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Official Lottery Thread 

Post#1 » by DirtyDez » Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:42 am

Final Standing:

14. Houston Rockets 34-32
13. Phoenix Suns 33-33
12. Milwaukee Bucks 31-35
11. Portland Trailblazers 28-38
10. Minnesota Timberwolves 26-40
9. Detroit Pistons 25-41
8/7. Toronto 23-43/Golden St 23-43 (Subject to coinflip)
6/5. New Jersey 22-44/Sacramento 22-44 (Subject to coinflip)
4/3. Cleveland 21-45/New Orleans 21-45 (Subject to coinflip)
2. Washington Wizards 20-46
1. Charlotte Bobcats 7-59

Lotto Facts since 1990...

- Only 2 teams with the worst record have won the lottery (Sorry Charlotte)

- The team with the 5th worst record has finished in the top 3 lottery 10 times (Good news for NJ with their pick being top 3 protected)

- The lowest record ever to win the lotto was Orlando in 93' when they had the 11th worst record in the league.

- The team that has won the lotto the most times was the team with the 3rd worst record (Good news for whoever wins the coin toss between New Orleans and Cleveland)

- The lowest record to ever win a top 3 selection in the lotto was Charlotte in 99' recieing the #3 pick with the 13th worst record (So Phoenix has a chance :wink: )

Lottery takes place on May 30th

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Post#2 » by Mjee » Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:05 pm

The nice thing about this years draft is that we will get a quality player with the number 13th pick.. I'm praying we get rivers or Jeremy lamb so much potential there!!
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Post#3 » by ShawnBronald » Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:06 pm

Mjeezy2006 wrote:The nice thing about this years draft is that we will get a quality player with the number 13th pick.. I'm praying we get rivers or Jeremy lamb so much potential there!!


..... unless Sarver decides some other team might like our pick. :roll:
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Post#4 » by MathiasPW » Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:19 pm

Let's start by saying that past results provide NO evidence of a higher or lower chance of getting a better pick ...ths is probability, and the events are independent.

Secondly, and most importantly, we lived the worst of two worlds - just short of the playoffs and second worst in the lottery allocation. Pretty sure there is not a single Suns fan happy at the moment.

Third, Phoenix has this awesome credibility for sending greatly talented and developing players out just when they are about to explode. Do we need a list? We've been over this many times in these forums already.

Fourth, our current young share of the roster might be promising, but they don't have much time left with our current oldies to really develop into solid players, given that none of those youngsters are potential stars.

Wow, I wonder why I am not excited.

All that said, I hope we at least have some fun next year watching Morris and whoever we bring in playing solid minutes, based on a hopefully solid reconstruction plan.
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Post#5 » by MathiasPW » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:03 pm

ANd I don't see the need for a SG...I'm in for a PF, and luckily there are many of them available this draft.

I like Moultrie, Jared Sullinger and, if I am allowed to dream, ANdre Drummond for that matter. All with a good big/quick/strong combo.
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Post#6 » by DirtyDez » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:40 pm

Golden St, Sacramento and Cleveland won their coinflips...

1. Bobcats - (25%)
2. Wizards - (19.9%)
3. Cleveland - (13.8%)
4. Hornets - (13.7%)
5. Sacramento - (7.6%)
6. Portland(via Nets top 3 protected) - (7.5%)
7. Warriors(Utah'z pick, top 7 protected) - (3.6%)
8. Raptors - (3.5%)
9. Detroit - (1.7%)
10. Hornets(via Minnesota) - (1.1%)
11. Portland - (0.8%)
12. Bucks - (0.7%)
13. Suns - (0.6%)
14. Houston - (0.5%)
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Post#7 » by 7Insomniac » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:46 pm

****, I was hoping for Utah to win their coin-flip. They would've made a nice trade partner to move up.
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Post#8 » by Cutter » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:59 pm

I can still see the Suns moving up in the draft by trading draft picks and taking back a bad salary.

Suns Trade: #13 pick
Pistons trade: #9 pick, Ben Gordon

Pistons move down 4 positions in the draft, but get rid of Gordon's 2 year $25M salary.

Suns move up in the draft and can now target someone like PJ3 at the #9 spot.

Detroit will not trade #9 for #13 unless we take Gordons salary.

Would you do this trade if you were the Suns FO? Or do you stand pat with the #13 pick?
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Post#9 » by sunskerr » Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:46 am

Of course Cleveland won their "coin flip"... Not a surprise, considering how last year went.
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Post#10 » by Kerrsed » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:22 am

Lets post our Lotto top 3 guesses!

1. Hornets
2. Kings
3. Bobcats

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Post#11 » by SunsRback4Good » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:36 am

1. Hornets
2. Bobcats
3. Wizards
4. SAcramento
5. Blazers



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Re: Official Lottery Thread 

Post#12 » by DirtyDez » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:57 am

I actually don't want to trade up. The same talent will be at #7 than it will at #13 IMO. Davis is the only elite prospect. Robinson, Barnes, MKG and Beal will probably round out the top 5.
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Post#13 » by sunskerr » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:18 am

1. Bobcats (They need it lol)
2. Cavaliers
3. Wizards
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Post#14 » by Kerrsed » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:07 am

From the Wolves beat writer:

The Wolves own Utah's pick from the 2010 Al Jefferson trade and Houston owns New York's pick, so the Rockets will pick 16th, the Mavericks 17th and the Wolves 18th. If I had to bet, I'll say they package that pick in a trade to add a veteran(s)


http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/149293395.html
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Post#15 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:38 pm

Kerrsed wrote:Lets post our Lotto top 3 guesses!

1. Hornets
2. Kings
3. Bobcats

:D


1-hornets-Stern helps build the franchise for new hornets owner.
2-charlotte-stern wants to see the 2nd coming of gerald wallaces' return to the bobcats.
3-New Jersey- Stern wants to give the nets added leverage to keep deron and further tempt dwight to go to jersey and create yet another revenue powerhouse!

Just my guesses? :dontknow:
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Post#16 » by NiGhtWiSh » Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:46 pm

1. Sacramento
2. Charlotte
3. Cleveland

13. Phoenix
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Post#17 » by GrantHill » Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:52 pm

Teams can just go up in the lottery, so if you want Phoenix to have the 14th pick, Houston has to win the lottery.

Either Nets or Hornets will win the lottery.
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Post#18 » by Kerrsed » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:24 pm

GM Bob Myers said if Warriors land a Top 7, giving them 4 total picks, they're likely to make a draft-day trade. "Four picks are a lot of picks. We added three rookies last year. I don't think its ideal to have four more, making it 7 in two years. Four is probably a number we would like to reduce or consolidate. ... If we end up with four, we're probably in the market to move up, move out or trade."
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Post#19 » by Kerrsed » Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:36 am

I got it on the first try just now: :o

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Post#20 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:30 am

here's an interesting read on the lottery!
How Fair Is the NBA Draft Lottery System?
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I wonder how much that pick costed?


Eight lottery picks in the past eight years hasn’t seemed to do much for the Charlotte Bobcats, but it has turned other franchises across the league upside down. Back to back lottery picks in ’08 and ’09 were the only lottery picks the Thunder organization has ever had in it’s short existence, but judging on the way things are going, they won’t need another one for a while.

And yet, while we’ve seen lottery picks like Russell Westbrook (fourth pick) and James Harden (third) emerge as some of the greatest players in the game, other lottery picks like Kwame Brown and Adam Morrison have proven to better at warming benches rather than playing professional basketball.

In fact, I could probably name over twenty lottery pick-busts in the past five years, just off the top of my head: Enes Kanter, Jonas Valanciunas (who?), Jan Vesely, Marcus Morris, Cole Aldrich, Xavier Henry, Larry Sanders, Jordan Hill and pretty much his whole draft class (Johnny Flynn, Terrence Williams, Austin Daye, Earl Clark, etc.), Joe Alexander…you get my point.

Investing in a player on draft night is much like investing in a stock in finance—the system works on a high risk, high reward system regularity.

Nonetheless, whether you’re a fan or a GM or a coach or a player, nobody is going to turn down a lottery pick. Nobody is going to say no to the next Melo or D-Rose or Blake Griffin. As it should be, a majority of the members of the Hall of Fame were drafted in the lottery, so talent and potential certainly do not lack.

But how fair is the NBA draft in all realness? Starting with the suspicious draft of 1985, where the Knicks received the first overall pick “by chance,” not everybody has given into the concept of completely equal chances when drafting. The fact that the lottery balls are now selected in a private room with no company only reinforces the assumption of a fixed draft.

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Why not air the selection of lottery balls on TV? That’s my question. For one, the program would get higher TV ratings, and secondly, teams like the Timerwolves might, for once, believe they can actually get a top pick. (In 14 years of being in the lottery, they have never gotten a first pick. Suspicious.)



The lottery has always been aired on national television, with each of the fourteen teams with picks bringing in their own respective representative and each team carrying its own storyline/history. And whether it’s a profound coincidence, or if the draft is actually rigged, the stories have seemed to have more importance than the actual teams lately.

The boy with neurofibromatosis disease who granted the Cavs (2.8 percent chance of winning) a top pick in perfect timing (a little too perfect if you ask me), as LeBron had just left the summer before. The grandma who represented the Wizards and landed her team a first pick weeks after her husband passed away. The Bulls (a 1.7 percent chance of winning the first overall pick), who the NBA wanted to revive for a while now, captured the rights to Derrick Rose, who eventually led the team to be the beasts of the east.

As a current high school student, I’m part of the generation that witnessed the recession and downfall of the NBA Dunk Contest first-hand.

Once the most exciting part of the entire NBA season, let alone All-Star Weekend, the Dunk Contest has quickly transformed into a staged act and more of a costume party than a competition for the league’s highest flyers. Unless the lottery/draft system is revised soon, it’ll find itself having the same fate as the dunk contest.



Is the NBA Lottery Rigged?

Yes


47.5%



No


18.8%



Occasionally


33.8%


Total votes: 80
In all fairness, the NBA most likely started to change the dunk contest for the entertainment of the fans. I hope they know it’s not working.



With that being said, the lottery should be fun to watch later in May, as fourteen struggling teams try to animate their franchises. Out of those fourteen teams, it isn’t hard to guess which team carries the biggest story line: the New Jersey Brooklyn Nets.

As David Kahn so accurately put it, “This league has a habit, and I am just going to say habit, of producing some pretty incredible story lines...As soon as the 14-year-old kid joined us, we were toast.”

Referring to the child who suffered neurofibromatosis when he said “the 14-year-old kid,” Kahn could not have been more correct. Data actually goes to show that the team who earns the top pick is usually not projected to get it. In fact, 89 perfect of the time, a team that’s not the worst team will get the first pick, which only further proves the conception of a rigged, breaking news-friendly draft

In the eighteen years of using the current lottery system, the team with the worst record has only been awarded the pick twice. 2/18 = 0.11%.

In the midst of relocation, free-agency drama, players that want to leave (why would somebody possibly want to leave the Nets???), and disappointment for the past 35 years, the Nets look to have a fresh start in Brooklyn. None of the other teams participating in the lottery are involved in a situation as big as that of the Nets, which means the team has pretty big shot at the first overall pick.

So, next month, when the Nets miraculously get Anthony Davis, just smile and act like it was luck. For David Stern’s sake, just do it.
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