Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Terrence Jones

[wanker]

Think of the possibilities.

[Indiana Jones]

Okay, I thought about them, and I hate them all...

[Twoism]

Good one.

I hope we don't draft another PF but he's a beast.

[Lawnmower Man]

Ok, come on now. I'm more pissed off than anyone but even I know the limit.

We have the 7th or 8th pick. Not the 12th or 13th, lol.

[drew_8730]

lock this thread were not taking terrence jones...hahahahaha

[Duffman100]

I actually like Terrence Jones and I believe he can play the 3. He defends, he's intense, he can shoot, he's got great size...

I wouldn't mind acquiring another pick and going after him.

[fredericklove]

[JamesNaismith]

[Duffman100]

I don't understand the hate. 16, 9, 2, 1 steal, 2 blocks....19 years old and is already 6'8, 245...

[fredericklove]

I don't understand the hate. 16, 9, 2, 1 steal, 2 blocks....19 years old and is already 6'8, 245...

If you just going to evaluate him by his numbers and not knowing what his major weakness is, then you don't know much about him.

[Duffman100]

I don't understand the hate. 16, 9, 2, 1 steal, 2 blocks....19 years old and is already 6'8, 245...

If you just going to evaluate him by his numbers and not knowing what his major weakness is, then you don't know much about him.

Yes I was fully judging him on those stats alone. You are completely correct.

Lateral quicks? Jumpshot? Motor? I'm aware of what his limitations are...but they're not so overwhelming that we can dismiss acquiring a 19 year old athletic SF with a variety of skills on both ends. Especially for a team that sucks as bad as we do.

It would be nice to see you contribute something rather than a animated GIF and a snide passive aggressive comment.

[wanker]

That people around here would rather have scrubs such as Marshall, Lillard, etc., really speaks to the level of knowledge found on this forum. To think that Jones won't at least be in the conversation is simply dumb: he is currently ranked the 8th best prospect by Chad Ford, 11th by DX, and is only going to rise the boards after measurements and workouts (he is a beast). He was a top 10 prospect coming out of high school and has put up big numbers (albeit inconsistently) across the board in his time at Kentucky. If you are going to construct a team with Bargnani and Valanciunas at the 4-5 (a scary but inevitable reality), you need strength, toughness, defence and rebounding at the 3.

[Brinbe]

He came on during the last stretch for UK, but I'm not much of a fan. Doesn't do much that we don't already have from JJ and Amir/Ed. And to me, he's still an undersized 4 more than a 3.

[fredericklove]

I don't understand the hate. 16, 9, 2, 1 steal, 2 blocks....19 years old and is already 6'8, 245...

If you just going to evaluate him by his numbers and not knowing what his major weakness is, then you don't know much about him.

Yes I was fully judging him on those stats alone. You are completely correct.

Lateral quicks? Jumpshot? Motor? I'm aware of what his limitations are...but they're not so overwhelming that we can dismiss acquiring a 19 year old athletic SF with a variety of skills on both ends. Especially for a team that sucks as bad as we do.

It would be nice to see you contribute something rather than a animated GIF and a snide passive aggressive comment.

His jump shot is fine, lateral quickness and motor on the defensive end are also fine too, hell he's even great on his weak-side defense, but its his intensity level that's being the ultimate question and its a far greater issue because it brings everything down. He's unwilling to do anything on offense when the game is on the line. Sure he's shown abit what he can do in skillset, but during the course of the season and tourney, he's been highly inconsistent. In a long stretch, he's nowhere to be found on offense after going a short stretch of scoring in 1st quarter, then absolutely disappear in 2nd half. It happens in nearly most game this season and even in the 2nd half of last season, many of us in kentucky game thread on draft thread always mentions about his lack of focus/intensity, you can ask anyone on draft thread about it too, I'm not making this up.. its the same reason why last year in 2nd half, where his stat drops tremendously, from being a top 5 draft pick mentioned then stock dropping, due to his poor style of play. He and Perry Jones shared the same trait, both lacks consistency and the will to take over the game when they have upper size/talent advantage.

This year has show even more seriousness of that mentality issue - its very detrimental to his game he's supposingly to step up as the experienced, leadership role, as main guy on a freshmen stack of talented lineup, instead of showing up, he's rather become 3rd or 4th option letting Teague/Davis/MKG go on the scoring torch in late game situation. That's not a good mentality to have, knowing how talented he is and he probably has the best face-up game on the team but he rarely uses that to his advantage or shows any of that on offense in crunch time or shows that he's the main guy on offense, none of these were on display.

When it's time to step up, he doesn't do it. That has been the issue that scouts have problem with. This is why he's being projected in late lottery range instead of top 5. His lack of focus, assertiveness and motor on offense (not defense) are major concerns.

If you're drafting a guy to be a main option or 2nd option on offense in raptors' lineup? He's not going to step up and be that guy. You want a guy to step up big in crunch time, he won't do that for you. He's a huge risk for someone who's projected to go 11-15, and you're drafting him in 7 or 8th? Huge risk.

If you say Casey will change him, Coach Cal is best at toughen up his players, seen what he did to MKG and Davis and even Teague, literally scream and yell at his player to step up, TJ never ever focus, often times his emotions get the best of him, when things don't go right he'll get frustrated easily (its shown by his body expression, broadcasters said that alot too about how he's being frustrated right now on the floor), and often times he gets sent back quickly to the bench, looking at Cal about why and what he did to deserve it, its easy to tell why, cos he doesn't step up in the game. Always cruise around the perimeter, not demanding the ball, not even posing up to call for the ball, when he gets the ball in face-up in the wing area, ready to 1 on 1 iso, he'll just quickly pass it back out and there weren't any double-team on many occasions, he just doesn't wanna engage on offense. And also one thing, he's a tweener, thats an issue too, what position does he play in the NBA? The 3 or the 4? But overall, his lack of focus and intensity are main issues, if a tough-minded Cal can't get this guy rolling, how do you see the same with Casey?

[Duffman100]

If you just going to evaluate him by his numbers and not knowing what his major weakness is, then you don't know much about him.

Yes I was fully judging him on those stats alone. You are completely correct.

Lateral quicks? Jumpshot? Motor? I'm aware of what his limitations are...but they're not so overwhelming that we can dismiss acquiring a 19 year old athletic SF with a variety of skills on both ends. Especially for a team that sucks as bad as we do.

It would be nice to see you contribute something rather than a animated GIF and a snide passive aggressive comment.

If you say Casey will change him, Coach Cal is best at toughen up his players, seen what he did to MKG and Davis and even Teague, literally scream and yell at his player to step up, TJ never ever focus, often times his emotions get the best of him, when things don't go right he'll get frustrated easily (its shown by his body expression, broadcasters said that alot too about how he's being frustrated right now on the floor), and often times he gets sent back quickly to the bench, looking at Cal about why and what he did to deserve it, its easy to tell why, cos he doesn't step up in the game. Always cruise around the perimeter, not demanding the ball, not even posing up to call for the ball, when he gets the ball in face-up in the wing area, ready to 1 on 1 iso, he'll just quickly pass it back out and there weren't any double-team on many occasions, he just doesn't wanna engage on offense. And also one thing, he's a tweener, thats an issue too, what position does he play in the NBA? The 3 or the 4? But overall, his lack of focus and intensity are main issues, if a tough-minded Cal can't get this guy rolling, how do you see the same with Casey?

Good post and fair enough. I can only say a few things to it,

a) I could see getting lost on that UK team being very easy. Everything was really spread around, a very team oriented scoring approach. Not as easy to assert your offensive game as it would be in an NBA setting. I could see getting ISOs really helping him out.

b) I'm not saying we take him with the 7-8 pick, but if he falls into the late lottery or mid-first round, he's definitely worth a look. I see him developing to be a better JJ. And I do see him at the 3, even though I think his lateral quicks are a little concerning.

c) Potential alone. If he really is that hit or miss and still put up those numbers, maybe it's worth trying to hit a homerun.

[drew_8730]

terrence jones just isnt an option at 8 or 9. he is a 12-15 range guy

[Vietbrah]

lock this thread were not taking terrence jones...hahahahaha