Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Harrison Barnes

[fredericklove]

Was totally on the barnes bandwagon when march madness started, but got off of it as the games progressed because I saw a total lack of desire to get involved. He just didn't give a ****. Me no likey.

I think he wanted to get involved but its hard to do when your whole game relies on Kendall Marshall setting you up for a 3.

This is where you're ignoring things, zero. That's likely what would have happened last season but this season Barnes' whole game relies on all shot-making opportunities from cuts/screens/p&r via the UNC bigs, the team bigs can provide him that but none of them did that during tourney, to say he can just shoot open 3 is old news, you better keep yourself updated instead of staying behind on the last year's Barnes, and where was the p&r/screens from the bigs during tourney, the coach is also at fault for how he runs plays for his wings. But anyways, not like you'd understand anyways since you have other intentions.

[6Ft Under]

isn't the coin toss only there to determine who gets the 1 extra combination between the two tied teams if it is an odd number?

[dbenalal]

I hope that ''coin'' doesn't come from Dan Gilbert's pocket.

[Undefeated]

This is where you're ignoring things, zero. That's likely what would have happened last season but this season Barnes' whole game relies on all shot-making opportunities from cuts/screens/p&r via the UNC bigs, the team bigs can provide him that but none of them did that during tourney, to say he can just shoot open 3 is old news, you better keep yourself updated instead of staying behind on the last year's Barnes, and where was the p&r/screens from the bigs during tourney, the coach is also at fault for how he runs plays for his wings. But anyways, not like you'd understand anyways since you have other intentions.

Exactly. One area that's severely overlooked is that Barnes was usually the recipient of the pass near the tail-end of the shot-clock because he wasn't featured as an offensive threat in UNC's offense, but more so of a safety valve. The offense was inside-outside, so it was basically Tyler Zeller and John Henson working off of each other for the high-low feed, posting up their man down low from an entry pass by Kendall Marshall or working the pick-and-roll with Marshall. When those sets couldn't yield UNC a high percentage shot, it was left to Barnes to create something out of nothing with very little time on the clock. There's a reason why Barnes had to take those two dribble pull-up from the foul line or spotting up from behind the arc. There simply wasn't much time for Barnes to do his moves because he never got touches early in the shot-clock for a side pick-and-roll, his bread-and-butter.

[C_Money]

Was totally on the barnes bandwagon when march madness started, but got off of it as the games progressed because I saw a total lack of desire to get involved. He just didn't give a ****. Me no likey.

I think he wanted to get involved but its hard to do when your whole game relies on Kendall Marshall setting you up for a 3.

This is where you're ignoring things, zero. That's likely what would have happened last season but this season Barnes' whole game relies on all shot-making opportunities from cuts/screens/p&r via the UNC bigs, the team bigs can provide him that but none of them did that during tourney, to say he can just shoot open 3 is old news, you better keep yourself updated instead of staying behind on the last year's Barnes, and where was the p&r/screens from the bigs during tourney, the coach is also at fault for how he runs plays for his wings. But anyways, not like you'd understand anyways since you have other intentions.

I don't like players that need to have everything spit shined for them to have a good game. Anytime you start hearing that a player wasn't good because it was the wrong system for him, you should just walk away right there. The good players in the NBA can be effective no matter what. These Harrison Barnes exuses remind me of Bargnani back in the day.

[DG88]

If we stay at 7th he's the sure fire guy at the top of BC's list

[fredericklove]

I don't like players that need to have everything spit shined for them to have a good game. Anytime you start hearing that a player wasn't good because it was the wrong system for him, you should just walk away right there. The good players in the NBA can be effective no matter what. These Harrison Barnes exuses remind me of Bargnani back in the day.

Any team should have a good system that fits any players, what you implying is we need a superstar who can create for himself right? Then here's the bad news for you, because thats a wishful thinking because you wont' find that in our range right now. And no one needs to walk away from a system player if he's going to play good from those assigned plays given to him, especially if that system fits him really well, which is what Casey's system can do for him. Bargs and Barnes are different, don't bring their comparison of situation together, Bargs' excuse was that he plays out of position, Barnes is not playing out of his SF position.

[Suga2Panda]

sigh... almost no chance we get close enough to sniff his panties

[Undefeated]

I don't like players that need to have everything spit shined for them to have a good game. Anytime you start hearing that a player wasn't good because it was the wrong system for him, you should just walk away right there. The good players in the NBA can be effective no matter what. These Harrison Barnes exuses remind me of Bargnani back in the day.

Any team should have a good system that fits any players, what you implying is we need a superstar who can create for himself right? Then here's the bad news for you, because thats a wishful thinking because you wont' find that in our range right now. And no one needs to walk away from a system player if he's going to play good from those assigned plays given to him, especially if that system fits him really well, which is what Casey's system can do for him. Bargs and Barnes are different, don't bring their comparison of situation together, Bargs' excuse was that he plays out of position, Barnes is not playing out of his SF position.

It's all baloney anyways. The same can be applied to Jeremy Lamb similarly to Harrison Barnes as well yet we don't hear this crap about good players being effective no matter what. Double-standard at its finest.

[DreamTeam09]

The only wing player that I can think of who is a star in the NBA and was a real star in College was Melo...

Broy was a star in both leagues but he was a Senior
Wade too was a star in college but did he spend 3yrs or 2

Everyone else is gets in off their freshman buzz and develop their games in the NBA...

What i'm really trying to say is, I think college is more of a pg and big man game...

[fredericklove]

This is where you're ignoring things, zero. That's likely what would have happened last season but this season Barnes' whole game relies on all shot-making opportunities from cuts/screens/p&r via the UNC bigs, the team bigs can provide him that but none of them did that during tourney, to say he can just shoot open 3 is old news, you better keep yourself updated instead of staying behind on the last year's Barnes, and where was the p&r/screens from the bigs during tourney, the coach is also at fault for how he runs plays for his wings. But anyways, not like you'd understand anyways since you have other intentions.

Exactly. One area that's severely overlooked is that Barnes was usually the recipient of the pass near the tail-end of the shot-clock because he wasn't featured as an offensive threat in UNC's offense, but more so of a safety valve. The offense was inside-outside, so it was basically Tyler Zeller and John Henson working off of each other for the high-low feed, posting up their man down low from an entry pass by Kendall Marshall or working the pick-and-roll with Marshall. When those sets couldn't yield UNC a high percentage shot, it was left to Barnes to create something out of nothing with very little time on the clock. There's a reason why Barnes had to take those two dribble pull-up from the foul line or spotting up from behind the arc. There simply wasn't much time for Barnes to do his moves because he never got touches early in the shot-clock for a side pick-and-roll, his bread-and-butter.

Agree. I think alot of anti-barnes posters only focus on the mistakes he makes and never mention any one bit of what he can do other than shootings. If he's just strictly limited to spot up or dribble 1-2 steps, then Draftexpress wouldn't even bother to talk/discuss on his shot-making ability, right? After all, DX has the best scouting report of all prospects so I still don't get it why alot of people kept saying he can't do anything other than spot up jump shooting.

[C_Money]

I don't like players that need to have everything spit shined for them to have a good game. Anytime you start hearing that a player wasn't good because it was the wrong system for him, you should just walk away right there. The good players in the NBA can be effective no matter what. These Harrison Barnes exuses remind me of Bargnani back in the day.

Any team should have a good system that fits any players, what you implying is we need a superstar who can create for himself right? Then here's the bad news for you, because thats a wishful thinking because you wont' find that in our range right now. And no one needs to walk away from a system player if he's going to play good from those assigned plays given to him, especially if that system fits him really well, which is what Casey's system can do for him. Bargs and Barnes are different, don't bring their comparison of situation together, Bargs' excuse was that he plays out of position, Barnes is not playing out of his SF position.

It's all baloney anyways. The same can be applied to Jeremy Lamb similarly to Harrison Barnes as well yet we don't hear this crap about good players being effective no matter what. Double-standard at its finest.

Jeremy Lamb can create his own shot. He doesn't need a hundred screens set for him with his shoes polished and the arena temperature no hotter than 21 degrees to have a good game.

[fredericklove]

It's all baloney anyways. The same can be applied to Jeremy Lamb similarly to Harrison Barnes as well yet we don't hear this crap about good players being effective no matter what. Double-standard at its finest.

Jeremy Lamb can create his own shot. He doesn't need a hundred screens set for him with his shoes polished and the arena temperature no hotter than 21 degrees to have a good game.

Its true that Lamb can create for himself, however his handles don't get him far enough (e.g. doesn't attack the lane, doesn't go at people), sure he can iso, but iso isn't the only scoring ability anyways, its as effective as a p&r ability, and no matter how good a handle is, if you don't take full advantage of it then its a problem. Despite Barnes not having a great handle, he can still effectively get shots off via plays, and the main part is he has that mentality where he'd like to attack to the basket off p&r and he uses his strength w/ good body control to his advantage, so he's not afraid to use his body...that is the mentality, so that's the thing, you favor so much about dribbles that you automatically think everything is fine as long as you have handles.

And what's pretty much the same way is Lamb loves using screens to get his shots off, and loves curling off the down screens too. So style wise, him and Barnes like to style their game from utilizing p&r, screens and good cuts. See the importance of those designed plays, its equally as effective as guys who have handles. Its all about knowing how to get shots off, thats most important.

[Karl Marx]

Unless we have a really high pick, if he is still available, I believe we will draft him, because we are shorthanded at his natural position. If he is signed by the Raptors I can see him having similar part as DeRozan in terms of playing time since he came to Toronto.

[Basketball_Jones]

I hated the idea of Barnes, but it's looking like we'll be lucky to even have a shot at him so I'm down.

[Karl Marx]

I hated the idea of Barnes, but it's looking like we'll be lucky to even have a shot at him so I'm down.

He is projected 6th and we are likely to pick 7th or 8th.
So we should be happy to be able to draft him.

[pspot]

Barnes at 7 feels a lot like Derozan at 7

big time prospect that never really full filled that potential but still good character and work ethic
a chance he'd fall to 7 but wasn't a sure thing

maybe a good omen

[DarrylFlicking]

Barnes at 7 feels a lot like Derozan at 7

big time prospect that never really full filled that potential but still good character and work ethic
a chance he'd fall to 7 but wasn't a sure thing

maybe a good omen

'cept we took Demar at 9.

[pspot]

Barnes at 7 feels a lot like Derozan at 7

big time prospect that never really full filled that potential but still good character and work ethic
a chance he'd fall to 7 but wasn't a sure thing

maybe a good omen

'cept we took Demar at 9.

ha did we? sorry been a while

its kind of like taking Derozan then

[JPHolling]

Barnes has always been my favorite player in this draft.
if the raptors landed in the top 3 i still feel he should be selected. His play style is much more suited for the nba, and in my opinion already has a better offensive game than loul dang. This time last year, people were screaming calling him the next KD, after he was dropping 3s on everyones head in a pick up game, featuring some of the nba elite