The Kemba Walker Thread

Battery · Post #981 » by **Battery** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:33 am

You guys need to come up with some new material to fight about. This routine is getting stale. :-?

captaincrunk · Post #982 » by **captaincrunk** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:35 am

Battery wrote:You guys need to come up with some new material to fight about. This routine is getting stale.

YOU BE QUIET! DJ AUGUSTIIN IS A SAINT!

wait what?

SWedd523 · Post #983 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:44 am

KembaWalker wrote:lol seems like every point I made went right over your head

Crunk is a midget?

It. all. makes. sense.

SWedd523 · Post #984 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:46 am

Battery wrote:You guys need to come up with some new material to fight about. This routine is getting stale.

I say we bring LB back. If anybody can whip these boys into shape it's him.

Now we just have to wait a year or two for him to quit or be fired from his most recent job. I give it two years.

amcoolio · Post #985 » by **amcoolio** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:47 am

Sorry, but if you are playing with multiple superstars or being coached by a hall of famer you are going to be better than someone who spends the majority of their time with DJ White, Matt Carroll, Tyrus Thomas, and Biyombo, and Stephen Silas. Its common sense. Obviously Rubio is better than Kemba. But the Bobcats would still have 7 wins if you switched out the two before the season started.

KembaWalker · Post #986 » by **KembaWalker** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:47 am

captaincrunk wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:
captaincrunk wrote:No, you've said those "points" so many times over the last few months that I'm slowly becoming deaf to them. We get it, Kemba sucks less as a passer now than he did at the start of the season. He's still shooting absolutely terribly, he's still running down the clock with the ball in his hands, and he's still not getting to the line enough.

Excuses have never, ever won a game.

You're right, he just sucks and he'll most likely suck and be an inefficient chucker forever. We should just re-sign DJ to a long term contract his efficiency is nuts

How wonderfully constructive of you.

I'm not making any excuses for Kemba when other, less experienced rookies are doing better. You shouldn't either.

I'm not, he sucks. I wish we had traded up further and gone with Vesely and Knight.

Battery · Post #987 » by **Battery** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:49 am

captaincrunk wrote:
Battery wrote:You guys need to come up with some new material to fight about. This routine is getting stale.

YOU BE QUIET! DJ AUGUSTIIN IS A SAINT!

wait what?

The difference is that I didn't start killing DJ until after his second season. Right now you're going back and forth clobbering a player who we all knew would struggle before the season began. No big revelation here. You're just going around in circles and nothing will be settled until we see Kemba in year 2.

captaincrunk · Post #988 » by **captaincrunk** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:50 am

amcoolio wrote:Sorry, but if you are playing with multiple superstars or being coached by a hall of famer you are going to be better than someone who spends the majority of their time with DJ White, Matt Carroll, Tyrus Thomas, and Biyombo, and Stephen Silas. Its common sense. Obviously Rubio is better than Kemba. But the Bobcats would still have 7 wins if you switched out the two before the season started.

Rubio is playing with multiple superstars? Kyrie is playing with multiple superstars? Give me a break.

You put Rubio on this team, who knows what happens. But I bet you we'd have won more games. No way to test it so it's pointless but still.

KembaWalker wrote:I'm not, he sucks. I wish we had traded up further and gone with Vesely and Knight.

I don't like Knight much either, but Vesely could be interesting in a few years.

EDIT: And Stephen Silas did a great job with Curry and Monta over at Golden State.

SWedd523 · Post #989 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:50 am

amcoolio wrote:Sorry, but if you are playing with multiple superstars or being coached by a hall of famer you are going to be better than someone who spends the majority of their time with DJ White, Matt Carroll, Tyrus Thomas, and Biyombo, and Stephen Silas. Its common sense. Obviously Rubio is better than Kemba. But the Bobcats would still have 7 wins if you switched out the two before the season started.

Of course it is. But it still doesn't change the fact that he's been better than Kemba. It's not his fault he's in a better situation to succeed. No need to qualify it. Emeka had a better rookie season than Dwight, but that doesn't mean he's better, etc.

When naming the rookie teams, they don't go "But what if he played on X". They just name the best rookie seasons

captaincrunk · Post #990 » by **captaincrunk** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:50 am

Battery wrote:
captaincrunk wrote:
Battery wrote:You guys need to come up with some new material to fight about. This routine is getting stale.

YOU BE QUIET! DJ AUGUSTIIN IS A SAINT!

wait what?

The difference is that I didn't start killing DJ until after his second season. Right now you're going back and forth clobbering a player who we all knew would struggle before the season began. No big revelation here. You're just going around in circles and nothing will be settled until we see Kemba in year 2.

Circles are circles, in year one or in year 12.

Battery · Post #991 » by **Battery** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:53 am

SWedd523 wrote:
Battery wrote:You guys need to come up with some new material to fight about. This routine is getting stale.

I say we bring LB back. If anybody can whip these boys into shape it's him.

Now we just have to wait a year or two for him to quit or be fired from his most recent job. I give it two years.

Well I'm glad you agree that he did do a good job while he was here.

He really did. :nod:

SWedd523 · Post #992 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:55 am

captaincrunk wrote:Circles are circles, in year one or in year 12.

What about in years 2 through 11?

captaincrunk · Post #993 » by **captaincrunk** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:56 am

SWedd523 wrote:
captaincrunk wrote:Circles are circles, in year one or in year 12.

What about in years 2 through 11?

Then they are deceptively rounded squares.

Battery · Post #994 » by **Battery** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:56 am

captaincrunk wrote:
Battery wrote:

The difference is that I didn't start killing DJ until after his second season. Right now you're going back and forth clobbering a player who we all knew would struggle before the season began. No big revelation here. You're just going around in circles and nothing will be settled until we see Kemba in year 2.

Circles are circles, in year one or in year 12.

No. Your circles are not fair. I wouldn't expect you to know how to ride a bike as a one year old.

SWedd523 · Post #995 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:57 am

Battery wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:
Battery wrote:You guys need to come up with some new material to fight about. This routine is getting stale.

I say we bring LB back. If anybody can whip these boys into shape it's him.

Now we just have to wait a year or two for him to quit or be fired from his most recent job. I give it two years.

Well I'm glad you agree that he did do a good job while he was here.

He really did.

He did. I won't ever dispute that. He was fantastic for what we wanted and did everything in his power to achieve that goal (reach the playoffs).

It just so happened that the quickest way to get there took some deals that hamstrung the franchise for the short-to-medium term future. It was time for him to leave when he did. I thank him for making us a respectable team for at least a year or so

captaincrunk · Post #996 » by **captaincrunk** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:00 am

Battery wrote:
captaincrunk wrote:
Battery wrote:

The difference is that I didn't start killing DJ until after his second season. Right now you're going back and forth clobbering a player who we all knew would struggle before the season began. No big revelation here. You're just going around in circles and nothing will be settled until we see Kemba in year 2.

Circles are circles, in year one or in year 12.

No. Your circles are not fair. I wouldn't expect you to know how to ride a bike as a one year old.

Kemba wasn't exactly a one and done rookie. He's coming off a championship where he was an upperclassman leading his team. You have to expect more from him in terms of readiness than Kyrie, who didn't even play a full season. Instead, Kemba seems to be unable to do the thing he's supposed to be great at.

Until and unless he can score, it would require a complete change to his style of play for him to be even above average at this level. And at his height I don't have high hopes for him ever having > 9 APG. So he needs to score if he's going to justify Stun's/KembaWalker's obsession.

One thing about Kemba, he sure knows how to throw the ball in a motion towards the basket that is not to be confused with a pass.

amcoolio · Post #997 » by **amcoolio** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:00 am

SWedd523 wrote:
amcoolio wrote:Sorry, but if you are playing with multiple superstars or being coached by a hall of famer you are going to be better than someone who spends the majority of their time with DJ White, Matt Carroll, Tyrus Thomas, and Biyombo, and Stephen Silas. Its common sense. Obviously Rubio is better than Kemba. But the Bobcats would still have 7 wins if you switched out the two before the season started.

Of course it is. But it still doesn't change the fact that he's been better than Kemba. It's not his fault he's in a better situation to succeed. No need to qualify it. Emeka had a better rookie season than Dwight, but that doesn't mean he's better, etc.

When naming the rookie teams, they don't go "But what if he played on X". They just name the best rookie seasons

I get your point and I'm not saying Kemba had a better rookie season than blah or put him on the all rookie team. I'm saying you can't kill the guy for this season considering what he had to work with. The coaching staff has clearly quit on this team, probably even before the season began, so you can't blame Kemba for not knowing how to run an NBA offense when he has to learn by his god damned self. I sat courtside across from our coaches for the Hornets game and the Silases were completely silent, never stood up except for timeouts, and showed no emotion throughout the entire game. I was embarrassed because it was the total opposite on the Hornets bench. Its like they knew they were gone so whats the point?

Anyway, to blame Kemba for not carrying this team and not running the offense is a joke considering the situation. At least let him be coached first by a Rick Aldeman, a Byron Scott, or whatever.

SWedd523 · Post #998 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:06 am

I have never once blamed him or put any sort of "lead the team" expectations on his shoulders. I expected growing pains from an undersized shoot first PG without much range. A low FG% was to be expected as well. 12/4/4 is about right from him.

Having the worst FG% of all time is deserving of a good bit of derision though.

amcoolio · Post #999 » by **amcoolio** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:11 am

A lot of that has to do with our total lack of an NBA offense and the worst (if we have one) playbook in all of basketball. Everyone's percentages are down. We can all agree that a good chunk of Kemba's misses are end of the shot clock shots. He has shown he can hit open 3's this season

Battery · Post #1000 » by **Battery** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:15 am

captaincrunk wrote:
Battery wrote:
No. Your circles are not fair. I wouldn't expect you to know how to ride a bike as a one year old.

Kemba wasn't exactly a one and done rookie. He's coming off a championship where he was an upperclassman leading his team. You have to expect more from him in terms of readiness than Kyrie, who didn't even play a full season. Instead, Kemba seems to be unable to do the thing he's supposed to be great at.

Until and unless he can score, it would require a complete change to his style of play for him to be even above average at this level. And at his height I don't have high hopes for him ever having > 9 APG. So he needs to score if he's going to justify Stun's/KembaWalker's obsession.

One thing about Kemba, he sure knows how to throw the ball in a motion towards the basket that is not to be confused with a pass.

Again, no. Difference between Kyrie and Kemba is that Kyrie could have come into the NBA from high school and look good at running an NBA team. Why? Because he is a pure point who understands how to use his teammates to make him and everyone else better. Kemba's style is completely different as he's been more of a one man show his entire basketball life. Basically a two playing the point. He needs to develop point guard skills and understand how to use his teammates better. This is going to take time and a lot of practice, something he wasn't afforded because of the lockout.

I'm not saying Kemba will ever "get it," but at least give the guy a chance to work with NBA coaches for a full summer and also get into NBA shape. When Kyrie got hurt last season all he could do was run on the treadmill so it helped build up his stamina. Also, he didn't get beat up last season and had a chance to rest his body while Kemba played a lot of ball and probably rested over the summer. Kyrie probably played a ton of ball during the lockout because he was more fresh and itching to get back onto the court.

But they are both completely different players right now and to be effective in the NBA at the point, you need to involve your teammates. Kyrie understands this, Kemba does not. He will learn, but he needs practice. If he doesn't get it then he will be gone, but at least give the guy a chance to work on being an NBA point guard.