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Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jared Sullinger

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If still on the Board by our pick what are the chanches we draft him?

100%
8
20%
90%
2
5%
80%
1
3%
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1
3%
60%
2
5%
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5
13%
40%
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7
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14
35%
 
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jared Sullinger 

Post#81 » by fredericklove » Thu May 3, 2012 9:34 pm

Double Helix wrote:
Pooh_Jeter wrote:I'm in the same boat as a lot of people, I hated him as a prospect last year and even early this year, but now I've warmed up to him considerably.

His bust potential seems pretty low and his floor should still be a pretty productive player. His ceiling is something that doesn't seem like a total reach anymore. I could definitely envision him being a borderline all-star PF.

If his height/wingspan do turn out to be solid then he certainly would be BPA if he falls to us.


That's exactly how I jumped on board.

When he was once seen as a top 3 candidate last year it was very easy to look for holes and think... "Wow, I want more out of my top 3 pick." We all become defensive there because we expect more. I'd probably be doing the same thing if I had a top 3 pick and Thomas Robinson was there. You want to land a superstar there at 3 badly. But at 8... it's a very different story. You have to think BPA in this range and if you're looking at a guy that looks an awful lot like a prime Z-bo at age 20 with no gun charges or negative ego issues then you've got to think long and hard about it.

This guy was born and raised in Ohio, too! And loyal enough to go to State University and come back despite being touted as a lottery pick. He's used to cold weather and he's loyal!


Yeah, I can't see him not avg 20 and 10 in his prime. He's polish and intense, its hard not to see him being an offensive/rebounding threat. I've gone through the blazers/warriors board and I saw a lot of people judging on his performance during tourney...well its unfair considering he went against Whitey (that's a 7 footer right there!) and though he gets blocked alot but he can gather himself quickly to get the ball back and go for a 2nd chance or draw for contact.

People should never question his effort and intensity in the paint, he's just so active out there. There's people rather want T-Rob at 4 than Sully but T-Rob isn't available. It'll take T-Rob time to adjust to the league but Sully can contribute from day 1 because he's got a mature game that fits NBA style. Also he can basically do all the complicated things that Bargs can't do (e.g. reboundball and toughness).

Its just sad that BC and Casey are so committed to Bargs. It makes me sick.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jared Sullinger 

Post#82 » by Double Helix » Thu May 3, 2012 9:44 pm

BC did take Ed Davis already though so he has shown a willingness to go BPA.

It is hard to imagine him doing it again unless he has a trade lined up, I suppose. I'm sure every GM saw how the NBA world made fun of David Khan and his PGs. The problem with this draft is that it's so hard to tell what all the other teams intends to do so I would imagine it's hard to set up a trade.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jared Sullinger 

Post#83 » by JN » Thu May 3, 2012 9:59 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:I'm not sure about the Zbo comparison just because Sullinger's moves didn't look that advanced to me. He was more about feel/touch + power and vs Withey he was fadeaway HQ because he couldn't get his power game off against him and didn't have those moves to get in his sh*t. However I do like his upside because of athletic tools + skill + basketball IQ, I just think he has to develop his face-up game. I like the idea of him slimming turn and developing a Millsap to Boozer like game more than Zbo/Jefferson. His quickness is very underrated in general.

I have him and PJIII at 4th/5th on my big board so I'm not really complaining about either at 8. I'm in favor of drafting the most talented player and it's pretty close between them IMO (People seem to favor PJIII in terms of talent, but I think Sullinger has a lot of things he doesn't as well)


Just remember that in the NCAA there is no 3 in the key on D. If you have the bigs and want to shut down a big player inside without ++ athleticism it is that much easier. Sullinger is skilled, strong and smart in the post -- that's harder to defend in the NBA when you can't have someone hang around in the key as easily. He will be able to get efficient shots off at the next level.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jared Sullinger 

Post#84 » by TheToothFairy » Thu May 3, 2012 10:19 pm

We could do a lot worse at #8. I remember as a freshman I thought he was the #2playerr in the country.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jared Sullinger 

Post#85 » by BirdmanPresents » Thu May 3, 2012 10:22 pm

I'm don't quite agree with the video game analogy, but DH is on point. That is why I have been all about Sullinger early in this thread.

I still like the Brand/Randolph comparison. Zach Randolph is a load down low, I don't think Sullinger will have the mass as Randolph has a bigger torso/midsection area. Being bigger and shoter they still have very different body types. Randolph is mostly body (midsection) with smaller arms and legs, and Sullinger seems to have less mass in his midsection, but bigger arms and base.

I just wish BC would take Sully and trade god damn Bargs for a scoring 3! :@

I'm very high on Sully, if Barnes or Lamb dropped to us and Sully was available, I would have to think for a very long time. I still have Barnes, Lamb over Sully, but that might change shortly.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jared Sullinger 

Post#86 » by TheToothFairy » Thu May 3, 2012 11:22 pm

For me it comes down to his measurements!, if he is let's say Al Jefferson size and can play Center then his stocks goes up, if he is more Boozer then other guys are in play
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jared Sullinger 

Post#87 » by fredericklove » Thu May 3, 2012 11:42 pm

BirdmanPresents wrote:I don't think Sullinger will have the mass as Randolph has a bigger torso/midsection area. Being bigger and shoter they still have very different body types. Randolph is mostly body (midsection) with smaller arms and legs, and Sullinger seems to have less mass in his midsection, but bigger arms and base.


Do you know what Sully has that Randolph will never have?

"He's got a big ass," another executive said. "He's not going to get pushed around. He might lose weight. He's not going to lose that ass."


http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/s ... index.html

Randolph is a big boy, but Sully has a much bigger, fatter wider ass 8-)
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jared Sullinger 

Post#88 » by BirdmanPresents » Thu May 3, 2012 11:47 pm

fredericklove wrote:
BirdmanPresents wrote:I don't think Sullinger will have the mass as Randolph has a bigger torso/midsection area. Being bigger and shoter they still have very different body types. Randolph is mostly body (midsection) with smaller arms and legs, and Sullinger seems to have less mass in his midsection, but bigger arms and base.


Do you know what Sully has that Randolph will never have?

"He's got a big ass," another executive said. "He's not going to get pushed around. He might lose weight. He's not going to lose that ass."


http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/s ... index.html

Randolph is a big boy, but Sully has a much bigger, fatter wider ass 8-)


LOL my point exactly, that's what I meant by base :P Haven't you heard what to do with a girl with a nice body and ugly face? Cover the face, f**k the base??? Hahaha :rofl:

It's hard to say what would be more effective. Traditionally a bigger base would be better for getting low and backing your guy in the paint, but just being a big dude is effective as well.
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Post#89 » by Dalek » Thu May 3, 2012 11:53 pm

I don't doubt his skills, but I do doubt his knees and whether he will be able to keep his weight down. He also had recurring back issues last year. I'd stay away from him if his knees don't check out.
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Post#90 » by Landomar » Fri May 4, 2012 12:14 am

I've been sold on Sullinger for awhile, and I think it's time to throw out a random "how to become awesome" plan for the team. Even BC couldn't screw this up. If things go reasonably well:

Valanciunas = Noah
Sullinger = Boozer
trade Bargnani + whatever for good SF = Deng

When the time is right, sign or trade for a ball dominant PG or SG. Our version of Rose. Somebody like Deron Williams would work fine, and if we can't get Deron, keep targetting similar players until we succeed. Just be patient and build more assets if the trade route is necessary. Try to pull off a KG to Boston type trade in a couple years.

The other starting guard should be a defensive role player that can shoot. Danny Green, Brandon Rush, whoever, just find a guy like that. This is the easiest part of the puzzle. We also need to be smart with the bench, but again, this should be easier than finding our core players.

Casey teaches everybody to play defense at a Tom Thibodeau level, our star guard and scoring bigs put up points, and we've got a legitimately good team. That could work, no?
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jared Sullinger 

Post#91 » by JN » Fri May 4, 2012 1:46 am

A big ass with great skill will always be effective on offence. Mike Sweetney would probably still help a team on offence. Such a great passer, high IQ, and can create space to get looks. D would be a disaster.

In no way am I comparing Sull, to the 300 pound Sweetney when he was exiled from the league, and the close to 370 or so version we saw in preseason. But big and skilled will always work on one end.
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Post#92 » by JamesNaismith » Fri May 4, 2012 1:57 am

Floor = Big Baby
Ceiling = Prime Elton Brand
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Post#93 » by JN » Fri May 4, 2012 2:00 am

Prime Elton Brand is a little too high IMO. The big difference is the blocked shots -- Brand's peak was short lived, but it was amazing.
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Post#94 » by JamesNaismith » Fri May 4, 2012 2:06 am

JN wrote:Prime Elton Brand is a little too high IMO. The big difference is the blocked shots -- Brand's peak was short lived, but it was amazing.


I can hear you on the blocked shots.

I just think scoring and rebounding at Sullinger's absolute best he could be a 20/10 guy which Brand was in his prime. Some people have said that Sully's potential is Zbo but Randolph is a bigger beast on the boards than I see JS being capable of.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jared Sullinger 

Post#95 » by Double Helix » Fri May 4, 2012 3:03 am

Game footage of Z-Bo as a Freshmen at Michigan State.

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Post#96 » by mapko81 » Fri May 4, 2012 5:28 am

He could easily end up being better than Robinson or Drummond... then again, don't know if that means he is better than Bargnani or Davis... there are too many solid PFs in the league, not enough stars
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jared Sullinger 

Post#97 » by kmatrixg » Fri May 4, 2012 5:32 am

mapko81 wrote:He could easily end up being better than Robinson or Drummond... then again, don't know if that means he is better than Bargnani or Davis... there are too many solid PFs in the league, not enough stars


I'm not sold on the Robinson hype, so I agree with you there. Sully doesn't have much upside though, one person above mentioned Brand as the high upside when I see a Millsap type guy on offense and the boards. At least nobody is throwing around a Barkley comparison.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jared Sullinger 

Post#98 » by Dr Positivity » Fri May 4, 2012 5:11 pm

My scouting video on Sullinger. Includes post scoring, post misses, passing, shooting, screen setting, help defense, man defense, rebounding, and final thoughts on his potential. Yes I am shamelessly filling the David Locke Jazz pbp gimmick from last year but looks like Utah won't have a pick so you'll have to do with me

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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jared Sullinger 

Post#99 » by Big Shot » Fri May 4, 2012 7:23 pm

fredericklove wrote:I'll be thrilled too having him as 8th, trade Bargs for a good shooting SF then we'll end up with a more traditional team lineup


If BC is smart enough, he should do that. I thought about that all along.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jared Sullinger 

Post#100 » by paranoid_android » Sat May 5, 2012 12:18 am

I agree with the Boozer comparisons, and i'd even liken his game to Vin Baker
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