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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#41 » by Dat2U » Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:50 am

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GhostsOfGil wrote:Wall beasting again! Wall absolutely dominates without having to share the ball with JC. It's like a night and day difference.


It isnt Crawford.

Give it a break.

Its the team. Its Nene. Its Ves playing a lot better. I Wall adjusting to KS and Nene. It's Singleton playing better. Its them playing against easier line ups. Its a total package.

Get off the Crawfords nuts. They can upgrade or add to what Crawford does but Wall playing better is because Wall is playing better and the team is playing better. They did that with Crawford and Nene also.


Did you forget how Wall was playing with Crawford before Crawford got hurt? Yes, this was AFTER the Nene trade. Sorry it doesn't fit your little perfect narrative but when watching those two play together it's clear that Crawford tends to dominate the action too much and turns Wall into a spectator.

Crawford's good games were fools gold to me. He's a cross b/w Juan Dixon & Mike James. He's a shot-jacking, team killing, bricklaying specialist. He's a tease that may shoot you to victory one night, and shoot you out of the game the next 3 or 4 times.
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#42 » by hands11 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:54 am

What about your perfect narrative that you keep ending up wrong about while I keep ending up right.

Enjoy the wins and stop whining.

Crawford clearly have some improving to do. Mostly on his set form but Wall struggles where not because of Crawford alone. He needed to adjust to KS and Nene.

Crawford is also the one who keeps feeding Wall those nice ally opp passes. Wall doesn't seem to have an issue with Crawford. Wall is simply getting better.
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#43 » by dangermouse » Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:59 am

Wall on track for 20+ assists.
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#44 » by dangermouse » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:00 am

Its kind of hard to get excited though with the big 3 sitting out again...
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#45 » by hands11 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:00 am

Ves has gotten so much better throughout the year. He has really gained confidence.
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#46 » by hands11 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:01 am

dangermouse wrote:Its kind of hard to get excited though with the big 3 sitting out again...


Yeah. They punked out. But if they are going to sit them, then they should get blow out by a good team. And that is what the Wizards are doing.
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#47 » by Halcyon » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:02 am

Oh DAYUMN DAT OOP
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#48 » by hands11 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:03 am

Like I said, I think Mr Wall likes Mr Vesely.
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#49 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:05 am

Almond probably won't make the team. John Wall chose to take that spinning shot at the Buzzer when Mo was wide open. Means he's not confident in Mo.

Reputation goes down the drain, but more than that, I'm sad for the player. :(

He needs to show what got him 50 in the D-League. He's had good games on a lot less shots in D-League recently, and I KNOW he's better than this. Unfortunately, this might be his last half in the NBA.
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#50 » by dlts20 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:05 am

The SG's Have Sucked The Last 2 Games, But.........


this is what Ive been talkin about. We played 2 very bad teams in the Cavs and the Heat without the big 3 but I was so happy when I saw last game that Martin was starting. I dont ever wish an injury on JC and I could care less about Martin but I wanted to see our team and Wall espically without JC on the floor.

The chucker, the ball stopper, and the ball dominator who takes the ball out of Wall's hands. Sure enough Wall looks like a stud and our O looks alot better. I dont want JC on this team at all, let alone starting. Ive been saying it. I just think he hurts way more than helps. Maybe a 6th man but I honestly wouldnt even want him for that. We should trade him
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#51 » by GhostsOfGil » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:07 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Almond probably won't make the team. John Wall chose that spinning shot. Means he's not confident in Mo.

Reputation goes down the drain, but more than that, I'm sad for the player. :(

He needs to show what got him 50 in the D-League. He's had good games on a lot less shots in D-League recently, and I KNOW he's better than this. Unfortunately, this might be his last half in the NBA.


I figured he'll probably get an invite to training camp next season, the way Cartier did a few years ago.
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#52 » by hands11 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:08 am

Assist. Wiz 18 MIA 4

Wiz 57% shooting MIA 31%

Rebounds Wiz 25 MIA 15

That is not winning. That is dominating. So you want to sit your top 3 players ? We are going to run you off the court. Doesn't real mean much to MIA. They know there is is mostly about those three players but the Wiz are not letting up. That is good for the Wiz. They are learning. Never let up. Something they used to do all the time. They would play down to the competition. Doesn't look like they are doing that.
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#53 » by GhostsOfGil » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:09 am

dlts20 wrote:The chucker, the ball stopper, and the ball dominator who takes the ball out of Wall's hands. Sure enough Wall looks like a stud and our O looks alot better. I dont want JC on this team at all, let alone starting. Ive been saying it. I just think he hurts way more than helps. Maybe a 6th man but I honestly wouldnt even want him for that. We should trade him


Ya, Hands gotta say I disagree with you.

Crawford just isnt a good player to pair with anyone let alone Wall. He shoots at a ridiculous rate while being one of the most inefficient players... EVER. According to basketball reference there has never been anyone who shoots over 3.7 threes per game while shooting under 29% (25 minutes or more). He's inefficient but isn't smart enough to stop shooting.

But more importantly, he has a ridiculously high usage rage (higher than wall's) which means more often than not, Crawford is handling the ball while Wall stands there.
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#54 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:18 am

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Almond probably won't make the team. John Wall chose that spinning shot. Means he's not confident in Mo.

Reputation goes down the drain, but more than that, I'm sad for the player. :(

He needs to show what got him 50 in the D-League. He's had good games on a lot less shots in D-League recently, and I KNOW he's better than this. Unfortunately, this might be his last half in the NBA.


I figured he'll probably get an invite to training camp next season, the way Cartier did a few years ago.


Hopefully so.

He's got to fix his shooting mechanics and he needs to loosen up and play with more reckless abandon. His feet are in the right place and he's obviously playing smart. Mo just needs to drop the shot and to look like he KNOWS he belongs.

I hope he gets an invite, GhostsOfGil.
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#55 » by hands11 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:21 am

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dlts20 wrote:The chucker, the ball stopper, and the ball dominator who takes the ball out of Wall's hands. Sure enough Wall looks like a stud and our O looks alot better. I dont want JC on this team at all, let alone starting. Ive been saying it. I just think he hurts way more than helps. Maybe a 6th man but I honestly wouldnt even want him for that. We should trade him


Ya, Hands gotta say I disagree with you.

Crawford just isnt a good player to pair with anyone. He shoots at a ridiculous rate while being one of the most inefficient players... EVER. According to basketball reference there has never been anyone who shoots over 3.7 threes per game while shooting under 29% (25 minutes or more). He's inefficient but isn't smart enough to stop shooting.

But more importantly, he has a ridiculously high usage rage (higher than wall's) which means more often than not, Crawford is handling the ball while Wall stands there.


I guess we can't see eye to eye all the time.

I see what you are seeing. I don't disagree with that.

The point I was making is that Wall getting better is not simply because Crawford is not on the court. Crawford clearly needs to improve on things. Things he has admitted he needs to adjust. But Crawford does other things well. He drives well. He passes well. I think his biggest two problems are shot selection and his outside range shooting form. He jumps then cocks his wrest back and them forward. It is not a reliable form. That is why he is streaky. He shoot on feel instead of mechanics and muscle memory.

They clearly need to add depth at SG and Craw is no way a lock to start. But I wouldnt get ride of him just yet. Hopefully they add Beal. That was always my target for this year. And if they don't, they will be adding MKG or Robinson or Davis hopefully. They will have time to find a SG. Crawford being on the team next year is fine. Give the team summer to work with him. Then you have options. Keep some cap space free.

My idea was to sign Ray Allen if you can to start next year. If not, bring back Mason. It will work out.

Ray Allen, Crawford, Beal
Crawford, Beal, Mason

Either is fine to start the next season. Then you evaluate and adjust. They even have Martin who is a SF/SG and maybe Almond.
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#56 » by keynote » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:28 am

C'mon Kevin. Stop doing Curry like that.
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#57 » by tontoz » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:31 am

A winning mentality has to start somewhere. Might as well be now. These games might seem meaningless but for players sick of losing i don't think they are. They will go into the summer with a good feeling looking forward to next season.
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#58 » by hands11 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:31 am

Ves needs to hit the boards so he can rack up another double double.
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#59 » by hands11 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:33 am

Mike Miller comes up with the fake ankle injury.

He doesn't want any part of this blow out.
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Re: 6-0, Heat vs Wizards GT 

Post#60 » by dangermouse » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:33 am

Crawford would be better on a well disciplined team as a scorer/sparkplug off the bench. I always thought he would be Jamal Crawford-lite. Or basically Flip Murray. If his IQ improves over the summer i wouldnt mind keeping him specifically to fill that roll, hoping that we get a SG to play big minutes in front of him.
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