Why not play Snider and Thames and bench/trade Rasmus?

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Morosi weighs in on Snider vs Thames.

@jonmorosi
To me, #BlueJays need to make a decision: Give Thames or Snider the job and trade the other one for pitching. Enough of the uncertainty.

@jonmorosi
Don’t get me wrong. Eric Thames deserves the job. It’s just hard to believe Snider is not at the point where he is a definite big leaguer.

@jonmorosi
@aaront5 Yes, Snider should be (a) made the everyday LF or (b) traded. He has nothing left to prove in the minors.

@jonmorosi
@seancole22 Disagree. You could get good value for Travis Snider right now. Having a good spring and just turned 24. 24!

@jonmorosi
#BlueJays approach with Travis Snider has gone between hyper-aggressive and hyper-conservative. Make a call and move forward

@jonmorosi
@willash22 Travis Snider for Kris Medlen makes sense, in my opinion. Don’t know if dialogue has started. #BlueJays #Braves

@jonmorosi
@blaineblontz Not out of the question that the Jays compete for a wild card berth this year.

@jonmorosi
@colterwood Thames deserves the job, as I said. My point is the organization owes Snider a definitive decision.

@jonmorosi
@mhobson12 On the contrary. The option makes Snider more appealing in a trade. Ability + change of scenery can be good. Ask Jose Bautista.

[SharoneWright]

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Its true. The organization is going to need to get into the habit of making clear and decisive calls in situations like this. How Snider has been handled/damaged is bad enough on its own. Just wait, though, for when our glut of minor league pitchers become big-league ready. We can't fiddle around yo-yoing these guys, reducing their value and affecting their confidence. Now that AA has been able to identify good draft prospects, he's going to need to be able to follow through and shrewdly and definitively identify the keepers and parlay the rest.

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[Randle McMurphy]

Not unlike the time you bet on the Orioles, you haven't thought through this idea at all.

[jrsmith]

Snider + Thames everyday outfield best case scenario = mediocrity. Rasmus gives you a chance at something more. It also doesn't make any sense to give up on him just because he didn't explode the moment he put on a jays uniform.

Also this doesn't get brought up enough so people probably don't share the same opinion with me but Thames was absolutely dreadful in left last year, apart from a couple of nice catches he made from being out of position in the first place. The routes, reads, throws he made were just awful. I'd prefer the defense of our cf to be better than "he can get by".

[Leolovinliberal]

Not unlike the time you bet on the Orioles, you haven't thought through this idea at all.

Hey, at least I admit when I'm wrong. Last year, I asked you for an example of when you were wrong, and you wouldn't come up with one. Lemme ask you this, if Rasmus continues on this pace, will you admit that you were wrong about him?

[flatjacket1]

2) rasmus is a 1st round pick, more potential than thames and better or equal than snider.

Just because he was a first round pick doesn't mean he has "more potential". Pujols was drafted 402nd overall, Kemp was 181st overall, and Ian Kinsler was 496th overall.

The draft is pointless when comparing players, especially due to the crap-shoot nature.

As for the post, I think it makes more sense to trade Thames and call up Snider than trading Colby.

Also, Bautista's days in RF are numbered so we naturally will have a need there. I still think the ideal thing to do is call up Snider to play RF, move Bautista to 1B and trade Lind.

[nonc]

Snider + Thames everyday outfield best case scenario = mediocrity. Rasmus gives you a chance at something more. It also doesn't make any sense to give up on him just because he didn't explode the moment he put on a jays uniform.

so true, this thread is a joke. Rasmus is among the least of our concerns; an elite centre fielder and you'll get just as much out of his bat as what Snider has shown in the majors.

[Leolovinliberal]

Snider + Thames everyday outfield best case scenario = mediocrity. Rasmus gives you a chance at something more. It also doesn't make any sense to give up on him just because he didn't explode the moment he put on a jays uniform.

so true, this thread is a joke. Rasmus is among the least of our concerns; an elite centre fielder and you'll get just as much out of his bat as what Snider has shown in the majors.

How? Other than Lind and Joey Bats, who else is a higher concern offensively than Colby?

[Leolovinliberal]

2) rasmus is a 1st round pick, more potential than thames and better or equal than snider.

Just because he was a first round pick doesn't mean he has "more potential". Pujols was drafted 402nd overall, Kemp was 181st overall, and Ian Kinsler was 496th overall.

The draft is pointless when comparing players, especially due to the crap-shoot nature.

As for the post, I think it makes more sense to trade Thames and call up Snider than trading Colby.

Also, Bautista's days in RF are numbered so we naturally will have a need there. I still think the ideal thing to do is call up Snider to play RF, move Bautista to 1B and trade Lind.

That's not a bad idea, but how is Colby better offensively than Eric? At this point, I'd package Colby, Lind and Morrow for a top of the line pitcher and a prospect, call up Snider and Cooper and see how the two young guys do.

[Attonitus]

Just stop biting on these trolls and maybe they will go away, or the mods will actually do something about them. Otherwise I might as well start a jackass thread everyday like "why don't we move Mathis in to the cleanup spot" or "let's trade lawrie for a sack of potatoes".

[nonc]

Snider + Thames everyday outfield best case scenario = mediocrity. Rasmus gives you a chance at something more. It also doesn't make any sense to give up on him just because he didn't explode the moment he put on a jays uniform.

so true, this thread is a joke. Rasmus is among the least of our concerns; an elite centre fielder and you'll get just as much out of his bat as what Snider has shown in the majors.

How? Other than Lind and Joey Bats, who else is a higher concern offensively than Colby?

offense doesn't make a player, offense and defense does. are you really this simple-minded?

Lind, Jose, JPA, Escobar are doing a lot less at the plate. you could argue Johnson. that's more than half the lineup. like i said, not a concern. r u new to baseball? lol

[nonc]

Just stop biting on these trolls and maybe they will go away, or the mods will actually do something about them. Otherwise I might as well start a jackass thread everyday like "why don't we move Mathis in to the cleanup spot" or "let's trade lawrie for a sack of potatoes".

i'm not sure this one is a troll, just legit dense.

[flatjacket1]

That's not a bad idea, but how is Colby better offensively than Eric? At this point, I'd package Colby, Lind and Morrow for a top of the line pitcher and a prospect, call up Snider and Cooper and see how the two young guys do.

I never meant to infer that. Eric is a great bat offensively but that will always be weighed down by the truck load of runs he surrenders defensively. Colby does hit a lot of line drives and is under performing at the moment, should improve a bit. He is not playing at true talent level, but he's been consistent defensively. I'd say hes worth more runs than Thames just because the defensive side of the ball is insane. Normally you can make up more runs with your bat than your glove easily, but Thames is pushing the boundaries of that.

I'd do the same (assuming the pitcher is J. Parker level with max control and renewable years). I am a big believer in giving Cooper at least 300 AB's to see what he can do before we trade him. Could boost his value a bit. Snider is a much better player than Thames so we'd make up ground there as well.

At the moment I wouldn't not trade anybody. We are at the level where we need to start condensing talent. I have 1 jersey and it is an Escobar jersey, but I'm down to trade him in a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 to get a big bat/ front of the rotation starter assuming that he is young and controllable.

[Leolovinliberal]

Just stop biting on these trolls and maybe they will go away, or the mods will actually do something about them. Otherwise I might as well start a jackass thread everyday like "why don't we move Mathis in to the cleanup spot" or "let's trade lawrie for a sack of potatoes".

i'm not sure this one is a troll, just legit dense.

Can you post without insulting someone? You immediately marginalize yourself when you name call in every post simply because the poster has an opinion that differs from your own.

P.S. 65 posts in 6 days? Slow down champ, you're gonna suffer from burn out.

[Randle McMurphy]

Hey, at least I admit when I'm wrong.

Yeah, but only after you tried to deny it repeatedly.

Last year, I asked you for an example of when you were wrong, and you wouldn't come up with one.

That doesn't seem likely. Ricky Romero's emergence as a good starter and Jose Bautista's emergence as the best hitter in the game stand out in particular as things that I didn't expect (and things that I was wrong about).

Lemme ask you this, if Rasmus continues on this pace, will you admit that you were wrong about him?

How could I be wrong about him? I never made any sort of prediction about his production. The point of playing Rasmus is to see whether he fulfills his potential...potential that Thames and even Snider don't have. That's the entire purpose of this season. That's why this thread wasn't well-thought out.

[nonc]

Just stop biting on these trolls and maybe they will go away, or the mods will actually do something about them. Otherwise I might as well start a jackass thread everyday like "why don't we move Mathis in to the cleanup spot" or "let's trade lawrie for a sack of potatoes".

i'm not sure this one is a troll, just legit dense.

Can you post without insulting someone? You immediately marginalize yourself when you name call in every post simply because the poster has an opinion that differs from your own.

P.S. 65 posts in 6 days? Slow down champ, you're gonna suffer from burn out.

do you really wanna go that route, Mr. 4500+ posts? i guarantee i will never accumulate that. further, you completely fail to recognize the fact that this goes beyond my own opinion, as it's easy to recognize this was my response to someone who thinks the user in question is a troll! you just enjoy internet police and defending posters referred to as "trolls?" OK..