2012 NBA Playoffs - (2) Thunder vs. (7) Mavs - (2-0 OKC)

RvM · Post #301 » by **RvM** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:22 am

Who do you guys think will win Game 2?

No offense to OKC fans, but I highly doubt Ibaka has an efficient offensive game as he did yesterday, and same can be said for Terry but we shall see.

Definitely interesting to see how these two teams play tonight. Also, with West at full health after throwing up all over the place, I'd say he's able to give Westbrook more of a fit in Game 2.

Wone · Post #302 » by **Wone** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:24 am

RvM wrote:Who do you guys think will win Game 2?

No offense to OKC fans, but I highly doubt Ibaka has an efficient offensive game as he did yesterday, and same can be said for Terry but we shall see.

Definitely interesting to see how these two teams play tonight. Also, with West at full health after throwing up all over the place, I'd say he's able to give Westbrook more of a fit in Game 2.

okc. i can see them winning by a convincing amount this time. those kind of losses can be demoralizing to a team. giving your best shot and still losing but we'll see what happens.

fallacy · Post #303 » by **fallacy** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:26 am

RvM wrote:Who do you guys think will win Game 2?

No offense to OKC fans, but I highly doubt Ibaka has an efficient offensive game as he did yesterday, and same can be said for Terry but we shall see.

Definitely interesting to see how these two teams play tonight. Also, with West at full health after throwing up all over the place, I'd say he's able to give Westbrook more of a fit in Game 2.

Of Ibaka's 9 makes, 7 were dunks. The only shot he made that you can't rely on was the 3. Ibaka's offense was far from a fluke. As long as Dirk is incapable of keeping up with Ibaka physically, how is Ibaka going to be stopped?

Do you expect him to suddenly stop missing wide open dunks?

Now if you expect Terry to shoot 80% from three and Durant to shoot 35% from the field every game....

Dupp · Post #304 » by **Dupp** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:43 am

^ Most of if not all of ibakas dunks came on the back of poor defensive rotations. That can be rectified.

BmanInBigD · Post #305 » by **BmanInBigD** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:14 pm

fallacy wrote:
RvM wrote:Who do you guys think will win Game 2?

No offense to OKC fans, but I highly doubt Ibaka has an efficient offensive game as he did yesterday, and same can be said for Terry but we shall see.

Definitely interesting to see how these two teams play tonight. Also, with West at full health after throwing up all over the place, I'd say he's able to give Westbrook more of a fit in Game 2.

Of Ibaka's 9 makes, 7 were dunks. The only shot he made that you can't rely on was the 3. Ibaka's offense was far from a fluke. As long as Dirk is incapable of keeping up with Ibaka physically, how is Ibaka going to be stopped?

Do you expect him to suddenly stop missing wide open dunks?

Now if you expect Terry to shoot 80% from three and Durant to shoot 35% from the field every game....

Dude, c'mon, I know you're smarter than that.

I suspect they'll do a better job of stopping him like they did in the RS against them, when he avg'd 9.5 pts.

OKC shot 48%, Dallas 43%. Do you expect that all series? I don't expect Terry to shoot 80% every game, but SOMEBODY will. Nor do I expect Durant to shoot 37%, but SOMEBODY on OKC will. Maybe Ibaka this time? Or Westbrook? You can't have it both ways; you can't expect Durant to do better and then not expect Ibaka to do worse. It's called law of averages.

dyukcs · Post #306 » by **dyukcs** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:32 pm

The way I see it, if we win this game, we'll win the series. If we can control the Thunder that well on their home court then we should win. If not, it's a long shot and we probably lose. But I trust Carlisle to make the right adjustments and we typically get better as a series drags out, so the whole equation will probably change after the next couple of games.

Game 1 exposed why we miss Chandler, we can do good defense (Haywood) or good offense (Mahinmi/Wright), but we can't do both.

I have to say though, I don't like how long it takes Carlisle to change on some things. Putting Kidd on Durant (and switching PGs on him in general) worked last year in the playoffs, but consistently failed this year in the regular season. I guess he had to try it a couple of times, but it resulted in some easy baskets for KD. I'm also a little upset he couldn't draw something up to get Terry the ball in the 4th, and I didn't like the decision to play West sick over Roddy. Every little thing counts in a close loss, ugh we should've won that :-?

Soupman · Post #307 » by **Soupman** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:52 pm

Wone wrote:
RvM wrote:Who do you guys think will win Game 2?

No offense to OKC fans, but I highly doubt Ibaka has an efficient offensive game as he did yesterday, and same can be said for Terry but we shall see.

Definitely interesting to see how these two teams play tonight. Also, with West at full health after throwing up all over the place, I'd say he's able to give Westbrook more of a fit in Game 2.

okc. i can see them winning by a convincing amount this time. those kind of losses can be demoralizing to a team. giving your best shot and still losing but we'll see what happens.

Not to a veteran team that has came from behind to win multiple series before.

BmanInBigD · Post #308 » by **BmanInBigD** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:12 pm

I think the Mavs have a good chance to adjust. Why are so many people saying Dallas gave them their best shot? Besides Terry shooting lights out, no one really played well. Dirk=MIA the first 3 quarters, Vince=5/14, poor rotations all around, Mahinmi and Wright clearly nervous, West puking all over, etc.

Not guaranteeing they will, but they can certainly play a lot better than game 1. OKC may have won a lot more games this season, but anyone (except for blind homers) watching the games these two teams played this year should be able to say that there's not much separating them, if anything.

Thundestruck · Post #309 » by **Thundestruck** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:32 pm

I respect the hell out of the Dallas franchise. They scare me to death on the court and I like watching how they play basketball. At the same time, I would love to beat them just once without someone from their organization complaining about the refs. I'm not sure I've seen any franchise in any sport whine as much as they do.

BmanInBigD · Post #310 » by **BmanInBigD** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:37 pm

Thundestruck wrote:I respect the hell out of the Dallas franchise. They scare me to death on the court and I like watching how they play basketball. At the same time, I would love to beat them just once without someone from their organization complaining about the refs. I'm not sure I've seen any franchise in any sport whine as much as they do.

Wait til you play the Spurs :lol:

OKC_is_my_city · Post #311 » by **OKC_is_my_city** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:37 pm

Thundestruck wrote:I respect the hell out of the Dallas franchise. They scare me to death on the court and I like watching how they play basketball. At the same time, I would love to beat them just once without someone from their organization complaining about the refs. I'm not sure I've seen any franchise in any sport whine as much as they do.

Eh, a lot of them are UT fans... they don't know any better.

Thundestruck · Post #312 » by **Thundestruck** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:47 pm

I know other franchises do it but it is literally every single time we play the Mavs and win either Cuban or Carlisle complains. It is not sour grapes on my part either. I think Cuban is a heck of an owner and Carlisle is a great coach.

BmanInBigD · Post #313 » by **BmanInBigD** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:57 pm

You can't trust what Cuban says. He's like the worst homer fan sitting next to you at a game screaming about every call against his team. Carlisle, however, is much more measured. But what he can't tolerate is the constant holding/grabbing/bumping Dirk gets from some teams before he even has the ball. And he does get mauled a lot just trying to get in position. Now of course he's not as quick as Durant so he has a harder time getting to where he wants when he wants, but that doesn't make it ok to maul him when he tries. Imagine if Marion grabbed and held and mauled KD like that. He'd be at the FT line all night long.

Archerbro · Post #314 » by **Archerbro** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:03 pm

Thundestruck wrote:I respect the hell out of the Dallas franchise. They scare me to death on the court and I like watching how they play basketball. At the same time, I would love to beat them just once without someone from their organization complaining about the refs. I'm not sure I've seen any franchise in any sport whine as much as they do.

if you've ever seen that 06 heat mav series, you'll understand why their fans complain so much.

HotrodBeaubois · Post #315 » by **HotrodBeaubois** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:32 pm

Thundestruck wrote:I respect the hell out of the Dallas franchise. They scare me to death on the court and I like watching how they play basketball. At the same time, I would love to beat them just once without someone from their organization complaining about the refs. I'm not sure I've seen any franchise in any sport whine as much as they do.

Yea it's real easy to not have to bitch about officiating when your team is 2nd in FTA-26.4

Dallas 26th -20.2

Durant 501 FTA
Westbrook 413 FTA
Harden 369 FTA

All 3 Top 10 in FTA

Dirk #12 355 FTA

Dallas next player
Ian Mahinmi #106 147 FTA

The Refs give OKC more calls.

2/1/2012
Thunder win by 9 on the road
Dallas 25 FTA
OKC 33 FTA

Mark Cuban fined $75,000 for complaining about the officiating

Rick Carlisle fined $35,000 for kicking the ball into the stands. Earning him his 2nd technical and ejection in the first 3 minutes of the 4th Quarter.

Next game
3/5/2012
OKC wins by 4 @ Home
Dallas 10 FTA
OKC 33 FTA

Kidd fined $25,000 for complaining about the officiating.

You tell me that game wasn't called different because Dallas complained about the officiating the previous game!! And you can't use the excuse that Dallas was just taking jumpshots and OKC was driving the ball to earn fouls.

Dallas-21 3Pt Attempts
OKC-27 3Pt Attempts
Dallas-38 Pts in the Paint
OKC-28 Pts in the Paint

OKC Top 6 Players
Westbrook-413
Sefolosha -43
Durant-501
Ibaka-118
Perkins-112
Harden-369
1556 FTA

Dallas Top 6 Players
Kidd-28
Carter-115
Marion-93
Dirk-355
Mahinmi-147
Terry-111
849 FTA

I will even toss in the Bench since some of our starters play limited minutes.

Haywood-96
Wright-82
West-70
Roddy-69
1166 FTA

4 game season series OKC 3-1
OKC 124 FTA
Dallas 76 FTA

Game 1 - OKC 2 Pt Win
Game 2 Dal 13 Pt Win
Game 3 OKC 11 Pt Win
Game 4 OKC 4 Pt Win

Oklahoma outscores Dallas by 4 Points in 4 Games but took 48 more FTA.

hironimus · Post #316 » by **hironimus** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:53 pm

at times i think that the refs grant some makeup calls to dirk, because no one else on the mavs team gets some.

terry is averaging not even 2 FTA this season, harden is averaging 6...

marion is even worse, 70% of his shot are in the paint/at the rim, yet he averages just 1.5 FTA

Thundestruck · Post #317 » by **Thundestruck** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:14 pm

First and foremost, no one on Dallas drives all that much. Sorry but if you sit around and shoot jump shots (which they are awesome at) you aren't going to the free throw line much.

Secondly, if you want to look at total free throws attempted as ways to judge reffing in Game 1 OKC shot below their season average and Dallas shot more than their average. Dallas shot more FTs in game one, I guess we got screwed.

I don't mind complaining about reffing but it is every single game with Dallas. They've never lost a game to OKC it is always the refs fault. EVERY SINGLE LOSS. If they lose tonight someone will complain about the refs. No doubt about it.

Dirk gets more than his fair share of calls. I would just like to see the Mavs lose one game without whining.

HotrodBeaubois · Post #318 » by **HotrodBeaubois** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:17 pm

Harden is good and all but come on does he really get that many FTA?

Howard 10.6 FTA-38.3 MPG .277 FT per Min
Love 8.4 FTA -39.0 MPG .215 FT per Min
Lebron 8.1 FTA -37.5 MPG .216 FT per Min
Kobe 7.8 FTA - 38.5 MPG .203 FT per Min
Durant 7.6 FTA - 38.6 MPG .197 FT per Min
Westbrook 6.3 FTA -35.3 MPG .178 FT per Min
Rose 6.1 FTA -35.3 MPG .173 FT per Min
Wade 6.1 FTA -33.2 MPG .184 FT per Min
Harden 6.0 FTA -31.4 MPG .191 FT per Min
Dirk 5.7 FTA -33.5 MPG .170 FT per Min
Bynum 5.6 FTA -35.2 MPG .159 FT per Min
Dwill 5.5 FTA -36.3 MPG .152 FT per Min
Paul 5.0 FTA -36.4 MPG .137 FT per Min
Aldridge 5.0 FTA -36.3 MPG .138 FT per Min

Howard .277 FT Per Min
Lebron .216 FT Per Min
Love .215 FT Per Min
Kobe .203 FT Per Min
Durant .197 FT Per Min
Harden .191 FT Per Min
Wade .184 FT Per Min
Westbrook .178 FT Per Min
Rose .173 FT Per Min

MAVS IN 6 !!!!

Thundestruck · Post #319 » by **Thundestruck** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:20 pm

In last year's playoff series Dirk averaged twice as many FTA as he did during the regular season. Poor Mavs.

lucien · Post #320 » by **lucien** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:55 pm

Dirk also makes more of an effort to be aggressive during the PO's and takes on a larger share of the offense, so it shouldnt surprise when all his numbers are higher, including FTA.

Who wins this series and in how many?