Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC

[willbcocks]

Dominate and win playoff games by himself? You got that from last night's game?

He certainly played well, but it was the two-headed monster of him and faried on the offensive glass that won denver that game. On defense, McGee was getting killed by Bynum 1 on 1, and things only improved when the nuggets triple teamed Bynum (and he didn't pass out), or he didn't receive the ball. The lakers also had no penetration whatsoever, which is when McGee's defensive game falls apart, and that's solely due to the Lakers personnel and offense.

Faried impressed me a lot more than McGee. He shut down Gasol and was a monster on the glass.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

CCJ. I love that you are going to be able to keep that sig through atleast October...

Of course, if the Wiz fo doesn't bring back the second coming of The Ron, you'll be able to change it to Wiz undefeated all time with Morris.

I think it is terrific how this has all worked out so far, lsbf.

Thanks for reminding of Laron. Scabs was the fan of Laron to the point we all became fans. Fun times on a busier, more upbeat and fun board. Through all those years, I don't recall anyone saying anything bad about Laron, either.

[miller31time]

Through all those years, I don't recall anyone saying anything bad about Laron, either.

To be fair, Laron never gave us a reason to criticize.

[hands11]

Question

What would a Wiz vs Den in the playoffs have played out if they hypothetically could have met in the first round?

[willbcocks]

They probably would have kicked our asses. They're a good, efficient team. We tend to get killed by defensive teams, and they're not one of those, so at least that would be one thing in our column.

[nate33]

They probably would have kicked our asses. They're a good, efficient team. We tend to get killed by defensive teams, and they're not one of those, so at least that would be one thing in our column.

I don't know about that.

In 11 games with Nene in uniform, we had four losses. All were close, and all except one were against good teams:
WAS 89 - IND 93 L
DET 79 - WAS 77 L
ATL 95 - WAS 92 L
IND 85 - WAS 83 L

We also beat Philadelphia and Milwaukee with Nene playing. And we thrashed 4 bad teams
MIA 70 - WAS 104 W
WAS 96 - CLE 85 W
CHA 73 - WAS 101 W
WAS 86 - MIA 84 W
MIL 112 - WAS 121 W
PHI 76 - WAS 97 W
WAS 108 - NJN 89 W

Denver might beat us in a 7-game series, but I do not think they would "kick our asses".

[doclinkin]

"He's always asking, 'How can I do this better?'" says teammate David West. Hibbert pays Justin Zormelo, a private scout, to send him edited film and detailed reports on himself and the center he's matched up against before every game. "The guys who work for the team are great, but they have to focus on the whole team," Hibbert says. "It's good to get something more personal."

Indiana sucks, they're too cheap to get Big Hibba a proper personal coach. His mom should call somebody and let them know.

[theboomking]

Another HUGE night for JaVale. 27 minutes, 8 points on 2-5 shooting with 4 rebounds. The, 'not exactly in their prime' ,Lakers, are now up on the Nuggets 3-1. Vale is averaging about 8 points a game on .41 shooting, and the Lakers big men are having their way inside. We were all so wrong to doubt McGee.

[miller31time]

Another HUGE night for JaVale. 27 minutes, 8 points on 2-5 shooting with 4 rebounds. The, 'not exactly in their prime' ,Lakers, are now up on the Nuggets 3-1. Vale is averaging about 8 points a game on .41 shooting, and the Lakers big men are having their way inside. We were all so wrong to doubt McGee.

McGee may, eventually, "get it" and put together a nice career being an integral piece to his team's puzzle but what he's done with the Nuggets is what he did with the Wizards -- have moments (even games) of shockingly good play. Hell, sometimes, he'll look flat-out dominant. But then he'll follow it with something like tonight where all of his many flaws become visible and magnified. The big difference between the McGee here and the new-and-improved Nuggets McGee is that he gets more attention doing this on the Nuggets, a better team who also happens to be in the playoffs.

[zardsfan]

"He's always asking, 'How can I do this better?'" says teammate David West. Hibbert pays Justin Zormelo, a private scout, to send him edited film and detailed reports on himself and the center he's matched up against before every game. "The guys who work for the team are great, but they have to focus on the whole team," Hibbert says. "It's good to get something more personal."

Indiana sucks, they're too cheap to get Big Hibba a proper personal coach. His mom should call somebody and let them know.

Actually, putting aside the argument that the team should hire him a proper personal coach, I think it is awesome that he has taken the initiative to hire his own private scout. These guys (NBA players) make a lot of money and they are always talking about how "this (the NBA) is a business"... yet the majority of players never really treat their "career" like a "business", other than endorsement deals. When you own a business, you "invest" in that business in order to make more profit down the road. I think more players should invest (real $$) in ways to improve their game instead of leaving it all up to the team. After all, the player is the one who will "profit" the most as they improve their game.

[hands11]

They probably would have kicked our asses. They're a good, efficient team. We tend to get killed by defensive teams, and they're not one of those, so at least that would be one thing in our column.

I don't know about that.

In 11 games with Nene in uniform, we had four losses. All were close, and all except one were against good teams:
WAS 89 - IND 93 L
DET 79 - WAS 77 L
ATL 95 - WAS 92 L
IND 85 - WAS 83 L

We also beat Philadelphia and Milwaukee with Nene playing. And we thrashed 4 bad teams
MIA 70 - WAS 104 W
WAS 96 - CLE 85 W
CHA 73 - WAS 101 W
WAS 86 - MIA 84 W
MIL 112 - WAS 121 W
PHI 76 - WAS 97 W
WAS 108 - NJN 89 W

Denver might beat us in a 7-game series, but I do not think they would "kick our asses".

It is impressive how Denver is giving LAL so much trouble with just hustle. Not like Denver has a long list of top picks going it either.

So what do how do you think the game play would go ? Match ups. Style. Give the Wiz were at full strength.

[verbal8]

It is impressive how Denver is giving LAL so much trouble with just hustle. Not like Denver has a long list of top picks going it either.

So what do how do you think the game play would go ? Match ups. Style. Give the Wiz were at full strength.

I think the Nuggets performance given their roster is a big credit to Karl's coaching. They are the only team that really has been competitive despite the other team being clearly better. The 4/5 match-ups have been close because the teams are relatively even.

[doclinkin]

"He's always asking, 'How can I do this better?'" says teammate David West. Hibbert pays Justin Zormelo, a private scout, to send him edited film and detailed reports on himself and the center he's matched up against before every game. "The guys who work for the team are great, but they have to focus on the whole team," Hibbert says. "It's good to get something more personal."

Indiana sucks, they're too cheap to get Big Hibba a proper personal coach. His mom should call somebody and let them know.

Actually, putting aside the argument that the team should hire him a proper personal coach, I think it is awesome that he has taken the initiative to hire his own private scout. These guys (NBA players) make a lot of money and they are always talking about how "this (the NBA) is a business"... yet the majority of players never really treat their "career" like a "business", other than endorsement deals. When you own a business, you "invest" in that business in order to make more profit down the road. I think more players should invest (real $$) in ways to improve their game instead of leaving it all up to the team. After all, the player is the one who will "profit" the most as they improve their game.

Witness MJ with Tim Grover, etc. If JaVale was told 'buy your own big man coach' then why the hell wouldn't he? He'd make all that money back and more in his next contract from any front office who heard about it. appreciating the initiative and drive alone. The players who get good are the ones who make the extra effort. JaVale's main problem is that his mommy has blown his head up his entire life saying that he's going to be an 'evolutionary' big, before he's even learned the basics of the position.

[montestewart]

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Apart from progress made working with a personal trainer or position coach, the mere fact of taking such initiative on your own tells potential suitors a lot about you. Wizards fans have seen plenty of what happens when players with natural talent don't work hard to try and develop skills and break bad habits.

[Ruzious]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcgeeja01.html

McGee looks and acts different. Most people are visual. A lot of people are haters, I think because of the way McGee looks when he makes blunders.

I am glad the way the Wizards are playing now with Nene. I am also hopeful McGee can have a whole lot more games like yesterday. Faried is a rookie and together with McGee, the two gathered 30 rebounds against Pau Gasol and with Andrew Bynum playing 41 minutes.

One thing few haters realize is that McGee is a far better rebounder than Nene or Seraphin.

McGee as a Denver Nugget has averaged 18.0 points and 10 rebounds per-36 minutes, on .612 eFG%

His Denver PER is 20.5.

Trust me when I say this: Denver is very, very happy with the trade.

Buya B Ware. Consistency is vitale in pro sports. Would you put up 12 mil a year betting on Javale to be consistent.

[closg00]

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Apart from progress made working with a personal trainer or position coach, the mere fact of taking such initiative on your own tells potential suitors a lot about you. Wizards fans have seen plenty of what happens when players with natural talent don't work hard to try and develop skills and break bad habits.

The contrast couldn't be more stark, The Wizards organization Vs the Pacers.

The Pacers’ young big is working with one of the greatest to ever do it. Reports the Indy Star: “[Larry] Bird asked the Pacers center if he wanted some help and tossed out the names of three potential teachers: Bill Russell, Bill Walton or Kevin McHale. , All three are Hall of Fame big men. ‘He said it would probably be one of those three guys. I just had to give him my summer schedule so he could set it up with one of them,’ Hibbert said. ‘Who wouldn’t want to work with those guys?’ Bird lined up Walton, a former teammate with the Boston Celtics, and he has spent part of the summer working with Hibbert at Conseco Fieldhouse. ‘It’s an honor for me to work with such a fine young man, such an outstanding talent with such an outstanding package,’ Walton said. ‘He has tremendous potential. We are working on his total game. Summertime is when the championships are won. Physical fitness and skill development.’ The emphasis has been on defense.”

GM's who expect their young players to develop themselves and don't have the foresight to invest in specialized assitance to help some players achieve their potential, tells potential draft picks and FA alot about the type of organization they run.

[montestewart]

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Yeah, I know, and I've repeatedly mentioned that the Wizards have long had the appearance of drafting (or sometimes trading for) players that apparently were long on potential but short on developed skills, and then sort of acting like the players were highly compensated professionals and that should be enough to motivate them to do everything they can to improve. Who knows what goes on behind the scenes, but that's what it often looks like to me, and that seems like a lousy way to protect your investment.

Still, some players seem more motivated to improve, especially to honestly admit flaws in their games and work to minimize them. McGee often seems to have tunnel vision, but I give him credit for working on his hook shot. I don't have high expectations for him to get above the levels he's reached thus far, but he did work on that one thing, and he seemed to make a little progress toward the end of last year with rotating and resisting the urge to swat at everything, so maybe with the right group and coaching, he could make some further progress.

[closg00]

Mont, regardless of motivational level, the Wizards had a sufficient number of young bigs: Seraphin, McGee, and yes even Blatche, to warrant bringing in outside help to work with all of them. Larry Bird didn't wait to be asked. Bynum didnt have to ask.

[dobrojim]

"He's always asking, 'How can I do this better?'" says teammate David West. Hibbert pays Justin Zormelo, a private scout, to send him edited film and detailed reports on himself and the center he's matched up against before every game. "The guys who work for the team are great, but they have to focus on the whole team," Hibbert says. "It's good to get something more personal."

Indiana sucks, they're too cheap to get Big Hibba a proper personal coach. His mom should call somebody and let them know.

[montestewart]

Mont, regardless of motivational level, the Wizards had a sufficient number of young bigs: Seraphin, McGee, and yes even Blatche, to warrant bringing in outside help to work with all of them. Larry Bird didn't wait to be asked. Bynum didnt have to ask.

Again, you're preaching to the choir. I don't pretend to have any insider knowledge of how to run a basketball franchise. All I know is what I see. If they're doing everything they reasonably could do to maximize the abilities of their developing players, they sure seem to be doing a bad job of advertising that fact.