2012 NBA Draft - Part III

[willbcocks]

I think a lot of teams should be hoping that the Wizards and Cavs do not get Davis. Either team would be scary for the next decade.

[dangermouse]

Pistons too.

Davis and Monroe frouncourt would be a beast.

[jivelikenice]

I was originally on the Thomas Robinson bandwagon but I think the pick will come down to Beal v. MKG. The decision might come down to what the FO thinks they can accomplish in FA. If they think they're in position to sign a SF, the pick is Beal, and vice versa.

In regards to Robinson, I love his game but I think between Nene, Seraphin, Vesely, Booker, and Singleton we have the 4/5 covered. Vesely has really grown on me as a player and I think he may end up being one of the five best players in this draft. It may not always show in statistics but he impacts the entire game. On a side note, we got to go to the shoot around before the game tonight and Ves does have good touch on his jumper. What he has to do is shoot enough to get comfortable taking perimeter shots in a game environment. The shot is there though and I think it will develop at a rapid pace.

[The Consiglieri]

I am absolutely convinced at this point that are draft board reads:

1. Davis

2. MKG

3. Bradley Beal

4. Drummond or Robinson (probably Drummond)

5. Robinson?

To be honest, I don't know where Robinson ranks for us. I really don't. With the front court of Nene/Seraphin/Booker/Ves in place, will the team pull the trigger on a guy with Robinson's ceilings? I have serious BIG TIME doubts. I really, really doubt we would draft him. I can see the argument for Drummond. If Drummond becomes what scouts and recruiters thought he was, he will be an absolute monster at the next level. If he doesn't, its a bust, but then again, a lot of picks in that 2-6 slot area become merely adequate players/borderline starters or busts. Are you really going to aim for just an above average guy like Robinson, maybe "good", when you already have plenty of league average, slightly below, and average at the position?

Beal, MKG, Deal, all no brainers. After them it gets really, really, really hard. I am seriously hoping and praying we get a top 3 pick, preferably 1, if not that, then definitely 2 or 3, because other wise we are in a tough position, and as others have noticed, there have been occasional rumors that we actually may consider Drummond at 2 (i dont buy that at all, i think Beal and MKG are just way way way too good of a fit for what we need, and have quality upside to boot).

Im in the same place as you.

To be honest, if we landed at slot 4 or 5, and Davis, MKG, and Beal were gone, at that point I'd either hope for the best and draft Drummond, or I'd deal down, and try to grab a secondary big, and a secondary shooter (there are a ton of options at both) and/or PJ3. I don't think there's remotely enough value in Robinson considering what we already have at 4 and 5 to justify not trading down, and there is such enormous risk in Drummond, that trading down with him available is also potentially advisable as well.

I wonder what EG would do? My guess is he probably thinks the same thing, my fear, is that he'd take Drummond rather than trade down at 4 and 5 if he were available, otherwise, a trade down definitely could happen, or as a few posters have mentioned, a reach for Barnes could happen. It would not shock me at all to hear that our top 5 was:

1. Davis
2. MKG
3. Beal
4. Drummond
5. Barnes

[truwizfan4evr]

I Think Thomas Robinson is rank forth on are draft board. No way you pass up on that kid. He's also from the DC area makes perfect sense.

[hands11]

Click the ESPN Mock draft machine enough times and anything can happen.

I just got this.

NO - Davis 1.1%
NO - Robinson 13.7 %
TOR - MKG 3.6%
CHA - Beal 25%
WIZ - Drummonds 19.9%

[dangermouse]

^Haha, yuck.

I was playing around this morning, must have played it about 20-30 times and that outcome didnt happen once. Phew.

I think the team that won the most was NOH.

I kind of have a feeling that it might happen for real real, too...

[truwizfan4evr]

I love how this thread turned into a discussion about old dudes boning cheerleaders for a second. I love the Wizboard.

But anyway, lets say we stay at #2, and the Hornets drop in the draft, im not sure how far they can go...

They have two picks currently sitting at #3 and #10 (from Twolves via Clips). Lets say they end up with #5 and #10.

We trade them #2 for #5 and #10. Beal will probably be at #5, then we can take Sully, Zelly, or Moultrie with the tenth. The idea being the Hornets take a "home run" player like Drummond or MKG as the new face of the franchise while re-signing Eric Gordon.

Cant see Beal droping past pick number 4

[nate33]

I love how this thread turned into a discussion about old dudes boning cheerleaders for a second. I love the Wizboard.

But anyway, lets say we stay at #2, and the Hornets drop in the draft, im not sure how far they can go...

They have two picks currently sitting at #3 and #10 (from Twolves via Clips). Lets say they end up with #5 and #10.

We trade them #2 for #5 and #10. Beal will probably be at #5, then we can take Sully, Zelly, or Moultrie with the tenth. The idea being the Hornets take a "home run" player like Drummond or MKG as the new face of the franchise while re-signing Eric Gordon.

Cant see Beal droping past pick number 4

I can. It all depends on who is picking and how desperately they want bigs like Robinson and Drummond.

[hands11]

^Haha, yuck.

I was playing around this morning, must have played it about 20-30 times and that outcome didnt happen once. Phew.

I think the team that won the most was NOH.

I kind of have a feeling that it might happen for real real, too...

I think that was the 1 on a million. I doubt I get that result again but it is possible.

Now we sweat it out. If one of the low odd teams wins it all, the chance of us getting the 5th is a lot higher and that means the chance that all that is left is Drummonds is a lot higher.

Tanking is a risk just like anything else. At a min, they got to get their young players a lot of playing time. KS and Ves got a lot better. They also got to bring back and evaluate Martin and James Singleton. The team as is, is a lot better then when they started the year.

Now they need a little luck to maximize the tank. Because if they don't get one of Beal, MKG, Davis or Robinson, then I won't feel good about what they got.

[Liverbird]

If you consider team needs, I would think the board would look like this:

CHA - Davis
WAS - MKG/Beal
NO - Drummond
CLE - Beal/Drummond/MKG
SAC - Robinson/MKG

I'd hate to fall to 5th and have only Robinson on the big board - worst case scenario IMO. If we're left with Drummond, at least we should be able to find suitors for his potential. Trade down for both Portland picks or if the Hornets get screwed, I think they'd buy in as well.

Fingers crossed for top 3-4 at minimum.

[queridiculo]

The biggest team need? The most talented player available at the Wizards slot.

This team simply isn't good enough to draft based on need. In fact, I would argue teams shouldn't never let a need based approach dictate whom they pick. Having too many good players should never be considered a problem.

Unless a team blows the Wizards away with a trade offer, I wouldn't think twice about picking Robinson at 5 with Davis, MKG and Beal of the board.

[jimij]

I'd pick Robinson if he was there but I'd also explore trades for a veteran for the pick. Either way I agree that we need to come away with as much value as possible for the pick.

[Zonkerbl]

I'm tempted to trade down if we get the 4 or 5 pick, but we really need a starter. We're not in a position anymore to load up on role players, we have enough of those already.

We just really don't need another frontcourt player unless we get Davis. For some reason, I have a very strong belief that we won't get the #1 pick. But the #2 or #3 would be fine. If we get #4 or #5 we're screwed.

[jimij]

I'm tempted to trade down if we get the 4 or 5 pick, but we really need a starter. We're not in a position anymore to load up on role players, we have enough of those already.

We just really don't need another frontcourt player unless we get Davis. For some reason, I have a very strong belief that we won't get the #1 pick. But the #2 or #3 would be fine. If we get #4 or #5 we're screwed.

Not necessarily screwed - we just have to hope that other teams picking in front of us have a front court need and leave Beal or MKG to fall to us.

[Ruzious]

Mainly, he doesn't have Melo's jump shot. He does have that scorer's mentality. Melo was - and is - automatic with the mid-range j. Jones is actually more 4 than 3, imo. Looking at Mitchell's stats, his turnovers playing against mediocre competition seem to be a red flag.

He also doesn't have Melo's first step, post moves, or shot creating ability. I've watched a good bit of both, and Jones doesn't remind me a bit of Carmelo. I also don't think Jones has a chance to play SF in the NBA. He is an overrated ball handler and passer, and won't be able to guard SF's. Jones will be a PF in the NBA. He might be pretty good if he can keep his head on straight.

For all of that, Melo without his mid-range jump shot would be a very ordinary player.

[DCZards]

Mainly, he doesn't have Melo's jump shot. He does have that scorer's mentality. Melo was - and is - automatic with the mid-range j. Jones is actually more 4 than 3, imo. Looking at Mitchell's stats, his turnovers playing against mediocre competition seem to be a red flag.

He also doesn't have Melo's first step, post moves, or shot creating ability. I've watched a good bit of both, and Jones doesn't remind me a bit of Carmelo. I also don't think Jones has a chance to play SF in the NBA. He is an overrated ball handler and passer, and won't be able to guard SF's. Jones will be a PF in the NBA. He might be pretty good if he can keep his head on straight.

For all of that, Melo without his mid-range jump shot would be a very ordinary player.

'Melo is one of the top 5 offensive players in the game...so methinks he has more going for him than a mid-range jump shot.

[tontoz]

Melo's midrange shot isn't that good. He is shooting 35% from 16-23 feet this year. Over the last 6 seasons he has shot over 40% only twice on long 2s. He is worse from 10-15 feet, having shot under 35% in that range for 3 consecutive years in Denver.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... %20Anthony


Jordan Crawford shot 39% from 16-23 feet this year which is comparable to Melo's average.

[Ruzious]

He also doesn't have Melo's first step, post moves, or shot creating ability. I've watched a good bit of both, and Jones doesn't remind me a bit of Carmelo. I also don't think Jones has a chance to play SF in the NBA. He is an overrated ball handler and passer, and won't be able to guard SF's. Jones will be a PF in the NBA. He might be pretty good if he can keep his head on straight.

For all of that, Melo without his mid-range jump shot would be a very ordinary player.

'Melo is one of the top 5 offensive players in the game...so methinks he has more going for him than a mid-range jump shot.

Maybe in tiddlywinks, he's a top 5 offensive player. He sure ain't in basketball. He's got a 46% EFG. He's a high volume scorer, but he's not particularly efficient, and he seems to bog down offenses, because he's a black hole. Denver didn't exactly go down hill when he left there, and the Knicks played better when he was out. Without his mid-range J, what uthinks that 46% be?

[Ruzious]

Melo's midrange shot isn't that good. He is shooting 35% from 16-23 feet this year. Over the last 6 seasons he has shot over 40% only twice on long 2s. He is worse from 10-15 feet, having shot under 35% in that range for 3 consecutive years in Denver.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... %20Anthony


Jordan Crawford shot 39% from 16-23 feet this year which is comparable to Melo's average.

When I think mid-range, I think 12-18 feet. Outside of that is long range.