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Re: What is your package for Iguodala ? 

Post#61 » by Krapinsky » Sat May 5, 2012 12:26 am

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Grits n Gravy wrote:other teams that might be interested & could maybe give a starting spot are cleveland, bocats, phoenix, bucks, houston & nets - a few other teams could and probably will offer a full MLE....it's a complete crap shoot with a free agent, especially a restricted one. i agree though, i'd like to be optimistic and believe he'd want to come here....i'm not a big fan of mayo though, i only think positively about him coming because of our current situation at shooting guard.

Mayo's not starting over Ellis or Martin, and I think Brooklyn likes Brooks at SG.


I'd take Mayo over all those guys.
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Re: What is your package for Iguodala ? 

Post#62 » by Narf » Sat May 5, 2012 1:47 am

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Narf wrote:I don't understand why people think Mayo's worth $7 mil a year. He's a $4-5 mil a year player who is a low efficiency volume shooter off the bench. The last 2 years his TS% has been about the same as Beasley's.

How can you hate Beasley and want to pay Mayo $7 million a year? I just don't get it.


You'd expect the TS% of a 6th man to be less than that of a role player that is merely asked to hit open shots, i.e. Lee. I'd expect Mayo's numbers in a starting role, playing off of Rubio and being a third option after Love and Pekovic, to be similar to his '09-'10 numbers. Mayo also rebounds (4.3 per 36), makes plays (3.4 astsd per 36), and creates turnovers (1.4 st per 36).
Mayo and Lee were both coming off the bench as #4 options on their team.

Memphis is stacked. They have a pass-first PG, great post scoring and offensive rebounding, great SF scoring...everything you could want to flourish for a scoring shooting guard.

There is absolutely zero, and I mean zero, excuse for Mayo coming out with a .499 and a .512 TS% the last 2 years. He's had a fantastic team around him all he had to do was score. And he couldn't even do that well. And just for fair comparison, Tony Allen had a .562 and a .541 TS% scoring about 14.4 points per 36 and I would take Tony Allen or Courtney Lee over Mayo 1000 times out of 10. Both of them are flat out better players with better skill sets. Good D, good outside shooting, defers to the better players on the floor. Mayo? Why, he's always the best player on the floor just watch him create his own shot and miss it.

Again, I have no idea why someone would hate Beasley and want to pay Mayo $7 mil a year. Dude is not worth more than Jodie Meeks, and it's a myth that he can create his own shot efficiently just like it is with Beasley. What he CAN do is create his own shot inefficiently....just like Beasley. And that's the kind of player you want off the bench for 4-5 mil a year.
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Re: What is your package for Iguodala ? 

Post#63 » by Stebo_SSK » Sat May 5, 2012 3:49 pm

The problem when people make these threads is that the package is always based on one team gettign all the benefit and the other getting screwed. No way Iggy gets traded when Wes Johnson is the main guy. Im not even sure Minny would even consider this when they can play the market for a players like OJ Mayo, Eric Gordon, and others and come out cheaper than the 15 milly a year Iggy is getting.
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Re: What is your package for Iguodala ? 

Post#64 » by C.lupus » Sat May 5, 2012 4:37 pm

Well it was a Sixers fan who started the thread and said he wanted Wes Johnson. We're just accommodating.
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Re: What is your package for Iguodala ? 

Post#65 » by Krapinsky » Sat May 5, 2012 5:00 pm

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Narf wrote:I don't understand why people think Mayo's worth $7 mil a year. He's a $4-5 mil a year player who is a low efficiency volume shooter off the bench. The last 2 years his TS% has been about the same as Beasley's.

How can you hate Beasley and want to pay Mayo $7 million a year? I just don't get it.


You'd expect the TS% of a 6th man to be less than that of a role player that is merely asked to hit open shots, i.e. Lee. I'd expect Mayo's numbers in a starting role, playing off of Rubio and being a third option after Love and Pekovic, to be similar to his '09-'10 numbers. Mayo also rebounds (4.3 per 36), makes plays (3.4 astsd per 36), and creates turnovers (1.4 st per 36).
Mayo and Lee were both coming off the bench as #4 options on their team.

Memphis is stacked. They have a pass-first PG, great post scoring and offensive rebounding, great SF scoring...everything you could want to flourish for a scoring shooting guard.

There is absolutely zero, and I mean zero, excuse for Mayo coming out with a .499 and a .512 TS% the last 2 years. He's had a fantastic team around him all he had to do was score. And he couldn't even do that well. And just for fair comparison, Tony Allen had a .562 and a .541 TS% scoring about 14.4 points per 36 and I would take Tony Allen or Courtney Lee over Mayo 1000 times out of 10. Both of them are flat out better players with better skill sets. Good D, good outside shooting, defers to the better players on the floor. Mayo? Why, he's always the best player on the floor just watch him create his own shot and miss it.

Again, I have no idea why someone would hate Beasley and want to pay Mayo $7 mil a year. Dude is not worth more than Jodie Meeks, and it's a myth that he can create his own shot efficiently just like it is with Beasley. What he CAN do is create his own shot inefficiently....just like Beasley. And that's the kind of player you want off the bench for 4-5 mil a year.


Ugh... I'm not sure why I bother. Jodie Meeks? Are you kidding me? Terrible take. Have you ever seen Meeks play or do you just look at TS% of role playing bit guards? There's a reason those guys have a high TS%. There is role is to sit at the three point line, spread the floor, and hit wide open jump shots. That is not what Adelman wants from his starting SG. That is why we see Luke starting at SG.

And Mayo was not a fourth option. He had a 24% usage rate this year. That is not a fourth option. Compare Courtney Lee and his 17% usage rate. Mayo is ASKED to create as a 6th man. That is his role on the team. That is not Courtney Lee's role. When Mayo had a lower usage rate -- 20% the lowest of his career -- his TS% was .551%.

I cannot get synergy to load right now, but I'd expect if you looked at the numbers you would see a much higher % of Lee's shots are in spot up situations. That said, you'd still like to see Mayo get more FT attempts. Even so, he get's to the line about twice as much as Lee.
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Re: What is your package for Iguodala ? 

Post#66 » by moss_is_1 » Sat May 5, 2012 7:21 pm

^ Exactly. Philly fans absolutely don't like Jodie Meeks...all he is a better version of Wayne Ellington. Meeks PER is a whole 2 points higher then Wayne, and he actually has a LOWER usage rate...that should tell you what Meeks does.

Mayo is a lot more of a playmaker then any of the other free agent wings, and he will most likely be the easiest to get(Memphis needs to save money).

Mayo also has seemed to do better as a starter to me anyway. Last year wasn't Memphis pretty upset that he didn't play well coming off the bench? His stats dropped all across the board. This year they are pretty solid again.
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Re: What is your package for Iguodala ? 

Post#67 » by Esohny » Sat May 5, 2012 8:13 pm

I'm not sure I'd worry too much about these player comparisons(absurd as the Meeks one is). None of the good ones will be acquired by the Wolves anyway.
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Re: What is your package for Iguodala ? 

Post#68 » by guille_4 » Sat May 12, 2012 11:34 am

I'd offer Wes Johnson, JJ Barea and #18 for Iggy and a resigned Jodie Meeks (Restricted free agent). Not sure Philly would accept this though.
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Re: What is your package for Iguodala ? 

Post#69 » by southern wolf » Sat May 12, 2012 11:44 am

guille_4 wrote:I'd offer Wes Johnson, JJ Barea and #18 for Iggy and a resigned Jodie Meeks (Restricted free agent). Not sure Philly would accept this though.


It's pretty bad for Philly, especially with a resigned Meeks included.
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Re: What is your package for Iguodala ? 

Post#70 » by The J Rocka » Sat May 12, 2012 4:54 pm

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guille_4 wrote:I'd offer Wes Johnson, JJ Barea and #18 for Iggy and a resigned Jodie Meeks (Restricted free agent). Not sure Philly would accept this though.


It's pretty bad for Philly, especially with a resigned Meeks included.

Take out Meeks.

If Philly is looking to get Williams + 18 out of us, we're going to have to look elsewhere. Even after a great series against an injured Bulls team shouldn't change his value/fate. Offering Johnson + JJB + Darko/Miller + Webster + 18 will give them cap flexibility for the future and another draft pick in a deep draft. DC liked Johnson in the past, so I'm not sure what his opinion is on him now. Johnson could be viewed as a plus to him.

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