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Post#81 » by Devilzsidewalk » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:45 pm

lets pretend we have 14 mil to spend on free agents and throw out some rough #s:

Batum 12
Dragic 9
Mayo 8
Ray Allen 8
C Lee 7
Nick Young 6
Lou Williams 6
Beasley 6
Crawford 5
Jeff Green 5
Gerald Green 5
Hinrich 5
B Rush 5
S Young 4
Novak 4
M Barnes 4
R Fernandez 4
Delfino 4
McGrady 4
Belinelli 4
Josh Howard 3
Delonte West 3
Barbosa 3
Stevenson 3

those top 5 or so guys are going to get lots of competition and is it worth overpaying to get them? Since our team sucks and is undesirable, the realistic options are probably going to be in going after that mid-tier. As boring as Crawford is, he's probably a likely target for scoring since Gordon and Batum are going to be too risky and hard to get anyways
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Post#82 » by Klomp » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:09 pm

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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#83 » by AQuintus » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:18 pm

Krapinsky wrote:Why is Phili going to trade us Iggy for peanuts again?


He's owed a ton of money, and they're barely a playoff team in the weak conference with him.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#84 » by thinktank » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:54 pm

Didn't Camby just say he wants to re-sign in Houston?

I doubt Portland would do a S&T with Batum for Williams. At this stage, Batum is just plain better. You can tell that Batum can shoulder more workload. Williams is still trying to figure out what works.

My deals by priority.

1.) Offer Gordon the max.
2.) Try to trade for Iggy.
3.) Try to trade for Martin.
4.) Try to sign Rush.
5.) Try to sign Lou Williams.
6.) Try to sign Gerald Green.

Outside of Gordon and Iggy, I don't think there are big enough difference makers to warrant big spending. The rest of the guys I listed are much better than our current wings and should be gettable for decent prices. Martin is sort of the in-between value on this list. If you can trade garbage for Martin (and Gordon and Iggy aren't available) I would pay that contract. My moves do not address the center position directly. Would need to somehow account for a backup center within the trades or otherwise.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#85 » by djgylend » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:23 pm

Well I hope that Adelman has a significant say so in personnel moves, but I'm not sure that has been the case in his other coaching stints. At least in Sacramento Geoff Petrie was the guy responsible for putting together that dynamic and deep roster, especially the Williams for Bibby trade that really put that team over the top. I suspect, as the article seems to suggest, that Adelman has identified areas of weakness on the team and then it is up to Kahn to address those areas.



Krapinsky wrote:I have a feeling it's going to be Tyreke. Kahn has a history of getting the guys he's been rumored to covet. We'll make a play for Tyreke and try to sign Batum.

Wes + 16 + Webster for Tyreke + Hayes.

Williams + Miller for Batum in a S&T?


Would absolutely love this move, we need a guy who can slash and create and Evans when he's on can get to the rack at will.
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Post#86 » by Narf » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:35 pm

thinktank wrote:Didn't Camby just say he wants to re-sign in Houston?

I think Camby is just a smart guy who knows how to market himself to up his salary.
Camby wants a 3 year $30 mil deal to resign in Houston, and is telling the media he wants to stay to add pressure to up his contract :)
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Post#87 » by AQuintus » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:49 pm

Narf wrote:I think Camby is just a smart guy who knows how to market himself to up his salary.
Camby wants a 3 year $30 mil deal to resign in Houston, and is telling the media he wants to stay to add pressure to up his contract :)


If he really wants that much, then we can probably cross him off the list of free agent targets. I'd probably offer him half of that (3 years, 15 million).
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Post#88 » by thinktank » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:08 pm

nhh90 wrote:Well it is time to overpay one player for 4 years since rubio and love contract will be up at the same time. There isn't any danger in overpaying a player. This team should be a playoff (top 5 in the west) team next year.


I think this sums up my perspective, too. Even with Rubio and Love, we're still a small market team on the verge of the playoffs. To get someone good we have to overpay. And for us, overpaying isn't really overpaying--it's just our reality. Whether that means offering Gordon max money or trading for Iggy or Martin, it's time we got some vet talent in here.
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Post#89 » by Klomp » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:10 pm

I don't remember which station I was watching this weekend, but one of the points brought up is that Kevin Love is the kind of guy who will lobby for guys to come play in Minnesota, which is something they said Garnett never really did.
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Post#90 » by The J Rocka » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:18 pm

Klomp wrote:I don't remember which station I was watching this weekend, but one of the points brought up is that Kevin Love is the kind of guy who will lobby for guys to come play in Minnesota, which is something they said Garnett never really did.

Did KG help recruit Billups? Not sure. I only remember him recruiting Iverson.
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Post#91 » by shangrila » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:28 pm

Does staring into a camera and screaming "COME HERE!" count as recruiting?
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Post#92 » by Narf » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:32 pm

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Klomp wrote:I don't remember which station I was watching this weekend, but one of the points brought up is that Kevin Love is the kind of guy who will lobby for guys to come play in Minnesota, which is something they said Garnett never really did.

Did KG help recruit Billups? Not sure. I only remember him recruiting Iverson.
And Jason Kidd, who said he'd love to play with KG publicly when there was a ton of trade talks going on.

And even though we wish he hadn't, KG recruited Mike James because management wanted him.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#93 » by black bart » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:54 pm

What could kevin love possibly say to recruit someone. He is 4 years in the league on a bad team. It would be smart if a player considers Minnesota (they have either the best or second best frontcourt), but nba players are dumb. It is that their wings are the worst in the league. Anything average would be better than ridnour and wesley johnson. One should be a shooting point guard and the other just sucks. They have a tons of money and trade value (ridnour + williams) that they easily could eat up a risky contract like 4 for 42 for batum, and be able to sign both pekovic love and rubio 4 years later. They are in an incredibly fortunate situation to improve and have some trade assets for teams that want to rebuild.
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Post#94 » by lazfa199 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:09 pm

Kevin Love's plan:
-suggesting a trade of rubio and pekovic for westbrook
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Post#95 » by Klomp » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:18 pm

nhh90 wrote:What could kevin love possibly say to recruit someone.

Come play with Ricky Rubio and for a Hall of Fame Coach.

Seriously, the thing I love about Kevin is how he's embraced the city and this fan base. It's more than just talk for him. So many people are skeptical when they hear about Minnesota, but once they get here, many times they are sold. Kevin has shown that you can get endorsements in MN (Jenga, Right Guard, etc)

Garnett may have said to management that he wants certain players to come to Minnesota, but I don't think he ever was active in selling his peers on what Minnesota has to offer.

nhh90 wrote:Anything average would be better than ridnour and wesley johnson. One should be a shooting point guard and the other just sucks. They have a tons of money and trade value (ridnour + williams) that they easily could eat up a risky contract like 4 for 42 for batum, and be able to sign both pekovic love and rubio 4 years later. They are in an incredibly fortunate situation to improve and have some trade assets for teams that want to rebuild.


Is Luke below average or a guy with tons of trade value? Make up your mind.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#96 » by black bart » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:26 pm

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nhh90 wrote:What could kevin love possibly say to recruit someone.

Come play with Ricky Rubio and for a Hall of Fame Coach.

Seriously, the thing I love about Kevin is how he's embraced the city and this fan base. It's more than just talk for him. So many people are skeptical when they hear about Minnesota, but once they get here, many times they are sold. Kevin has shown that you can get endorsements in MN (Jenga, Right Guard, etc)

Garnett may have said to management that he wants certain players to come to Minnesota, but I don't think he ever was active in selling his peers on what Minnesota has to offer.

nhh90 wrote:Anything average would be better than ridnour and wesley johnson. One should be a shooting point guard and the other just sucks. They have a tons of money and trade value (ridnour + williams) that they easily could eat up a risky contract like 4 for 42 for batum, and be able to sign both pekovic love and rubio 4 years later. They are in an incredibly fortunate situation to improve and have some trade assets for teams that want to rebuild.


Is Luke below average or a guy with tons of trade value? Make up your mind.
Luke Ridnour is a player that would fit in a team that isn't primarily runned by a point guard. A team with a strong shooting guard. He is a great shooter but he cannot play shooting guard. He is pushing rubio to guard SG and was playing the likes of Kobe Bryant defensively. He is too short to play shooting guard and is a liability defensively.
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Post#97 » by Klomp » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:34 pm

nhh90 wrote:Luke Ridnour is a player that would fit in a team that isn't primarily runned by a point guard. A team with a strong shooting guard. He is a great shooter but he cannot play shooting guard. He is pushing rubio to guard SG and was playing the likes of Kobe Bryant defensively. He is too short to play shooting guard and is a liability defensively.

Rubio was usually matched up on the other team's point guard. Wes guarded Kobe, while Luke had Metta Elbows.
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Post#98 » by collin_k41 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:45 pm

Klomp wrote:Garnett may have said to management that he wants certain players to come to Minnesota, but I don't think he ever was active in selling his peers on what Minnesota has to offer.


Well, not to bring up bad memories, but I specifically remember Garnett personally convincing Mike James to sign here.
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Post#99 » by eyeteeth » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:56 pm

I just realized that the Wolves could get Gerald Wallace and Jamal Crawford via free agency and draft Austin Rivers with the Utah pick. :D
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Post#100 » by theGreatRC » Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:01 am

eyeteeth wrote:I just realized that the Wolves could get Gerald Wallace and Jamal Crawford via free agency and draft Austin Rivers with the Utah pick. :D


I just realized that too and it scares me.

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