2012 draft thread.

[Concept Coop]

I don't see anyone outside of the top 5 that'll help more than Marshall. What players from 8 and out provide enough upside to pass on a prototypical pass first PG?

If Marshall had a jumpshot, I would be right there with you. Actually, the Jazz wouldn't have a shot at him if he had a jumper.

As far as other options, I like Rivers more. Obviously Beal and Harrison, but there is little chance they fall. I like Lamb more. I am not a Perry Jones fan - I don't know that he has the drive to be great -but I would strongly consider him over Marshall. Jones' talent isn't a question the way Marshall's is.

There isn't much I wouldn't trade to move into the top 5 for Beal. He was my pick before the hype, when it looked like he could realistically last until #8. He comes across as a winner, he can do everything, he is smart, and he legitimately has the tools to be top 3 at his position. Aside from Davis, I wouldn't make that claim about anyone else in this class.

[QuantumMacgyver]

Is Marshall going to be able to get his teammates open looks though? He was a terrible shooter at UNC and couldn't finish at the rim so he wasn't really guarded and that can lead to other guys getting doubled frequently in the half-court.

His 10 assists a game would say yes.

[Concept Coop]

Is Marshall going to be able to get his teammates open looks though? He was a terrible shooter at UNC and couldn't finish at the rim so he wasn't really guarded and that can lead to other guys getting doubled frequently in the half-court.

His 10 assists a game would say yes.

I don't thnk it's that simple.

As JF12 suggested, what happens when teams can sag off of Marshall, the way they do Rondo? Rondo can do enough to overcome that. Will Marshall be able to? I question that. He is not the athlete that Rondo is - he is not a threat to take you off the dribble, or punish you from the outside. I'm not saying it's impossible, or that I can't be wrong. I just see the ways in which PGs are successful in the NBA, and Marshall doesn't fit the mold. I see Jose Calderon.

Do you have a more productive comparison?

[QuantumMacgyver]

Seems similar to Jason Kidd. Non-athletic, poor shooter, great court vision and passing skills. I'd take that.

[Jazzfan12]

Seems similar to Jason Kidd. Non-athletic, poor shooter, great court vision and passing skills. I'd take that.

Jason Kidd was an all-time great defender and rebounder who was super strong and pretty athletic though.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

If we do indeed end up with Warriors pick at #8, we are going to be in no man's land. Better hope someone drops or we'd be better suited trading down a couple picks.

[babyjax13]

I wouldn't say Jason Kidd, maybe a shorter Andre Miller.

[phrizzo]

Marshall is hands down the best passer in the draft. Court vision and quality passing instincts are two things you can't teach. Worst case scenario, Marshall will always be a great passer. Worst case scenario for a pure scorer, CJ Miles 2.0. At least if Marshall doesn't improve his shot, he'll always bring something to the table. Too many scorers come and go through the NBA. Great passers always find a team because they are a rarity, whereas scorers are a dime a dozen.

Jared Jordan

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

I really do see the Mark Jackson comparison for Marshall.

You can decide for yourselves if that's a good thing or not.

[Concept Coop]

If we do indeed end up with Warriors pick at #8, we are going to be in no man's land. Better hope someone drops or we'd be better suited trading down a couple picks.

Only if you don't like Rivers.

He is a taller, longer, bigger version of Steph Curry.

Granted, I would love for the Jazz to trade up for the safer options, in Beal and Barnes.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

If we do indeed end up with Warriors pick at #8, we are going to be in no man's land. Better hope someone drops or we'd be better suited trading down a couple picks.

Only if you don't like Rivers.

He is a taller, longer, bigger version of Steph Curry.

Granted, I would love for the Jazz to trade up for the safer options, in Beal and Barnes.

I like Rivers, Marshall, Lillard, Jones, Lamb, etc.... but they're all projected to go in the 10-15 range. The #8 spot is more in the range of the big guys like Zeller, Henson, PJ3, etc... I just wonder if we could get more value out of the pick by trading down a few spots, or we could look to move up into the 4, 5, 6 range. The pick is just in a weird spot for the Jazz considering they don't need/want the players in the #8 range. Given, you can always take a guy like Rivers early and not bother with trying to move down, but it's not good value if there is a "moving down" option of value.

[countrybama24]

Marshall couldn't defend ACC point guards, he'll be a sieve on defense. Rubio is still an offensive liability because he can't shoot, the only reason he's productive statistically is he plays really good defense. Marshall doesn't have nearly the same athleticism. I would be infuriated by this pick, the jazz have to prioritize defense for once. There are no point guards in the NBA averaging more than 6.5-7 dimes who hack the same lack of quickness / first step as marshall as well, and he racked up easy transition dimes which while valuable, won't help us in the half court where we really need someone who can create off the dribble.

I'd rather see us trade a player and the pick to move up than down, but I trust the front office (unless it's a no defense guard). I'd honestly just rather take best player available. This isn't a point guard draft, we shouldnt force the issue and ignore all the wing talent when we still need help on the wing. The biggest reason I wanted to keep out pick for example was to draft someone like Quincy Miller in the late lotto.