Ryan Anderson Playing Disappearing Act: Is It Good For Us

[The Real Dalic]

he played bad against the top teams in the east and he hasn't played well in the playoffs, again..
do we risk our future cap space by giving him a large contract? or go with big baby and spend the money on a wing player?

I would prefer re-signing Anderson and then re-tooling. Trade Baby and JRich for expirings, say Baby for Jarret Jack and JRich for Webster, and then going for cap space the following offseason to sign Ellis or someone of that ilk. I don't think that Baby compliments Dwight well at all, and the numbers tend to back this up.

If we can get rid of our bad contracts I'm all for re-signing Anderson. I personally don't think BBD would work really well with Dwight either. But we still can't overpay him.

[thelead]

he played bad against the top teams in the east and he hasn't played well in the playoffs, again..
do we risk our future cap space by giving him a large contract? or go with big baby and spend the money on a wing player?

I would prefer re-signing Anderson and then re-tooling. Trade Baby and JRich for expirings, say Baby for Jarret Jack and JRich for Webster, and then going for cap space the following offseason to sign Ellis or someone of that ilk. I don't think that Baby compliments Dwight well at all, and the numbers tend to back this up.

Trade the only healthy guy on this roster that gives 100% and plays defense every night?
In lieu of someone who does not play well against playoff teams?
We have run out of time waiting for potential. Let Ryan walk, let Jameer walk, trade Hedo with a pick and cash, trade JRich to Minny for an expiring. With the money saved, go sign Iggy and Ellis and roll with:
Dwight
BBD
Iggy
Redick
Ellis

That's much better than tying big money to Ryan and having
Dwight
Ryan
Iggy
Redick
Jameer

Or

Dwight
Ryan
QRich
Redick
Ellis

[Bensational]

Ryan is playing bad. He is missing shots, playing bad defense, and not rebounding at his season norms.

Yet, his regular season was historic, the best offensive rebounding stretch four in NBA History (stretch fours don't exactly have the deepest history, but still).

We aren't Talking about building around Ryan, but building around Dwight, and we know that the stretch four is a terrific compliment to his game.

we're also talking about building a championship teams - and championship teams have players that show up consistently.

Ryan is consistent, unless you know something about being our teams second leading scorer and rebounder that I don't. Or him leading the league in three's attempted and made, and having had the longest three point streak in the NBA this past season.

Could he do better in these first two games? Sure, of course he could. But it isn't worth rewriting his regular season over. Plus, we still have games to play.

I know that Ryan doesn't play as well against elite teams as he does against poor teams. I know he's yet to show up in a playoff performance. And most of all, I know you can't determine a player's consistency by looking at their averages.

[crazytown]

Did Otis get fired?

If not then there's a 90% chance he'll overpay for Ryno

[p0peye]

I said it before in another thread, before this one was opened, that so far Ryan has proved to dissapear in playoffs.

I'm not questioning his performance in regular season, nor that he will provide a nice PER in this system (with Dwight) next year too.

Barring Otis likely blunder when it comes to resigning, we should either sign him to a contract like BBDs (making him a trade asset) or let him go to whatever team decides to overpay.

[WeAreVenom]

we're also talking about building a championship teams - and championship teams have players that show up consistently.

Ryan is consistent, unless you know something about being our teams second leading scorer and rebounder that I don't. Or him leading the league in three's attempted and made, and having had the longest three point streak in the NBA this past season.

Could he do better in these first two games? Sure, of course he could. But it isn't worth rewriting his regular season over. Plus, we still have games to play.

I know that Ryan doesn't play as well against elite teams as he does against poor teams. I know he's yet to show up in a playoff performance. And most of all, I know you can't determine a player's consistency by looking at their averages.

I have been a pretty staunch Ryan defender, but I have to agree with this......Ryan has played this disappearing act pretty consistently come playoff time.

[eyriq]

Using RealGM metrics Ryan: Six Sweater Vests to one Dunce Cap.

He's received the second most recognition for helping us win games, second only to Dwight, and he has only cost us one game, but he is wildly inconsistent worthy of scorn? I don't think so. By every measure he is easily our second best player and he has been doing it all year, with or without Dwight.

What his no shows should tell us is that he is not a good first option or go to player. Thing is, with Dwight we aren't looking for a first option as Dwight has that covered. We need a hyper-efficient sidekick and an all star level setup man. Ryan clearly checks off one of those boxes.

[magicman123]

Lol you still think he's a 2nd option or even a side kick..he's a 4th option complementary piece, maybe

[JNelson43]

I don't think someone performing poorly in the playoffs is ever really a good thing, especially in this type of situation. Ryan has put up good enough numbers all year and there's been enough mitigating circumstances to excuse any poor performance at this point, you know somebody's going to pay him.

[mhectorgato]

Using RealGM metrics Ryan: Six Sweater Vests to one Dunce Cap.

He's received the second most recognition for helping us win games, second only to Dwight, and he has only cost us one game, but he is wildly inconsistent worthy of scorn? I don't think so. By every measure he is easily our second best player and he has been doing it all year, with or without Dwight.

What his no shows should tell us is that he is not a good first option or go to player. Thing is, with Dwight we aren't looking for a first option as Dwight has that covered. We need a hyper-efficient sidekick and an all star level setup man. Ryan clearly checks off one of those boxes.

What D12 needs as a sidekick is 2 or 3 that can create for themselves, imo.

That's not what Ryan is. He certainly compliments D12 giving him space and hopefully drawing away 4s that would normally double team Dwight.

The SG/SF that can create for themselves would also play off the spacing created by D12. That player would also be able to give D12 dump offs. If that player was also a good outside shot, then would also create space for D12.

For me the ideal sidekick would be D.Wade, with Ryno at the 4

[Mr13A]

I'm gonna go ahead and predict a 20+/10+ night for Ryan tonight. I predict he's going to get a lot of offensive rebounds and make 4 threes.
He's the type of guy that plays well under his home crowd.
He gets the vest.

BOOK IT.
I believe in Ryno.

[Roseability]

Two games does not a series make.

[ChildishGambino]

Lol you still think he's a 2nd option or even a side kick..he's a 4th option complementary piece, maybe

aright that's a bit harsh.....As it stands today on a championship team Ryan would be a solid piece......He shouldn't be treated as a first option here....hell in our own offense he's not even the second option when he should be....Yes Ryan still has to earn his playoff stripes but from game 1 this season other than Dwight he's been our most consistent player....i think he's at least earned some slack from you guys....there's still more games to play....let's let him play the games....then after it's over then see where the chips fall.....

[Potterman]

Two games does not a series make.

But in a contract year considering his disappearance in the past. It's his money to potentially lose.

[OrlChamps2030]

I would consider JJ more consistent than Ryno. By far.

How is a Stretch-4 who's game is based on shooting going to be consistent?

The only thing consistent about him is not showing up against elite teams and playing well against others.

[OrlandO]

I think tonight will finally put the debate to rest.. He had two disappointing games so far, but he can redeem himself with a huge game tonight. He's at home where he should be the most comfortable with a favorable crowd behind him. Good players don't struggle for a whole series, so we'll see how he responds. If he fails again tonight, I would be shocked if the fanboys still gave excuses for him.

[magicman123]

Lol you still think he's a 2nd option or even a side kick..he's a 4th option complementary piece, maybe

aright that's a bit harsh.....As it stands today on a championship team Ryan would be a solid piece......He shouldn't be treated as a first option here....hell in our own offense he's not even the second option when he should be....Yes Ryan still has to earn his playoff stripes but from game 1 this season other than Dwight he's been our most consistent player....i think he's at least earned some slack from you guys....there's still more games to play....let's let him play the games....then after it's over then see where the chips fall.....

exactly, a piece, complementary piece, not a side kick or a 2nd option..you basically said the same thing i did, i just came right out with it

[arkknight1988]

this is ur time anderson

[p0peye]

Using RealGM metrics Ryan: Six Sweater Vests to one Dunce Cap.

He's received the second most recognition for helping us win games, second only to Dwight, and he has only cost us one game, but he is wildly inconsistent worthy of scorn? I don't think so. By every measure he is easily our second best player and he has been doing it all year, with or without Dwight.

What his no shows should tell us is that he is not a good first option or go to player. Thing is, with Dwight we aren't looking for a first option as Dwight has that covered. We need a hyper-efficient sidekick and an all star level setup man. Ryan clearly checks off one of those boxes.

That only tell us that Ryno performed exceptionally well enough to be credited for the win in 6 games this season (out of 66 available), while he almost never had atrocius games (or there was always someone worse).

Looking at these past two games, its easy to see how Ryan can have a dissapointing performance and not be credited with cap. He's almost never Duhon bad, but that is not something your 2nd option should be.

Let's face it, he's good enough to be 3rd or 4th option and can rebound, space the floor, maybe even improve defensively up a bit. But one cannot rely on him as 2nd option, let alone build around him (as some imply if Dwight leave).

What we need is a closer, 1st option wing next to Dwight and having Ryan starting at the 4 with them would be fantastic. However, if forced to choose between ruining our capspace or letting him go, I'd choose later.

[The Real Dalic]

Using RealGM metrics Ryan: Six Sweater Vests to one Dunce Cap.

He's received the second most recognition for helping us win games, second only to Dwight, and he has only cost us one game, but he is wildly inconsistent worthy of scorn? I don't think so. By every measure he is easily our second best player and he has been doing it all year, with or without Dwight.

What his no shows should tell us is that he is not a good first option or go to player. Thing is, with Dwight we aren't looking for a first option as Dwight has that covered. We need a hyper-efficient sidekick and an all star level setup man. Ryan clearly checks off one of those boxes.

That only tell us that Ryno performed exceptionally well enough to be credited for the win in 6 games this season (out of 66 available), while he almost never had atrocius games (or there was always someone worse).

Looking at these past two games, its easy to see how Ryan can have a dissapointing performance and not be credited with cap. He's almost never Duhon bad, but that is not something your 2nd option should be.

Let's face it, he's good enough to be 3rd or 4th option and can rebound, space the floor, maybe even improve defensively up a bit. But one cannot rely on him as 2nd option, let alone build around him (as some imply if Dwight leave).

What we need is a closer, 1st option wing next to Dwight and having Ryan starting at the 4 with them would be fantastic. However, if forced to choose between ruining our capspace or letting him go, I'd choose later.

Well said.