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UFC on Fox: Diaz vs. Miller (5/5) Discussion Thread 

Post#1 » by SDM » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:04 pm

Nate Diaz vs. Jim Miller
Johny Hendricks vs. Josh Koscheck
Alan Belcher vs. Rousimar Palhares
Pat Barry vs. Lavar Johnson
Tony Ferguson vs. Michael Johnson
John Dodson vs. Tim Elliott
John Hathaway vs. Pascal Krauss
Louis Gaudinot vs. John Lineker
Danny Castillo vs. John Cholish
Dennis Bermudez vs. Pablo Garza
Roland Delorme vs. Nick Denis
Mike Massenzio vs. Karlos Vemola


Can't find the thread for this (was one even created?), please merge if one was created. This is coming up on Saturday and I'm stoked.

Things to watch:

- How rusty is Belcher? This is only his second fight in the last two years and Palhares is a step up over J-Mac. Can he keep his legs out of harm's way?

- Vemola, after initially looking like a tank at 235, then looking like a tank at 205, is down to MW for this fight.

- Nick Denis will show why he is the most violent man in MMA after he hospitalizes Delorme. Do not miss his fights if you haven't seen him yet... he's a finisher's finisher and brutally KO'd his last two opponents.

- Lots of prospects on this card... Ferguson gets a step up in competition, Gaudinot at 125, Dodson at 125. Diaz/Miller, Kos/Hendricks and Barry/Johnson will be wars (or wrestle **** ings).
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Post#2 » by Gold Chain » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:47 pm

Couple thoughts.

I hope Belcher destroys Palhares. He's a dirty fighter and a guy who aims to put guys out of the money-making game. Do him in, Alan.

Hendricks is in really tough vs Koscheck. I think with the Fitch knockout and his headgames, I think this might be too much of a step-up for JH right now.

If there is a way, I hope Diaz can win this. Maybe a sub? Miller is good, yup, but I really don't want to see him get a title shot. Either guy is losing to B. Hend, Edgar again as well, so at least Diaz will make it fun.

Johnson vs Barry is fun but has absolutely no bearing on rankings imo.
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Post#3 » by REDDzone » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:54 pm

Wait, Vemola at MW. WTF that's unreal. Wasn't he fighting Jon Madsen like a year ago? lol

Hendricks will defeat Koscheck imo. I honestly don't think Koscheck will be the same, he has looked so tentative in his last few fights. Doesn't like being hit anymore, especially around that Fed up orbital, and Hendricks is heavy handed.

Diaz/Miller...hard to predict since its 5 rounds. If it were 3 I'd go Miller, now I'm not so sure.
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Post#4 » by SDM » Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:23 pm

REDDzone wrote:Wait, Vemola at MW. WTF that's unreal. Wasn't he fighting Jon Madsen like a year ago? lol

Hendricks will defeat Koscheck imo. I honestly don't think Koscheck will be the same, he has looked so tentative in his last few fights. Doesn't like being hit anymore, especially around that Fed up orbital, and Hendricks is heavy handed.

Diaz/Miller...hard to predict since its 5 rounds. If it were 3 I'd go Miller, now I'm not so sure.


Agree on Hendricks, I think it's a KO. Kos' standup is very predictable while Hendricks' left hand comes from a variety of angles and positions and Kos didn't seem to react well when Pierce hit him. Wrestling should cancel out. I think this fight is the beginning of the end for Kos. He's going to lose this, then another one or two fights and call it a day.

With Miller/Diaz, this is a match up fight. Miller is too well-rounded and durable for 99% of the division. He should be faster on the feet, he's definitely a better wrestler, and his BJJ is comparable. I don't think Miller's going to have a problem in the cardio department and you know Diaz won't. He's only lost to the top guys in the division who can combine striking with top control. Diaz doesn't have the tools to beat him unless his TD defense has improved and the speed gap on the feed isn't as pronounced as I think it will be.
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Post#5 » by REDDzone » Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:30 pm

I agree, I think the beginning of the end for Kos was the first round of the GSP fight. IMO he lost to Pierce, and you say how he didn't react well to being hit by Pierce, hell he didn't react well to being hit by Matt Hughes lol.

As for the second part, I agree about Diaz not having the tdd etc but I'm having a hard time seeing Miller being able to put Diaz into any vulnerable positions on the ground. And Diaz seems to be able to punch punch punch no matter what position he's in. I don't think Miller would gas out on his own merits, don't get me wrong, but man, 25 minutes with Nate Diaz is a ton of punches to be taking. Really pumped for this fight.

Bottom line for me is that both guys are super super tough and borderline un-submittable. Something has got to give.
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Post#6 » by cowboyronnie » Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:16 pm

Awesome card! Even I know the prospects - Dodson, Garza, Denis, Ferguson (looked amazing in his last fight, improving his movement hugely)...

What's Kos even gonna do? Guys with one punch KO power, he usually puts it on the ground. Guys with awesome grappling, he one punch KOs. He's gonna be at a loss for path of least resistance here. Maybe he drops to 155 after this. Are the odds hugely against him? Cos, yeah, can't see how it wins this.
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Post#7 » by Cammo101 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:20 pm

I think we may see a new and improved Kos this weekend. Just a hunch.
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Post#8 » by Gold Chain » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:21 pm

I really think if he hadn't of popped Fitch real quick, he'd have lost to him.

I see Koschek winning with 'rasslin and subbing JH.

I do agree he looked bad against Pierce, he won because he was the name.
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Post#9 » by REDDzone » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:24 pm

Isn't Hendricks one of the few guys in MMA who can match Kos's mma credentials? I'm not really sure he gets outwrestled by Kos.
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Post#10 » by SDM » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:28 pm

REDDzone wrote:Isn't Hendricks one of the few guys in MMA who can match Kos's mma credentials? I'm not really sure he gets outwrestled by Kos.


On paper he matches them, but that's not the whole story. Hendricks was bullied by Story, who isn't as good of a wrestler as Kos, but that's not Kos' style either... Story rushes and traps against the cage, Kos thinks he's a boxer. Story's also a HUGE WW and Kos isn't. I think Hendricks' MMA wrestling is overrated, it just hasn't come around as well as it did for early Kos or Fitch... but the power is legit. Sadollah, Fitch, Waldburger, and Brenneman all got finished by that left hand... I think that's the difference maker, especially against a guy with previous orbital/getting hit in the face issues.
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Post#11 » by Cammo101 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:18 pm

On paper it certainly looks like a bad fight for Kos. I just feel like he is not going to come out and have a 3rd stinker in 3 fights. I also think Hendricks is somewhat overrated based on him beating Fitch.
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Post#12 » by REDDzone » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:23 pm

Cammo101 wrote:On paper it certainly looks like a bad fight for Kos. I just feel like he is not going to come out and have a 3rd stinker in 3 fights. I also think Hendricks is somewhat overrated based on him beating Fitch.


It'd be 4 if you went back to getting jab-f***ed by GSP. :D

Was Kos at his new camp for his last fight? Maybe that helps him, otherwise I'm not sure.
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Post#13 » by Cammo101 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:27 pm

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Cammo101 wrote:On paper it certainly looks like a bad fight for Kos. I just feel like he is not going to come out and have a 3rd stinker in 3 fights. I also think Hendricks is somewhat overrated based on him beating Fitch.


It'd be 4 if you went back to getting jab-f***ed by GSP. :D

Was Kos at his new camp for his last fight? Maybe that helps him, otherwise I'm not sure.


Wasn't Pierce his first fight after GSP?
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Post#14 » by cowboyronnie » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:51 pm

Kos was still with prev camp but I don't think Cook cornered him. There was some drama in the actual training for it, I believe.
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Post#15 » by REDDzone » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:20 pm

Cammo101 wrote:Wasn't Pierce his first fight after GSP?


Stepped in for Diego against Hughes.
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Post#16 » by Cammo101 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:30 pm

REDDzone wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:Wasn't Pierce his first fight after GSP?


Stepped in for Diego against Hughes.


That's right. He looked great that night. Completely forgot that fight even happened.
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Post#17 » by REDDzone » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:02 pm

I think we have different memories of that fight. He was legit thrown off by the standup of Matt Hughes for awhile. I don't think he looked good at all.
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Post#18 » by Cammo101 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:14 pm

REDDzone wrote:I think we have different memories of that fight. He was legit thrown off by the standup of Matt Hughes for awhile. I don't think he looked good at all.


I only vaguely remember it, but I thought he KOed Hughes early.
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Post#19 » by REDDzone » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:25 pm

It was a first round KO, shrugged off a few TDs and got the KO iirc. That said, he looked hesitant. Have no idea if his orbital is better now than it was then (he was a late replacement), or if it was a mental hurdle that he is now over, but I remember him looking uncomfortable on the feet. Different than he usually does. Honestly probably a mental hurdle if anything.
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Post#20 » by Cammo101 » Tue May 1, 2012 12:47 am

The thing about Kos is that he has always been a gamer. He is the kind of guy who comes out after a bad effort and tends to show up.

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