Terrence Ross

UnderdogKnicks · Post #1 » by **UnderdogKnicks** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:57 pm

I'm surprised most mock drafts have him around the middle of the 1st round to me him and Jeremy Lamb are the 2 best swingman prospects in this draft. He reminds me of JR Smith with the way he plays but I see him actually fulfilling his potential turning into an elite player or at least very good starter. This guy has it all hes very athletic, can shoot the ball kinda streaky though, decent ball handler + passer, and from wat I've seen his defense is pretty good.

IMO I would take him at the 5,6,7 spots at worst he will be JR Smith.

ManualRam · Post #2 » by **ManualRam** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:23 pm

i have him 8th on my big board.
yet another player who IMO gets discounted because of his team.
he's a very good athlete, good defender and he showed this yr that he can get his shot off in a number of different ways. he moves well off the ball too.

Gram · Post #3 » by **Gram** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:30 pm

He's sick. I love him. If my Pistons could swing a trade for a pick where he'd be around still, I'd be very happy.

vincecarter4pres · Post #4 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:24 pm

Nice call on the JR Smith comparison. Made that same one a few times, although I gave the disclaimer of JR Smith with a better BBIQ haha.

As much as I love Ross, he does have some jump shot chucker mentality to him though.

But yes, I feel the same way, I have him as the 2nd/3rd wing on my board, it depends on which way I'm flip flopping that day on MKG though.

If he can get his ball handling skills up a little and thus get into the paint and use his athleticism more, he'll actually start getting to the line at a respectable rate and then you're talking straight up star potential.

His all around game is super nice, he's probably the flat out most athletic wing in this draft, he's going to measure out at true legit NBA 2/3 height and length and he has the skill of a potential elite level shooter in all forms to hang his hat on.

Really, really underrated defender as well and gets out in transition like an animal.

Shown a lot of glimpses of great passing ability as well, don't let the assist numbers fool you. Although to be fair, if he remains a mediocre ball handler, it's tough to really exploit that aspect of one's game.

I wonder if he doesn't wind up the best wing out of the draft period in about 4 or 5 years?
I think that's a VERY legitimate possibility.

Superiorblogman · Post #5 » by **Superiorblogman** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:07 pm

I think he could be a good player at the next level, but how is he any better than James Anderson was for Oklohoma St? I think he is being overblown in your minds. People had a lot to say about Lamb and Drummond being on the same team and not having a better season, but look at Ross and Wroten ending up in the NIT. Something is wrong with that picture but I think the guy can be a good 4th or 5th option like a lot of this draft. He isn't special though.

vincecarter4pres · Post #6 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:20 pm

James Anderson? Nah I don't see it. Plus, Ross is an elite athlete. Again, I'd say best athlete out of all the wings in this draft and it's not even close.

And what does the NIT have to do with anything?

They were the worst snub of the NCAA's.

And Wroten is a low BBIQ ball dominator. He's super talented, but he couldn't hit the ocean with a Gatling Gun and he doesn't really make people around him better, if anything he makes the game that much harder for other talented players.

jmwp · Post #7 » by **jmwp** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:51 am

I see shannon brown.

Grits n Gravy · Post #8 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:02 pm

i've never seen him play but reading his scouting report of DX scares the **** out of me...sounds a lot like wes johnson

hcsilla · Post #9 » by **hcsilla** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:55 pm

Ross reminds me of Latrell Sprewell (late years). It wouldn't surprise me at all if he would be a lottery pick.

Post #10 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:49 pm

Question for those who have seen a lot of him - Why doesn't he get to the foul line more? To me, that's a red flag for a scoring guard's ability to be an efficient scorer in the NBA - unless you're a Ray Allenesque pure shooter.

sipclip · Post #11 » by **sipclip** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:40 pm

jmwp wrote:I see shannon brown.

You need your eyes checked. He is about 5 inches taller than Brown so that ends the conversation right there.

vincecarter4pres · Post #12 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:55 pm

Ruzious wrote:Question for those who have seen a lot of him - Why doesn't he get to the foul line more? To me, that's a red flag for a scoring guard's ability to be an efficient scorer in the NBA - unless you're a Ray Allenesque pure shooter.

A number of reasons...

Handle is pretty mediocre for a 2, about average for a 3.

Too in love with his jumper.

Tony Wroten dominates the living hell out of the ball and Gaddy is just a dreadful point guard, they missed him and pretty much everyone all the time on open cuts.

With the other players that were around him he just seemed feast or famine. Either he went into crazy aggressive takeover mode or he would try to get others involved too much and defer. The players and system Washington had almost promoted bad shot jacking, while simultaneously sharing the load. Too much iso, especially for a guy who was so good coming off screens and slashing who would just expend endless energy to be missed when open by whoever was ball pounding at the time.

Wroten improved over the year and started showing better vision and more off ball play himself towards the end, but again, Gaddy made my eyes bleed and for the better part of the year Wroten was just so dumb and tunnel visioned.

Superiorblogman · Post #13 » by **Superiorblogman** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:27 pm

Not getting the FT line is what keeps Joe Johnson from being a superstar rather than a star. I have only watched him a couple of times and honestly I am not impressed and honestly James Anderson did accomplish more in college, but he can still be a good rotation player and maybe even starter with the right team. I read on NBAdraft.net that his handles are shaky and he is mostly a one dribble pull up shooter. I have seen highlights of this guy catching 180 alley oops, but he can't dribble. Seems like he has the potential to leave a lot of potential on the table. Screams undeveloped.

vincecarter4pres · Post #14 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:27 pm

I don't see what James Anderson has to do with this.

He is not even close to the athlete Ross is, not as fluid, not as confident, not a player that was good in the flow of the offense, weaker handle, much slower 1st step, below average passer and playmaker plus court vision, mediocre defender at least as a projection to the next level.

I didn't see what the Spurs or really anyone saw in him to be quite honest.

He seemed like a player people just looked at his on paper stats and jumper and gushed over without taking into account the massive amount of serious shortcomings he had on the college level, let alone as potential for the next level.

I don't know that Ross will become a star, but I think if he bottoms out it's with a long career as a solid role player contenders love. In contract, James Anderson will be out of the league by the time his rookie deal is up IMHO.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #15 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:36 pm

College production isn't something that will make you or break you. Adam Morrison is living proof of that. I don't see how Ross is anything like james Andersen either. Ross is a better(streaky at times) shooter, a better athlete, passer, and plays better off the ball. I've always liked him, and Atlanta could do some damage with him.

Oh yeah, Wroten really hurt washington a lot this year. Despite Wroten's play, I still thought the Huskies were a lock for the tourney.. They got snubbed big time.

Superiorblogman · Post #16 » by **Superiorblogman** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:04 pm

People only see what they want to see. James Anderson had a 35.5 max vert leap. I don't see Ross getting much better than that. Even if he has a 37.5 inch max vert that is not substantial. You guys are talking about what your failing eyes see. James Anderson was a better scorer and shooter in college. Ross may be the better overall player but no-one is saying that Ross is going to earn his keeps with things other than scoring and shooting. This is just another case of how quickly they forget. It is not like James Anderson is a bum, if giving the chance he could contribute somewhere, don't try to knock him just to try and make Ross look better than what he has shown. I like facts you boys like fantasy.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compar ... rence-ross

vincecarter4pres · Post #17 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:26 am

James Anderson was not an elite athlete, he wasn't even really above average for a NBA wing.

Stop insulting people every post too, it's getting old. It's been old.

They are nothing alike.

Terrence Ross is an elite athlete who scores mainly off the ball in the flow of the offense. Anderson was more iso and ball dominant even with a terrible handle.

Ross is a very good defender at the college level with the laterals and likely the physical measures along with the basic BBIQ for that to translate as well. Anderson was not anything more then an average defender at best and it was obvious he wouldn't translate that well on that end.

Superiorblogman · Post #18 » by **Superiorblogman** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:42 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:James Anderson was not an elite athlete, he wasn't even really above average for a NBA wing.

Stop insulting people every post too, it's getting old. It's been old.

They are nothing alike.

Terrence Ross is an elite athlete who scores mainly off the ball in the flow of the offense. Anderson was more iso and ball dominant even with a terrible handle.

Ross is a very good defender at the college level with the laterals and likely the physical measures along with the basic BBIQ for that to translate as well. Anderson was not anything more then an average defender at best and it was obvious he wouldn't translate that well on that end.

Your opinion means nothing you are a nobody. I put forward stats which are the equivalent of facts. F your weak plea to stop being dominated by facts

Geaux_Hawks · Post #19 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:39 am

Superiorblogman wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:James Anderson was not an elite athlete, he wasn't even really above average for a NBA wing.

Stop insulting people every post too, it's getting old. It's been old.

They are nothing alike.

Terrence Ross is an elite athlete who scores mainly off the ball in the flow of the offense. Anderson was more iso and ball dominant even with a terrible handle.

Ross is a very good defender at the college level with the laterals and likely the physical measures along with the basic BBIQ for that to translate as well. Anderson was not anything more then an average defender at best and it was obvious he wouldn't translate that well on that end.

Your opinion means nothing you are a nobody. I put forward stats which are the equivalent of facts. F your weak plea to stop being dominated by facts

My gosh, what happened to Morrison then? Looking at his stats, dude should have been the next bird..

Superiorblogman · Post #20 » by **Superiorblogman** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:54 am

Geaux_Hawks wrote:
Superiorblogman wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:James Anderson was not an elite athlete, he wasn't even really above average for a NBA wing.

Stop insulting people every post too, it's getting old. It's been old.

They are nothing alike.

Terrence Ross is an elite athlete who scores mainly off the ball in the flow of the offense. Anderson was more iso and ball dominant even with a terrible handle.

Ross is a very good defender at the college level with the laterals and likely the physical measures along with the basic BBIQ for that to translate as well. Anderson was not anything more then an average defender at best and it was obvious he wouldn't translate that well on that end.

Your opinion means nothing you are a nobody. I put forward stats which are the equivalent of facts. F your weak plea to stop being dominated by facts

My gosh, what happened to Morrison then? Looking at his stats, dude should have been the next bird..

Whatever, give me a fact that points towards Ross being better than James Anderson at scoring or shooting? I just gave facts to support my claims that Anderson was a better shooter and scorer at this point. You boys get offended by facts because you want your unsubstantiated opinions to mean more than any unsubstantiated opinion should