Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Kendall Marshall

DA_SCOUT · Post #41 » by **DA_SCOUT** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:30 am

lolwut wrote:Ah, this video reminds me of why I don't watch NCAA ball.

LOL wut @ your sig... Irving an avg starter? you should change that asap.

As for Marshall, I like what he brings and I was lucky enough to catch a bunch of UNC games this year (mainly to scout HB40..who seems like a pipe dream now

) BUT he is a terrific passer. His passing ability alone will make a player like Jonas better.

My question to all Raptor fans is this...

Hybrid PG or Playmaker or SF ?

for me I'm interested in Lillard a bit more than Marshall just for his ability to get into the paint and score, he's absolutely fearless and with the amount of FTA he had, his FT% is sick!

I feel like Lillard has a ton of skill, most of which can be translated into the NBA...I only wish he played in a tougher division ughh...BUT that being said, had he played for a better team and produced, he probably wouldn't be available at 8.

As of right now at the 8th spot, i have PJ III > Lillard > Marshall

with Lillard making me a bigger fan by each day that passes.

TopCat57 · Post #42 » by **TopCat57** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:03 pm

I love Marshall. He is the quarterback on the floor getting the ball to all of his scoring options at the right time. This guy has Nash, Kidd, and Stockton like passing abilities. He is not selfish and looks to make every player on the floor better. He is the only guy I see in this draft that can have an immediate impact on the Raptors.

If he wins the starting job, I can see the Raptors easily making the playoffs within the next 2 year. Especially, if Bryan can up grade the small forward position through free agency and bring in some solid bench scorers. This guy is a no brainier for number 7 or 8 pick. I would even draft him higher because of the impact he will have making every player on this team better.

I believe Bryan will love this guy because he will be able to quarterback a run and gun offense or slow the team down depending on circumstances. To me this guy has a nice upside if you look at the qualities he presently has in basketball IQ and superior passing abilities. Then he will be able to work on his shooting and defense. Something Casey and his staff will help him with. However, I got a feeling this guy may start moving up in the draft once he starts doing personal workouts and teams get to see close up his classic point guard skills and high basketball IQ.

thunderforce · Post #43 » by **thunderforce** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:12 pm

Not sure where BC is going to go with this pick but I do trust BC whatever he does he seems to be a good judge of who to take .

ansoncarter · Post #44 » by **ansoncarter** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:14 pm

dballislife wrote:also he will be torched by the speed, power and athleticism of todays PGs

35yr old lindsey hunter with wonkey knees was one of the best defensive pgs in the league. Kirk hinrich was always a good defensive player

etc, etc, etc.

meanwhile a ton of athletic guards who are complete pylons

no idea if marshall will play defence but if he fails it won't be because of athleticism. Been proven a zillion times over that there's more to defence than athleticism.

dagger · Post #45 » by **dagger** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:14 pm

Brinbe wrote:
Perhaps if he was from Spain and named Kendally Marshallio people would be more excited.

Not on this board, they would be wailing and moaning about soft Euros. I like Marshall, and he does remind me - at the very least - of where Jose was when he entered the league. Jose, if people here can't remember, was a poor shooter as a rookie and looked like he wouldn't see the end of his three year deal. But he got his shot up to above-average levels, making him a very dangerous pick and roll guy.

I suspect Marshall can do the same, it's the defence that concerns me more, because that takes a degree of athleticism I'm not sure he has. Sure, Steve Nash - another name people bring up in association with Marshall - is a weak defender, but let's face it, his offensive brilliance is such that he can get away with it.

I'm of the view Lillard is the better pick, but if Marshall earns it, I'll be happy to be proven wrong about his D. He has the rest of what it takes to be a well above-average starting point guard. Even the Andre Miller comparison might not do him justice. I see Marshall as the better leader. And since Casey wants to mix in more up-temp game starting next year, Marshall is a good man to lead it.

TopCat57 · Post #46 » by **TopCat57** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:27 pm

I think a guy like Lillard is going to be looking to get his shots all the time. That will leave the other scores on the team standing around and stagnating the offense. On the other hand, a guy like Marshall will be looking to get other guys involved resulting in a better offensive flow. Guys will be rushing down the floor and moving knowing that if they are open and in a good position to score he will find them.

torsport · Post #47 » by **torsport** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:49 pm

I like this pick at 8. Watching Marshall this season. It wasn't that he couldn't score. He was scoring at will when UNC needed him to in the tournament. I think he chose not to score to defer to his teammates. I think his skills will translate well in the pros. The Jose and Miller comparisons are apt on the offensive end. I think he's stronger, bigger and quicker than both of them. Not greatly, but enough. Defensively I see him more of a Snow, Jack and Alvin Williams type of player. Nothing flashy, but smart, stay in front of his man and keep a hand in the face defender. I also think his impact will be more immediate and he won't be the project Bargs, Davis and Derozen have been.

ballislife · Post #48 » by **ballislife** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:27 am

I would love to have him as our future PG. If the guy can get almost 10 apg in the NCAA, just imagine what he'd do with a bunch of NBA guys surrounding him. I think he can be a league leader in assists. He seems like a guy BC will fall in love with based on the need we have at PG and the kids attitude. He's a 6'4" PG with elite floor vision - that's enticing. If we bring him in, I wouldn't mind keeping Jose here as his mentor for one year (until Jose's contract is up and Marshall can take over full-time). If we draft him, we need to sign or trade for a future SF.

In all, I see Marshall as one of the best players out of this draft (probably top 5-6). Definitely the best PG. Hope we grab him.

ballislife · Post #49 » by **ballislife** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:47 am

http://nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft

The Marshall running the point for Toronto? Someone make a Marshall sig... haven't seen a passing PG like him since Rubio.

JamesNaismith · Post #50 » by **JamesNaismith** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:01 pm

I seriously hang it up as a Raps fan if we draft Marshall.

Do not want a worse shooting version of Calderon.

Brinbe · Post #51 » by **Brinbe** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:36 pm

JamesNaismith wrote:I seriously hang it up as a Raps fan if we draft Marshall.

Do not want a worse shooting version of Calderon.

What the hell are you talking about? Just because he doesn't shoot doesn't mean he can't shoot. What a bunch of nonsense.

Merit · Post #52 » by **Merit** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:12 pm

I have no problem with drafting Marshall if we get a late pick or trade down. If for example we get a top 3 pick, and portland sends us both NJ's pick and its own. The same applies to Utah. We can trade for a PG but there aren't many 3's available, imo.

U_Mad · Post #53 » by **U_Mad** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:13 pm

TopCat57 wrote:I think a guy like Lillard is going to be looking to get his shots all the time. That will leave the other scores on the team standing around and stagnating the offense. On the other hand, a guy like Marshall will be looking to get other guys involved resulting in a better offensive flow. Guys will be rushing down the floor and moving knowing that if they are open and in a good position to score he will find them.

This is prolly my biggest concern about drafting a shot happy pg

goinrogue · Post #54 » by **goinrogue** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:08 pm

I think Marshall might be one of the sleepers of the draft. People keep comparing him to a worse shooting Calderon, but I disagree. Jose is an extremely over-rated playmaker. He gets a lot of his assists by being ball dominant and holding the ball late into the shot clock and because he doesn't have the foot speed to pass by anyone, he will sit and wait for the offense to set itself up. If he can't find anyone, rather than create offense, he will just pass it to someone no one is covering - remember the amount of times he would dish it to Reggie Evans? I could go on and on about how over-rated Jose is offensively but that's not my point.
Marshall gives up the balll early in the shot clock and, unlike Jose, he has a number of passes in his arsenal - Jose really only has the pick 'n roll. I think Marshall would be a very good pick and comparing his passing ability to Calderon is an insult.

Kenyon009 · Post #55 » by **Kenyon009** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:18 pm

What the raptors need is a defensive stopper at the one. It's the first line of defense once it's broken the rest of the team collapses. You don't need a true point guard instead get a playmaker at the three. This is why I want the team to get a guy like Lamb and then Eventually trade DeRozan for a guy that can be a stopper at the one and attack the basket. An examples could be Teague and then you sign a guy in fa like iggy.

Val
Bargnani
Igudala
Lamb
Teague

DA_SCOUT · Post #56 » by **DA_SCOUT** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:38 pm

JamesNaismith wrote:I seriously hang it up as a Raps fan if we draft Marshall.
Do not want a worse shooting version of Calderon.

LOLL you know you won't, if you're going just by stats then yeah sure he's not a good scorer but torsport said it better than I could've.

torsport wrote:I like this pick at 8. Watching Marshall this season. It wasn't that he couldn't score. He was scoring at will when UNC needed him to in the tournament. I think he chose not to score to defer to his teammates. I think his skills will translate well in the pros

I also think his impact will be more immediate and he won't be the project Bargs, Davis and Derozen have been.

Naismith I know you're depressed that we're going from Barnes to Lamb to Marshall, but the more I think about it, it could be the right fit. With Calderon done after next year, and Marshall running the 1, I think a lot of our players will get better ESPECIALLY Valanciunas. His passing is superb, and it's not like he can't shoot either (Rondo). Due to everyone (GMs) looking for the player that can score the most or impact the game the most defensively, he could be overlooked. This is going to be a very very interesting draft

So Clutch · Post #57 » by **So Clutch** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:42 pm

Marshall Marshall Marshall

At 8, I think he is BPA. As has been said - good size, BBIQ, passing, most of all is a floor general and manages the game. With the personnel going into next season, we need a distributor to manage our weapons. Despite what we have been watching the majority of the season with injuries and D-League lineups we do have a lot of offensive talent who can score in bunches if they get the ball in good spots. I can't think of a better player to get Bargs easy jumpers (as he did Barnes at UNC), find DD off cuts and screens, and be willing to throw post up passes to Val and find him under the basket (which he has done for Zeller and Henson).

With Jose expiring this season, finding a reliable starting point will allow us to finally move him for assets or even let him expire without a major blip in running our offense. Shooters are a dime a dozen, we need a facilitator at our pick.

I think there is definitely room for improvement with regards to his shooting - he was scoring and shooting much better as the season went on. He may be the Rubio type player we were all hoping for (albeit less flare) and look at the impact that Rubio had despite his horrendous shooting. Everyone gets all excited about finding the next DRose and Westbrook, don't forget the Rondos, Kidds, Rubios that are also having major impact mainly with their passing, playmaking (and defence).

Reignman · Post #58 » by **Reignman** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:52 pm

I love Marshall but unlike the rest I'm not concerned with his shot or his ability to play D (Casey made Jose look like an average defender, nuff said).

My main concern is his lack of speed and he's not really a guy that has a bunch of hesitation dribbles. I'm concerned he's going to have a hard time getting in the paint.

Work outs should shed some light there but that's where I'd be concerned. If he can't get in the paint consistenly his playmaking abilities will be diminished.

S.W.A.N · Post #59 » by **S.W.A.N** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:16 pm

If Marshall has good workouts, I could see him being the pick

gotta show that he can defend and shoot well enough that pick and roll works properly

goinrogue · Post #60 » by **goinrogue** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:27 pm

Reignman wrote:I love Marshall but unlike the rest I'm not concerned with his shot or his ability to play D (Casey made Jose look like an average defender, nuff said).

My main concern is his lack of speed and he's not really a guy that has a bunch of hesitation dribbles. I'm concerned he's going to have a hard time getting in the paint.

Work outs should shed some light there but that's where I'd be concerned. If he can't get in the paint consistenly his playmaking abilities will be diminished.

I'm worried about this, too - this is the same reason why Jose hasn't put a pinky toe inside the paint in three years. :lol:

That being said, unlike Jose, Marshall is extremely creative, which is why I think he might be OK despite his lack of speed.

If still on the Board by our pick what are the chanches we draft him?