Jan Vesely

fishercob · Post #1141 » by **fishercob** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:48 pm

For those of you on Twitter, you should give Lukas Kuba a follow. I think he's Czech and he monitors the Czech press coverage of Vesely for Truthaboutit.net.

He just tweeted:

Vlade Divac on Jan #Vesely: "When he gets the jump shot down, which is possible, he could be incredible. And become a perennial All-Star."

Jay81 · Post #1142 » by **Jay81** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:10 pm

We could say that for alot of guys.

Upper Decker · Post #1143 » by **Upper Decker** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:24 pm

The thing I don't understand about Vesely's jumper is that it looks great with his high release and his fluid motion, but it clangs off the top of the back board. He's never even close. It's not like Walls jumper where it completely needs to be reconstructed. I'm not holding my breath that either learns to consistently hit jump shots.

fishercob · Post #1144 » by **fishercob** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:25 pm

Jay81 wrote:We could say that for alot of guys.

Call me crazy, but I find Vlade's assessment of players more compelling than yours.

hands11 · Post #1145 » by **hands11** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:49 pm

Upper Decker wrote:The thing I don't understand about Vesely's jumper is that it looks great with his high release and his fluid motion, but it clangs off the top of the back board. He's never even close. It's not like Walls jumper where it completely needs to be reconstructed. I'm not holding my breath that either learns to consistently hit jump shots.

Balance and confidence.

It has done a world of good for KS.

Besides, even if he had a good shoot, he just isn't a shoot first kind of player. The fact that he is slashing to the hoop more is great because that is more in line with who I think he thinks he is. I dont see him taking more then 1-2 outside shots a game.

hands11 · Post #1146 » by **hands11** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:39 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320423027

Career high for Ves

8-8 Shooting 6 rebounds 4 assists 1 steal

16 pts

closg00 · Post #1147 » by **closg00** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:44 am

hands11 wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320423027

Career high for Ves

8-8 Shooting 6 rebounds 4 assists 1 steal

16 pts

Who hasn't gotten a career-high against the Cats this-year?

hands11 · Post #1148 » by **hands11** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:14 am

I don't know the answer to that one but I do know

Ves was 8-8. Dunk a ma funker

Rebounding.

Running.

Fastest outlet pass in the East.

Quick Draw McVes

dobrojim · Post #1149 » by **dobrojim** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:32 am

just one game but how about Ves' stats compared to the 2 guys CHA picked after
him who many here on this BB thought were much better players. I take Ves over
either Walker or Biyombo in a NY minute.

doclinkin · Post #1150 » by **doclinkin** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:48 am

dobrojim wrote:just one game but how about Ves' stats compared to the 2 guys CHA picked after him who
many here on this BB thought were much better players. I take Ves over either Walker or
Biyombo in a NY minute.

Guilty as charged and willing to take my lumps. One game isn't the determiner, and Bitchsmack still has time to develop that upside, but Ves has begun to thicken in a way I didn't foresee. And I did think Kemba would have a more positive effect on his team. 7 wins is shameful.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1151 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:50 am

BB has had a couple great moments against Dwight Howard.

However, that kid needs to get out of Charlotte before his career is ruined.

Ed Wood · Post #1152 » by **Ed Wood** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:59 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:BB has had a couple great moments against Dwight Howard.

However, that kid needs to get out of Charlotte before his career is ruined.

Lest we be too quick to cast aspersions a great many people say exactly the same about Wall and Washington.

And on the year Vesely and Biyombo have both been fairly ineffective, to a roughly comparable degree. Vesely is a better finisher (and probably is able to take easier shot attempts because in this case the Wizards are actually significantly better offensively than the other guys) and passer but Biyombo is a better rebounder.

That said Vesely has been significantly better recently and while what someone did last is not necessarily what he or she will do next we can hope that his awful start was largely a product of the major adjustment and the unusual schedule to begin the year. While I'd be thrilled if he could add a reliable jumper I'm not sure why that's taken for granted. He does work hard but hasn't he worked hard for the first twenty one years of his life? Why wouldn't he have already developed the ability to be a respectable foul shooter or hit open jumpers? But at this point there's nothing to be done but hope, and with his play style he is an easy guy to root for.

go'stags · Post #1153 » by **go'stags** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:57 am

I agree that is it far from likely that he develops a jumper to the point where it can be a regula part of an offense. That means he will have a time fitting in at PF as a starter. As a backup and pair with Seraphin he could work nicely.

I think his best bet is to get as big and strong as possible and become a Center. I had my doubts as to his ability to do so, but he does seem to have gotten stronger over the course of the season, which bodes well. If he can get his weight up I can easily see him becoming a guy like Varejao/Noah, An active and smart defender with great bball iq and instincts. He's a better athlete as well, probably even with some weight.

It remains to be seen nif he can put on the weight, but I think that is his best bet to live up to a high draft pick.

verbal8 · Post #1154 » by **verbal8** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:07 am

go'stags wrote:I think his best bet is to get as big and strong as possible and become a Center. I had my doubts as to his ability to do so, but he does seem to have gotten stronger over the course of the season, which bodes well. If he can get his weight up I can easily see him becoming a guy like Varejao/Noah, An active and smart defender with great bball iq and instincts. He's a better athlete as well, probably even with some weight.

He is looking a lot more like Noah or Tyson Chandler than AK47.

Post #1155 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:37 am

verbal8 wrote:
go'stags wrote:I think his best bet is to get as big and strong as possible and become a Center. I had my doubts as to his ability to do so, but he does seem to have gotten stronger over the course of the season, which bodes well. If he can get his weight up I can easily see him becoming a guy like Varejao/Noah, An active and smart defender with great bball iq and instincts. He's a better athlete as well, probably even with some weight.

He is looking a lot more like Noah or Tyson Chandler than AK47.

Yup, as Doc alluded to, his body has changed at the old decrepid age of 22. He went from el flaco to near Noah sized in a year. I was probably the biggest antiVese poster on the board, and I'm please to admit I was wrong with him and the other 22 year old big on the rooster - Seraphin. I don't know if the sky's the limit with those dos, but they're on the right paths - which is something new for young Wizards.

Post #1156 » by **nate33** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:00 pm

Agreed. I've been saying since early this year that Vesely must bulk up enough to play center if he is ever going to be a starting caliber player. He is on his way to doing just that.

leswizards · Post #1157 » by **leswizards** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:31 pm

Nivek wrote:Among rookies with at least 250 minutes this season, Vesely ranks 25th in Win Shares per 48 minutes -- 1 spot ahead of Chris Singleton (18th) pick and 2 spots ahead of Shelvin Mack. Value from Mack. woo hoo.

Vesely's Win Shares is up to 0.67. I am wondering where he ranks now amongst rookies. My guess is top 10.

leswizards · Post #1158 » by **leswizards** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:39 pm

Vesely is playing the way that many of the Blatche detractors said Blatche needed to play to be valueable. IE, Vesely has become offensively efficient while being low usage (albeit maybe to low usage because of his lack of a jump shot). Additionally, Vesely is effective defensively.

Maybe they are and I haven't seen it, or maybe they have other reasons for not doing it, but it seems to me the Blatche detractors should be singing the praises of Vesely.

Post #1159 » by **nate33** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:43 pm

leswizards wrote:
Nivek wrote:Among rookies with at least 250 minutes this season, Vesely ranks 25th in Win Shares per 48 minutes -- 1 spot ahead of Chris Singleton (18th) pick and 2 spots ahead of Shelvin Mack. Value from Mack. woo hoo.

Vesely's Win Shares is up to 0.67. I am wondering where he ranks now amongst rookies. My guess is top 10.

He ranks 20th out of 45 players, though the 250 minute cutoff allows a bunch of real low-minute guys to jump ahead of him.

If you raise the minutes cutoff to 600 total minutes played, he ranks 13th out of 27. And three of the guys ahead of him are ages 26, 26 and 27 respectively so they don't really count as rookies. Throw them out and Vesely ranks 10th out of the 24 youngish rookies who have played an average of roughly 10 minutes a game or more.

The pick is starting to look decent. At least it's pretty hard to classify it as a bust.

http://bkref.com/tiny/VKbvk

Nivek · Post #1160 » by **Nivek** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:44 pm

leswizards wrote:
Nivek wrote:Among rookies with at least 250 minutes this season, Vesely ranks 25th in Win Shares per 48 minutes -- 1 spot ahead of Chris Singleton (18th) pick and 2 spots ahead of Shelvin Mack. Value from Mack. woo hoo.

Vesely's Win Shares is up to 0.67. I am wondering where he ranks now amongst rookies. My guess is top 10.

Your guess would be wrong.

Among rookies with at least 250 total minutes this season, Vesely ranks 20th in Win Shares per 48 minutes; Singleton 26th. In total Win Shares, Singleton ranks 17th; Vesely 18th.