Sale Confirmed: The Michael Jordan Thread

e4Nf6 · Post #61 » by **e4Nf6** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:42 am

I guess LB and Vincent realized they were never working in the NBA again and they might as well sling some mud at MJ.

Post #62 » by **fatlever** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:09 am

bonnell back for more on the MJ brown story and he's not holding back this time

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_n ... venge.html

If you want to conclude Rod Higgins is a paper-pusher whose job security hinges on being a Friend-of-Mike, I won’t waste breath debating you (though I think that defines over-simplification).

Here’s what trumps all that: Larry Brown turned Jordan and Higgins into victims on national radio Wednesday. It was shabby and silly and petty.

Here’s what I saw: Rod Higgins (who I’ve had more than a few battles with) put up graciously with hundreds of hours of all the garbage that comes with being Larry’s personnel guy.

He has a savant quality when it comes to basketball, but he’s loopy; overreacts to whatever he last saw.

He wants to make trades that would work for five minutes and cost the franchise five years.

As much as LB professes “play the right way’’ (and he believes that), he’s also manipulative and fickle and vindictive.

Gerald Wallace and Stephen Jackson were true believers, and then the day before the start of training camp two years ago Larry told them the front office had sold everyone out and they’d be terrible.

So three months later it was evident the Bobcats stopped believing in the guy who stopped believing in them

But what Brown did on radio and what Sam Vincent did in the Washington Post is so self-serving, so childish, that it reflects far more on them than Jordan or anyone who works for the Bobcats.

Rip them for what they deserve. Don’t exploit bad times to settle old grudges. It’s tacky.

well done bonnell, well done. that needed to be said and you said it perfectly. thank you. larry is a childish, vindictive brat. we didnt need larry to tell us higgins was clueless. that was a given many years ago.

Battery · Post #63 » by **Battery** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:27 am

fatlever wrote:
as for larry's comments, i though bonnell did a good job of painting both sides, higgins might be clueless, but LB was impossible to deal with.

LB was "impossible" to deal with because he had a GM that nobody respected. The GM is supposed to get feedback from the coach on the team (as well as our scouts) and use that to make a final decision. The problem is Higgins was wishy-washy and like you said, he didn't have clue. That's when a coach would get frustrated.

If we had a GM who believed in what he was saying and spoke confidently about the teams plans, then LB would have no choice but to go along with the plan. Basically the front office was "winging it." So when your front office doesn't have a clue, then you would expect a forceful personality like LB to step in and discuss personnel moves. But if our GM was strong and had a plan, LB would not have been able to dictate anything. Blame MJ, not LB. Bad organizations come from the top.

What MJ needs to do is deal with the business side of the team and let Cho run the basketball side. LB was never the problem, it was always MJ. Hopefully he's learned from his mistakes.

captaincrunk · Post #64 » by **captaincrunk** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:30 am

Battery wrote:LB was never the problem, it was always MJ.

these kinds of statements almost never turn out to be true

Battery · Post #65 » by **Battery** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:36 am

captaincrunk wrote:
Battery wrote:LB was never the problem, it was always MJ.

these kinds of statements almost never turn out to be true

Alright, what did LB do while he was here that made him the problem?

captaincrunk · Post #66 » by **captaincrunk** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:43 am

Battery wrote:
captaincrunk wrote:
Battery wrote:LB was never the problem, it was always MJ.

these kinds of statements almost never turn out to be true

Alright, what did LB do while he was here that made him the problem?

Well what I mean by that is that when one side adamantly claims one thing and the other adamantly claims the opposite, neither is usually right given that both sides of the debate are taken by intelligent people. The answer is almost surely to be found somewhere in the middle.

Snidely FC · Post #67 » by **Snidely FC** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:50 am

“This was going to be a trying year – we knew that,” Jordan said. “But did we want to chase the most Ping-Pong balls? No way.”

I just wish Jordan hadn't included this statement in his rebuttal, because it's disingenuous. This mgmt team resisted any opportunities to add new and different players in order to improve the team''s future. It tolerated ticky tack injuries that sidelined players for inordinate amounts of time. It allowed the coach's son to practice driving the team, not for one game but multiple times. What professional sports team does that? It even refused opportunities to add players that may not have improved the team's chance of winning but at least would have given its fans something interesting to watch. Jordan deserves all the grief being heaped on him right now.

Post #68 » by **fatlever** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:16 pm

http://scottfowlerobs.blogspot.com/2012 ... -more.html

Liver_Pooty · Post #69 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:26 pm

Win the lottery on May 30, and no one will even care about how bad we were this season, and everyone including Jordan will look like a genius (even if it was luck)

countryboi · Post #70 » by **countryboi** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:33 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Win the lottery on May 30, and no one will even care about how bad we were this season, and everyone including Jordan will look like a genius (even if it was luck)

This....MJ just gambled the whole season away for a 25 percent chance at Davis....i would rather be the Wiz right now at least they are playing better

KembaWalker · Post #71 » by **KembaWalker** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:01 pm

countryboi wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Win the lottery on May 30, and no one will even care about how bad we were this season, and everyone including Jordan will look like a genius (even if it was luck)

This....MJ just gambled the whole season away for a 25 percent chance at Davis....i would rather be the Wiz right now at least they are playing better

Wiz already got their 1st overall pick....what would you rather we have done? Kept butthurt Wallace or Jackson?

Eoghan · Post #72 » by **Eoghan** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:18 pm

countryboi wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Win the lottery on May 30, and no one will even care about how bad we were this season, and everyone including Jordan will look like a genius (even if it was luck)

This....MJ just gambled the whole season away for a 25 percent chance at Davis....i would rather be the Wiz right now at least they are playing better

The Wiz have been gambling away for a decade, I almost guarantee you that we will make the playoffs before they do.

Kembastockton · Post #73 » by **Kembastockton** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:54 pm

BrotherDave wrote:
countryboi wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Win the lottery on May 30, and no one will even care about how bad we were this season, and everyone including Jordan will look like a genius (even if it was luck)

This....MJ just gambled the whole season away for a 25 percent chance at Davis....i would rather be the Wiz right now at least they are playing better

The Wiz have been gambling away for a decade, I almost guarantee you that we will make the playoffs before they do.

It wasn't that long ago that the Clipps were the unanimous choice for worst nba franchise in history, and maybe the worst in sports. All that is forgotten, because of the selection of one young man out of Oklahoma.

SWedd523 · Post #74 » by **SWedd523** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:03 pm

countryboi wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Win the lottery on May 30, and no one will even care about how bad we were this season, and everyone including Jordan will look like a genius (even if it was luck)

This....MJ just gambled the whole season away for a 25 percent chance at Davis....i would rather be the Wiz right now at least they are playing better

And how long have the Wizards been gambling away their season(s)?

Battery · Post #75 » by **Battery** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:28 pm

captaincrunk wrote:
Battery wrote:
Alright, what did LB do while he was here that made him the problem?

Well what I mean by that is that when one side adamantly claims one thing and the other adamantly claims the opposite, neither is usually right given that both sides of the debate are taken by intelligent people. The answer is almost surely to be found somewhere in the middle.

You were 100% sure that the #1 seed can choose their opponent.

The answer is never in the middle. That's just cutesy talk to make college professors sound intelligent after they babble on and debate for hours and then come to an agreement that everyone is right. Makes them feel good inside.

Just because they might be educated doesn't mean they're intelligent.

captaincrunk · Post #76 » by **captaincrunk** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:07 pm

Battery wrote:
captaincrunk wrote:
Battery wrote:
Alright, what did LB do while he was here that made him the problem?

Well what I mean by that is that when one side adamantly claims one thing and the other adamantly claims the opposite, neither is usually right given that both sides of the debate are taken by intelligent people. The answer is almost surely to be found somewhere in the middle.

You were 100% sure that the #1 seed can choose their opponent.

I never said I was 100% sure, and that's not the kind of thing that can fall in the middle.

Battery wrote:The answer is never in the middle. That's just cutesy talk to make college professors sound intelligent after they babble on and debate for hours and then come to an agreement that everyone is right. Makes them feel good inside.

Just because they might be educated doesn't mean they're intelligent.

Oh stuff it, you pseudointellectual.

Liver_Pooty · Post #77 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:45 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/78580 ... onally-bad

Good read by Scoop Jackson

Battery · Post #78 » by **Battery** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:51 am

captaincrunk wrote:Oh stuff it, you pseudointellectual.

and you still didn't answer the question. :-?

Eoghan · Post #79 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:38 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7858040/charlotte-bobcats-intentionally-bad

Good read by Scoop Jackson

Great article, cheers for that.

countryboi · Post #80 » by **countryboi** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:55 am

SWedd523 wrote:
countryboi wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Win the lottery on May 30, and no one will even care about how bad we were this season, and everyone including Jordan will look like a genius (even if it was luck)

This....MJ just gambled the whole season away for a 25 percent chance at Davis....i would rather be the Wiz right now at least they are playing better

And how long have the Wizards been gambling away their season(s)?

I am not talking about yesterdays wiz i am talking about them right now...they are playing decent ball, they are watchable, they are trying to win games but are still bad enough to have the second worse record by comparison it looks like the coaches, management and the players on the bobcats mailed it in weeks ago