$tats: Bynum vs. D-12

Mamba Venom · Post #1 » by **Mamba Venom** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:04 am

Career highs
Rebounds: Bynum 30 vs. Howard 26
Blocks: Bynum 10 (play-offs) vs. Howard 10 (reg season)
Points: Bynum 42 vs. Howard 45
Free throw attempts: Bynum 12 vs. Howard 39 (Bynum wins due to hack a D-12 strategy working)
Assists: Bynum 6 vs. Howard 7
Steals: Bynum 3 vs. Howard 5
Career 3 point FGA: Bynum 1/9 vs. Howard 1/33*

*Bynum shoots too many 3s but what about D-12 jacking all those up

LaLa · Post #2 » by **LaLa** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:40 am

really dude, u really think Dwight jacks up 3s every game or something. And how about you use Dwight's 2nd best FT attempts lol. Dwight is the superior player, no question.

Base · Post #3 » by **Base** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:02 am

BYNUM
Lakers Record With Bynum: 256-136 (.65306...)
Lakers Record Without Bynum: 108-58 (.65060...)
Lakers Win Differential %: +(0.00245881485)
.002='s about .2 wins more/less with/without Bynum

HOWARD
Magics Record With Howard: 364-257 (.5815....)
Magics Record Without Howard 7-12 (.3684....)
Magics Win Differential %: +(0.217730316)
.217730316= 17.8 Wins more/less with/without Howard.
Small sample size, but what ever. lol

frozt · Post #4 » by **frozt** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:45 am

It's called consistency, if Bynum can attain it then yes, he's in the conversation, but you have to realize Dwight is just an iron man, never gets injured. He is consistently is a one man force on the Defensive side of the ball, he alters the game night in and night out with at least his D, and although his offense is akward/mechanical, it works, and he does it at a great efficiency.

dub81 · Post #5 » by **dub81** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:21 am

frozt wrote:It's called consistency, if Bynum can attain it then yes, he's in the conversation, but you have to realize Dwight is just an iron man, never gets injured. He is consistently is a one man force on the Defensive side of the ball, he alters the game night in and night out with at least his D, and although his offense is akward/mechanical, it works, and he does it at a great efficiency.

This...so let's just stop the conversation please..He's not on Dwight's level yet. But he's getting there.

Stebo_SSK · Post #6 » by **Stebo_SSK** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:29 pm

frozt wrote:It's called consistency, if Bynum can attain it then yes, he's in the conversation, but you have to realize Dwight is just an iron man, never gets injured. He is consistently is a one man force on the Defensive side of the ball, he alters the game night in and night out with at least his D, and although his offense is akward/mechanical, it works, and he does it at a great efficiency.

Thank you! Ive rooting for Bynum just like any other Laker fan and I was never fond of Howard but you have to be honest and objective and say that Howard at this point is the better player. Consistency is the only thing holding Bynum back. He cant be the anchor of the franchise having games where he goes for and 30/12/3blks and then go for 10 pts and 6 rebounds and 0 blocks. Regardless of Howard's issues with SVG and his decision he brings results the majority of his games, something that Bynum has not yet. Next year would be a good time to kick off a real comparision IF Bynum is consistent across the board. Right now the stats may compare somewhat but Bynum is a trend up trend down guy and he plays with players that can cover for his mishaps. D12 doesnt have that.

Imadogg · Post #7 » by **Imadogg** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:47 pm

Why the hell are we using career highs instead of per game, per minute, advanced stats.. anything is better than just using career highs to prove any point. Wtf is this.

Ramon Sessions has a career high of 44 points, make him shoot more since he can score at will like Bynum and Dwight!

Hell why don't you tell us how many 20 rebound games Drew has and how many Dwight has? Or we compared Bynum's blocks in the playoffs compared to Dwight's regular season, lets do that with other stats..

Overall just lazy and unconvincing crap "stats"***

***Unless you were just trying to point out their career highs without an agenda of using them to prove Bynum is better, then it's ok. But I highly doubt that.

Dr Aki · Post #8 » by **Dr Aki** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:26 pm

even if this was trolling, noones serious about comparing players using their outliers

OP you're not serious are you?

Gek · Post #9 » by **Gek** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:00 pm

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =howardw01

Didn't feel like taking the early games out to compute the averages, but I'm pretty sure Howard is still ahead.

Wavy Q · Post #10 » by **Wavy Q** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:38 pm

What is this General Board thread doing on my Lakers board

Speedlot · Post #11 » by **Speedlot** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:14 pm

There isn't anyone in the league I'd take over Dwight. Bynum? I'd trade him for 2nd fiddles like Wade or somethin'

JaVier Mastro · Post #12 » by **JaVier Mastro** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:43 pm

I like Bynum better. I think he's the better center hands down.

Stebo_SSK · Post #13 » by **Stebo_SSK** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:26 pm

JaVier Mastro wrote:I like Bynum better. I think he's the better center hands down.

Its one thing to like Bynum and his game more and even had a credible opinion but its another thing to ignore the facts. Bynum does nothing better than Howard outside of FT shooting. He is more polished on the block but gets locked up in double teams. Howard is a top 5 defensive player in the NBA. Bynum isnt even the best defensive big overall on his team. Howard plays on a team when is the only real threat on the scouting report. Bynum is option 2 or 3 at times. Maybe next year we can have a comparision when Bynum's responsibility level goes up but right now he doesnt have to carry half the weight Howard does.

Jetset · Post #14 » by **Jetset** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:48 pm

Stebo_SSK wrote:
JaVier Mastro wrote:I like Bynum better. I think he's the better center hands down.

Its one thing to like Bynum and his game more and even had a credible opinion but its another thing to ignore the facts. Bynum does nothing better than Howard outside of FT shooting. He is more polished on the block but gets locked up in double teams. Howard is a top 5 defensive player in the NBA. Bynum isnt even the best defensive big overall on his team. Howard plays on a team when is the only real threat on the scouting report. Bynum is option 2 or 3 at times. Maybe next year we can have a comparision when Bynum's responsibility level goes up but right now he doesnt have to carry half the weight Howard does.

This for the most part, although I think Bynum is better in every facet on offense. But what must also be factored in is that Bynum is on the court with two hall of famers, whereas Howard is by himself as you alluded to. Until Bynum has success carrying a team on his lonesome and being solely game planned against like Howard, I honestly don't see how one could even make a fair comparison between the two.

Post #15 » by **snaquille oatmeal** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:52 pm

Stephano wrote:What is this General Board thread doing on my Lakers board

I don't know, but it wouldn't be same without the mandatory:

Bynum: 10 13 10
D12: DNP

Doormatt · Post #16 » by **Doormatt** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:32 pm

JaVier Mastro wrote:I like Bynum better. I think he's the better center hands down.

holy ****

Mamba Venom · Post #17 » by **Mamba Venom** » Tue May 1, 2012 5:28 am

At this moment in time D-12 is better. But IF Bynum works w/ a defensive coach - Bynum has a chance to catch/pass D-12.

Bynum got those #s w/o while sharing the ball w/ Kobe, Gasol, Artest and Sessions and while battling Gasol for rebounds. Dwight was battling Anderson for rebounds and had the team run through him.

But in a few years when D-12 is 29 and Bynum is 27 - Bynum will be the better center. It could happen as soon as next season with continued growth.

Mamba Venom · Post #18 » by **Mamba Venom** » Tue May 1, 2012 5:30 am

OT: D-12 has been staying in LA the last 3 weeks and reportedly loves this city. LAL and LAC just became his favorite places.

Otis is coming to visit his (kid) player (Otis' words) and remind him about the Magic and Orlando. I really think D-12 never goes back.

Dr Aki · Post #19 » by **Dr Aki** » Tue May 1, 2012 6:06 am

Mamba Venom wrote:OT: D-12 has been staying in LA the last 3 weeks and reportedly loves this city. LAL and LAC just became his favorite places.

Otis is coming to visit his (kid) player (Otis' words) and remind him about the Magic and Orlando. I really think D-12 never goes back.

like there was any hope of otis convincing dwight to stay in orlando long term anyway

One Love · Post #20 » by **One Love** » Tue May 1, 2012 5:04 pm

Lets ENJOY the playoffs... No mre Bynum Versus Howard talk...