Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jared Sullinger

[_Choco_]

We have a big man glut like Lindsey Lohan has a movie offer glut because she's deciding between 3 direct to video offers and 1 porn

LOL well said

[redred9]

If Barnes is gone, I can't see GSW passing him up. Sullinger next to Bogut surrounded by shooters = a bunch of wins.

What about David Lee?

he can be allowed to stick around until Sullinger grows up

The real concern over there would have to defence though hey- between Curry, Thompson and Lee that would be horrendous if Bogut wasn't one of the better big men defenders in the league. I think eventually they need to ship Lee out or send him to the bench if only for that reason.

But if Barnes is there instead I think they'd pick him first.

It's all for nothing if they can't stay healthy first though. All three dudes getting surgery lol.

[OAKLEY_2]

We have a big man glut like Lindsey Lohan has a movie offer glut because she's deciding between 3 direct to video offers and 1 porn

You have your numbers transposed.

[torsport]

I think Sullinger is a good pick if the plan is to move Bargs before the draft for a solution at the SF or PG spot. He has a true inside game and would give us an inside outside offense that we will never have with Bargs and even JV. This would be a nice transition to a traditional winning style of basket ball. Sullinger isn't fat like Sweetny or Traylor. He's big and strong. A good option if the Bargs experiment is over and he's flipped for a Josh Smith type of play.

[fredericklove]

We have a big man glut like Lindsey Lohan has a movie offer glut because she's deciding between 3 direct to video offers and 1 porn

LOL well said

Off-topic, she really should do a porno

[fredericklove]

I think Sullinger is a good pick if the plan is to move Bargs before the draft for a solution at the SF or PG spot. He has a true inside game and would give us an inside outside offense that we will never have with Bargs and even JV. This would be a nice transition to a traditional winning style of basket ball. Sullinger isn't fat like Sweetny or Traylor. He's big and strong. A good option if the Bargs experiment is over and he's flipped for a Josh Smith type of play.

I agree. If Bargs wasn't on the team, we'll pretty much talk alot about Sully as prime draft target. I really like the traditional style we have with JV/Sully duo. Well, we can even trade Bargs for Iggy, and target at the 3 pointers specialists as our bench scoring during off-season, since our team lacks a playmaker, Iggy can certainly help us in that area, and his defense will certainly glorify Casey's defensive schemes.

[BirdmanPresents]

Best comparison i've heard about him is David West

Don't like this comparison. Athletically they are similar, but playing style is different. West operates more in the midrange while Sully works hard to establish deeper position. West is more of a faceup guy while Sullinger uses his back to the basket more to back guys down. Sullinger has been working on his perimeter and midrange game a bit more, but I would like him to focus on playing inside.

I'm REALLY liking him more and more as our 8th pick, pending what we do with Bargnani. A potential Sullinger/Jonas front court is something to be excited about going forward.

[fredericklove]

Best comparison i've heard about him is David West

Don't like this comparison. Athletically they are similar, but playing style is different. West operates more in the midrange while Sully works hard to establish deeper position. West is more of a faceup guy while Sullinger uses his back to the basket more to back guys down. Sullinger has been working on his perimeter and midrange game a bit more, but I would like him to focus on playing inside.

I'm REALLY liking him more and more as our 8th pick, pending what we do with Bargnani. A potential Sullinger/Jonas front court is something to be excited about going forward.

Agree, I don't like that comparison but I think he's got a Zach Randolph style in terms of using his body down low, with soft hands doing these baby jump hooks, he's the type that sacrifices his body unlike David West who utilizes heavily on pick and pop. Of cos, Sully doesn't have Zach's mid-range type, but he's still capable of knocking down corner jumpers and occasional 3's which is quite a surprise.

[Waylon Mercy]

Sullinger had his shot blocked at one of the highest clips in College basketball in the NBA
his post up game and deep positioning is gonna be reduced significantly. He also gonna
be strictly a half court offensive player.

Some people are saying there isn't much difference between 2-10 let alone 5-10 in the
draft I think team need will have a big affect since BPA is almost taken out of the window
highest upside will seem to replace it. Sullinger seems to have fallen out of the top 10
in a few mocks and with Colangelo stating his main focus will be on SF and PG and
with Casey loving Bargs and already stating Ed Davis as the "man" on the summer league
team regardless of our rookie and we still have Amirs contract the odds of us drafting
Sullinger are next to nil.

[DA_SCOUT]

Agree, I don't like that comparison but I think he's got a Zach Randolph style in terms of using his body down low, with soft hands doing these baby jump hooks, he's the type that sacrifices his body unlike David West who utilizes heavily on pick and pop. Of cos, Sully doesn't have Zach's mid-range type, but he's still capable of knocking down corner jumpers and occasional 3's which is quite a surprise.

Zach Randolph is actually one of the better comparisons i've heard so far. But you guys need to realize that BC is not trading Bargnani at all, he wants to see how Jonas and him compliment each other. That being said....bye bye Sullinger

[BirdmanPresents]

Agree, I don't like that comparison but I think he's got a Zach Randolph style in terms of using his body down low, with soft hands doing these baby jump hooks, he's the type that sacrifices his body unlike David West who utilizes heavily on pick and pop. Of cos, Sully doesn't have Zach's mid-range type, but he's still capable of knocking down corner jumpers and occasional 3's which is quite a surprise.

This was what I had in mind too but thought some realgm'ers would take it the wrong way. Definitely a Zach Randolph style of game.

Zach Randolph is actually one of the better comparisons i've heard so far. But you guys need to realize that BC is not trading Bargnani at all, he wants to see how Jonas and him compliment each other. That being said....bye bye Sullinger

I think everyone agrees with this, so what is there to realize??

[postup]

Sullinger is college and done to me. I just don't see him competing in the NBA where he'll be completely outmatched physically and athletically.

He'll have a tough time getting his shot off in the post without eating it every time and he just doesn't have the range to stretch out the de like some of the others mentioned in this thread.

[DA_SCOUT]

Zach Randolph is actually one of the better comparisons i've heard so far. But you guys need to realize that BC is not trading Bargnani at all, he wants to see how Jonas and him compliment each other. That being said....bye bye Sullinger

I think everyone agrees with this, so what is there to realize??

lol man not everyone does, when we were projected top 6 there was A LOT of talk about getting TRob and trading Bargnani. I'm just saying don't get your hopes up on us landing Sullinger and trading Bargnani.

[BirdmanPresents]

Sullinger had his shot blocked at one of the highest clips in College basketball in the NBA
his post up game and deep positioning is gonna be reduced significantly. He also gonna
be strictly a half court offensive player.

Besides his strength, he also has very good footwork in the post. It might be tougher for him to post up using strength at the next level, but he will still have his footwork. He is skilled in the post and that can make up for his athleticism or lack thereof. He has been working on his midrange and even as fredricklove said he has been hitting some 3's. This part of his development will be crucial against some of the bigger (taller AND stronger) PF's in the league. Draft-express has him at 6'9", and if he measures up to that, that is very average for NBA (keep in mind most heights are boosted). I think he will learn to use his body effectively in the NBA against bigger 4's and be able to use the midrange against some of the monsters. If you look at a list of the starting 4's in the league, who do you really think he would have trouble posting up on with his size, strength, and footwork?

Jared Sullinger (6'9", 280lbs)
Amir Johnson (6'9", 210lbs)
Brandon Bass (6'8", 250lbs)
Elton Brand (6'9", 258lbs)
Carlos Boozer (6'9", 266lbs)
Kevin Garnett (6'11", 253lbs)
Blake Griffin (6'10", 251lbs)
Pau Gasol (7'0, 250lbs)
Zach Randolph (6'9", 260lbs)
Lamarcus Aldridge (6'11", 240lbs)
Kevin Love (6'10", 260lbs)
David Lee (6'9", 240lbs)
Serge Ibaka (6'10", 235lbs)
Tim Duncan (6'11", 255lbs)
Amare Stoudamire (6'11", 260lbs)
Dirk Nowitzki (7'0", 255lbs)
Paul Milsap (6'8", 253lbs)
Josh Smith (6'9", 225lbs)
Louis Scola (6'9", 245lbs)
David West (6'9", 240lbs)
Chris Bosh (6'11", 235lbs)

The problem people have with Sullinger being undersized is the fact they slate him as a Centre. He may be a little slow guarding 4's, but I think would provide nice size inside on D and having Valanciunas inside with him would make a good tandem. On offense as well they would be a good pairing, both can post up and play inside, while stepping out the occasional play. I'm officially on the Sullinger bandwagon. If only BC would move Bargs for a PG/SG/SF a Derozan, Valanciunas, Sullinger and Bargnani incoming player lineup would be nice. Would love to use Ed to get Quincy Miller and end up with Sullinger and Quincy Miller out of the draft.

[OAKLEY_2]

Actually imagine pairing him with Bargs and then with Val. He's a nice anchor to throw in there with both of them. He could easily play centre with Bargs and play power forward with Val. That's a nice front court. Free agency has the best selection at point guard including Bayless so if need be they could easily sign a veteran there or stand pat. Another shooting guard like Orlando Johnson might be had with the second pick. Ilyasova would be my big target for SF. If we are picking 8th I'd pick Sullinger if he's on the board.That would mean we don't mess with Demar's position which at this point might be wise.

[peja drobnjak]

ilyasova's a pf through and through

[BirdmanPresents]

LOL PEJA DROBNJAK!

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[Dr Positivity]

One thing understated about Sullinger is that he had Cs guarding him in the NCAA. So I'm not as worried as most about what happens against bigger defenders for Sullinger. Jeff Withey is a legit 7 footer who averaged 5 blks+ per 36. I'm not that worried about Sullinger having a matchup like that consistently in the NBA

[TheDoctor]

I'm on board with taking Sullinger at 8.

I see elements of Boozer, Brand, Al Jefferson, Love and Zach - but not wholly any of them. He's really smart and skilled, and as long as he can keep his health and weight under control (and the two are related), he'll be a good NBA player for a long time, and is a nice different complement to our other bigs , and could beat one out to start someday.

[mieshpal]

Given that Ed Davis and Amir are both on contract it wouldn't make sense to draft this guy. He isn't much of an upgrade either.

your nuts sullinger is going to be alot better then big baby, i think he will be a better version of david west