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Re: Denver trade offer 

Post#21 » by AQuintus » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:38 am

youngthegiant wrote:what about this

Denver Trades: Danilo Gallinari, timofey mozgov

Minnesota trades: Derrick Williams, jazz 1st, wesley johnson


I'd be all over this for sure. We could then follow it up with something like:

DET Gets: Webster + Darko + Barea (or Ridnour)
MIN Gets: Prince + Gordon + protected future 1st

Rotation would be:

Pekovic / Mozgov
Love/ Gallinari
Gallinari/ Prince
Gordon/ Lee
Rubio/ Ridnour

The defense leaves a little something to be desired, but the offense (especially with Adelman's coaching) would be elite.
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Re: Denver trade offer 

Post#22 » by Krapinsky » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:45 am

Yikes, I'd never do that Gallo trade. Can't believe my peers on this one.
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Post#23 » by moss_is_1 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:49 am

Krapinsky wrote:Yikes, I'd never do that Gallo trade. Can't believe my peers on this one.

Whaaaa? I think that's a homerun deal. You should be right on board for it since you don't think Derrick will be a SF.
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Post#24 » by Devilzsidewalk » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:53 am

that gallo trade would be so fantastic. Only thing I dont like is the jokes "herpa derp they're all white, Ku Klux Kahn does it again"

actually thats kinda catchy, ku klux kahn. We'll have to figure out a way to say it without being racist, but once we get over that small hurdle its smooth sailing to the t-shirt factories
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Post#25 » by The J Rocka » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:57 am

Eh, I don't know. Gallo has had injury issues and his large contract will start kicking in next season. I would like to think Williams + Johnson is enough. I wouldn't throw in the Jazz pick.

I'd rather go after Batum or Gordon - (his durability is a red flag but he's a SG, damn good one when healthy), whether we have a legitimate shot or not.
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Re: Denver trade offer 

Post#26 » by Krapinsky » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:58 am

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Krapinsky wrote:Yikes, I'd never do that Gallo trade. Can't believe my peers on this one.

Whaaaa? I think that's a homerun deal. You should be right on board for it since you don't think Derrick will be a SF.


You guys are big time overrating Gallo. He's owed $42M over the next four years. Why give up all that to get a guy on a market value deal at best?
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Post#27 » by Devilzsidewalk » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:12 am

his numbers are kinda weak, i didnt know they were that weak.

What about sign batum, draft evan fournier and...(close your eyes) The French Connection
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Re: Denver trade offer 

Post#28 » by AQuintus » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:08 am

Krapinsky wrote:You guys are big time overrating Gallo. He's owed $42M over the next four years. Why give up all that to get a guy on a market value deal at best?


That's less than the max deal many here would give to Batum, and their numbers are nearly identical.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=batumni01&y1=2012&p2=gallida01&y2=2012

The biggest difference is that Gallinari is a better passer.

Also, according to http://mysynergysports.com/, Gallinari is .04 PPP worse on offense (1.03 vs 0.99) but 0.14 PPP better on defense (0.80 vs 0.94).
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Re: Denver trade offer 

Post#29 » by Krapinsky » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:13 am

AQuintus wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:You guys are big time overrating Gallo. He's owed $42M over the next four years. Why give up all that to get a guy on a market value deal at best?


That's less than the max deal many here would give to Batum, and their numbers are nearly identical.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=batumni01&y1=2012&p2=gallida01&y2=2012

The biggest difference is that Gallinari is a better passer.


I think he's comparable to where Batum is now, but I think Batum is the better defender and has a higher ceiling.

The biggest difference is your giving away are two best trade assets for Gallinari, whereas people (me included) are deliberately overpaying to try and snatch Batum.
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Re: Denver trade offer 

Post#30 » by Grits n Gravy » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:54 am

youngthegiant wrote:what about this

Denver Trades: Danilo Gallinari, timofey mozgov

Minnesota trades: Derrick Williams, jazz 1st, wesley johnson

that quite a good deal(gallo's one of my fav players) but i'd take it a little futher and try and go

DW, wes, jj, b-rad, martell and jazz 1st, memphis 1st, timberwolves unprotected 1st
rough guess makes that 23 million or so

for

gallo, afflalo, mozgov(leave mozgov if need be)
i'm guessing thats 24-25 million or so

ricky/luke
afflalo/ luke-malcolm-wayne
gallo/ MLE
klove/ ?
pek/ mozgov

the kkk...kahns krazy kids...whiter than sour cream
thats a contender right there.
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Re: Denver trade offer 

Post#31 » by Gideon » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:02 am

I feel like Batum is one of those guys who just doesn't seem to put in the effort half the time. One game he'll look like he should be All-NBA, and then the next game he'll have virtually zero impact. I understand why some people think he has great potential... he definitely shows flashes of brilliance. However, I think effort/attitude/drive issues are much more difficult to fix than basketball-related issues, and I have serious concerns about him in that regard.

Gallo's stats are deceiving IMO (i.e. he's better than the stats show)... Denver is so deep that the numbers and usage just get really spread around. My impression of Gallo is that he's improving steadily, good all-around skill-set, and very capable of being a strong 2nd option on a good team. I understand the arguments for Batum (and I used to be much higher on Batum before really watching some of his games this year and thinking he seemed very erratic and lackadaisical at times), but I would much rather have Gallo.

I've previously advocated keeping D-Will and giving him a real offseason and training camp and seeing if he can be our 3 next year... I still like that idea (and think people are mostly too down on him after a rookie year that wasn't that bad in a weird, short season), but if we actually could get Gallo for D-Will, I would probably pull the trigger.
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Re: Denver trade offer 

Post#32 » by black bart » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:06 am

Gideon wrote:I feel like Batum is one of those guys who just doesn't seem to put in the effort half the time. One game he'll look like he should be All-NBA, and then the next game he'll have virtually zero impact. I understand why some people think he has great potential... he definitely shows flashes of brilliance. However, I think effort/attitude/drive issues are much more difficult to fix than basketball-related issues, and I have serious concerns about him in that regard.

Gallo's stats are deceiving IMO (i.e. he's better than the stats show)... Denver is so deep that the numbers and usage just get really spread around. My impression of Gallo is that he's improving steadily, good all-around skill-set, and very capable of being a strong 2nd option on a good team. I understand the arguments for Batum (and I used to be much higher on Batum before really watching some of his games this year and thinking he seemed very erratic and lackadaisical at times), but I would much rather have Gallo.

I've previously advocated keeping D-Will and giving him a real offseason and training camp and seeing if he can be our 3 next year... I still like that idea (and think people are mostly too down on him after a rookie year that wasn't that bad in a weird, short season), but if we actually could get Gallo for D-Will, I would probably pull the trigger.

Gallo is a great defender (best on denver) but since the injury he has been worse. He was averaging 580 ts% I think before and would have been an all-star. Gallinari also has incredible potential and couold be a consistent 20+ point player.
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Re: Denver trade offer 

Post#33 » by moss_is_1 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:57 am

Devilzsidewalk wrote:his numbers are kinda weak, i didnt know they were that weak.

Hmm, his numbers have dipped a lot since his injuries piled up.

After the ASG he's 10.7 / 4 / 2.8 on 35 / 35 / 81...
Before he was 17 / 5/ 2.6 on 45 / 31 / 89
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Re: Denver trade offer 

Post#34 » by NewWolvesOrder » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:11 am

youngthegiant wrote:would you guys trade the jazz 1st for wilson chandler?


You'll have to take Darko and Wes with you back to Denver :lol:

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