Wile E. Coyote wrote:I saw Jordan play back in the day. I know how good he was. But he did not win any of those titles himself. It was not one on five vs the Pistons to get over the hump. He had to wait until Pippen got over his migraines or whatever and man up. The Bulls were a well-coached and well-rounded team with veteran leadership.
He's the best that ever played, but there's not some huge gulf between him and the others that you seem to think there is.
Yeap. I mentioned in another thread that Jordan probably wouldn't have been Jordan if it weren't for Phil, but we won't know.
And you're right about Pippen, but I don't think pip becomes as good as pip becomes without MJ pushing him every step of the way and getting the most out of him. That's what made him so good, he demanded the absolute best out of his teammates.
MJ didn't do it alone, but he was the unquestionable leader of his teams. Bar none. End of story.
With kobe's first 3 championships, Shaq was also pretty much in his prime, and he's arguably the game's most dominant center. Ever. He's the leader of those first 3 championships, not Kobe.
So you've got kobe getting 2 championships as the unquestionable leader. Again, the titles themselves dont say who was better or what, but its one aspect that you look at in the totality of things.
Jordan could have had another 2 or 3 if that's all that was important to him in life, but he wanted to explore himself as a human being so he retired multiple times. His count easily could have been 8 or 9 titles. Kobe lives and breathes getting more titles than MJ, you would NEVER see him leave the game because it's too easy for him.
at your avatar. Is that Harden after the game on Sunday? 
