Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

[AQuintus]

This is what I've come up with so far http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=6mxdnnf PHI would also be getting #18, but I'm still not sure if they get enough.

1) The only reason that OKC would even consider trading Harden is because they think that resigning Harden (likely to a max contract) and Ibaka (10+ million) would push them into the new, more restrictive luxury tax. This not only makes OKC worse downgrading from Harden to Iggy, but it also makes them more expensive.

2) I doubt that Philly (the real Philly management, not their homer fans) would want Perkins over pure cap relief.

3) There's no way that Minny gets Harden without including Williams.

[Narf]

Repeat after me: Beasley is not going to be brought back.

Unless we trade our cap space away with Williams for a borderline all star type player that puts us near the cap. Then we can resign Beasley and use the MLE while still being under the Lux.

Beasley still has value as a bench player, and it seems to me we are in a better position to trade for talent then sign it.

[Narf]

3) There's no way that Minny gets Harden without including Williams or better.

;)
Speaking of which....I still think the way to get Harden is to make them a talent + cap space + future picks for even more cheap bench players offer. Ridnour, Williams, #18, Memphis pick, a slew of 2nds....OKC could fill out their roster fairly well for a long time with cheap talent from the draft while maintaining a championship contender.

We've got the value. They need talent that keeps them under the Lux. There's multiple paths to do it.

[Klomp]

This is what I've come up with so far http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=6mxdnnf PHI would also be getting #18, but I'm still not sure if they get enough.

1) The only reason that OKC would even consider trading Harden is because they think that resigning Harden (likely to a max contract) and Ibaka (10+ million) would push them into the new, more restrictive luxury tax. This not only makes OKC worse downgrading from Harden to Iggy, but it also makes them more expensive.

2) I doubt that Philly (the real Philly management, not their homer fans) would want Perkins over pure cap relief.

3) There's no way that Minny gets Harden without including Williams.

1. Fair point. I did swap out Perkins for Pekovic, though that would keep them in a similar situation next offseason.
2. Another fair point. I was going off the fact that their fans are always clamoring for a center.
3. You're 3 for 3 on fair points. I thought that giving them Pekovic would allow us to not have to move Williams.

[Narf]

What about Ridnour or Barea for Sefolosha?
OKC needs a backup combo guard in case Westbrook gets injured.
Not a major move, but Sefo seems like a better fit (great D, 3 point shot coming around) than we have currently.

[LordBaldric]

Repeat after me: Beasley is not going to be brought back.

Unless we trade our cap space away with Williams for a borderline all star type player that puts us near the cap. Then we can resign Beasley and use the MLE while still being under the Lux.

Beasley still has value as a bench player, and it seems to me we are in a better position to trade for talent then sign it.

That's nice and all, but Adelman clearly wants nothing to do with him, so unless Adelman quits in frustration, don't expect us to even try to sign Supercool.

[Grits n Gravy]

What about Ridnour or Barea for Sefolosha?
OKC needs a backup combo guard in case Westbrook gets injured.
Not a major move, but Sefo seems like a better fit (great D, 3 point shot coming around) than we have currently.

sefo would be a dream get but his value to okc is just far too high for them to give him away for one of those two imo...he's locked into a cheap contract for 2 years after this and plays too much of a important role for a contending team for them to shake it up for that.

[Klomp]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=77umpcv

[Krapinsky]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=77umpcv

Yeah, I love it for us, and I think there's a good argument to make that OKC should consider it, but I think they would still turn us down.

[Klomp]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=77umpcv

Yeah, I love it for us, and I think there's a good argument to make that OKC should consider it, but I think they would still turn us down.

Oh I'm sure they would too.

However, consider this:
1. Pekovic/Ibaka and Westbrook/Ridnour are great complementary pieces.
2. Pekovic will be cheaper for OKC to resign than Harden, and the other two combined have a similar deal as Perkins.

[theGreatRC]

If the Grizz end up losing the series, i have a good feeling about getting either Mayo or Gay. Didn't we have a meeting with Gay during the summer? I'd have to guess that Kahn is going to go after one of these two this off-season.

[shangrila]

I think it'll be Mayo. He's been on the radar for a while now and is, potentially, not signed to as bad of a contract as Gay.

[rugbyrugger23]

This would be aggressive:
1) Sign Batum to max...4 year deal like Love. Yes over paying slight, but if he performs as expected on Wolves roster, price is slight discount.

2) Trade for Harden...I like many on RGM think Harden is perfect fit next to Rubio as can be traded for with everything OKC has going on dollar wise. Even more so if they don't win it all this year. I would even part with Pek to get Harden...so a Pek/DWill/#18 for Harden/Perkins (or the PHX 3 team trade posted some where on RGM would work too).

3) Resign Beasley for 6th man money. Afterall, he knows the team, scheme, is 23, can score off bench and seems to like MN. I like many on RGM have mixed feelings for the entire BEasy package, but is what it is.

4) Darko...I agree with amnesty but also fine with keeping. His third year isn't guaranteed, and he provides 6 fouls as a 7 footer off the bench.

Roster:
Love-$13.7
Batum-$13.7
Perk-$7.8
Harden-$5.8
Rubio-$3.8

Beasley-$5.0

Darko-$5.2 (possible buyout/amnesty)
JJ-$4.5 (possible trade asset offseason or '13 trade deadline)
Wes-$4.3 (possible trade asset )
Rid-$4.0
AR or Tolliver-$2.5
Ellington & Lee-$3.0

Total: under $75mil...following year will stay under 80 with Darko gone, and JJ/Rid traded (once Rubio proves back 100% from injury).

Yes odds are Beasley will not be resigned...but with this offseason/trade scenario Beasley fits PERFECTLY.

Perkins sits first with BEasy in as 6th man at PF, rotating Love to center.

Second subs are Rid at PG and Wes at either SG or SF. Mix in either AR/Tolliver at F and Darko or other C as needed...pretty nice recipe.

[southern wolf]

There's just no way we're getting Harden without including Love or Rubio. OKC wouldn't even trade Harden for Rubio straight up IMO.

[black bart]

The only way you are getting Harden +ibaka for Love swap.

[EddyCool]

If the Grizz end up losing the series, i have a good feeling about getting either Mayo or Gay. Didn't we have a meeting with Gay during the summer? I'd have to guess that Kahn is going to go after one of these two this off-season.

I think it'll be Mayo. He's been on the radar for a while now and is, potentially, not signed to as bad of a contract as Gay.

Kahn had a meeting planned with Gay - it was going to be his first in free agency and I think it was expected that the Wolves would make an aggressive push/offer at him (and David Lee was also on that list, to nobody's desire). Gay didn't make the trip since Memphis offered him the contract he wanted just before he was going to leave.

I don't think it's accurate to call his contract bad - he's a hell of a player. He's had a couple of injuries, but still worth his contract. You're probably going to have to push Mayo's contract offer high enough that it hurts the Grizzlies finances to match. They've got a lot of money tied up in Gasol/Randolph/Gay/Conley for the next 3 years, so they need to remain competitive. It's conceivable that they'll explore sign-and-trade options with Mayo to find inexpensive bodies to fill-in behind Allen/Gay/Pondexter and Gasol/Randolph/Speights. If you can put some dollars in front of OJ early, you might be able to get him, but probably not at a value.

[Krapinsky]

If the Grizz end up losing the series, i have a good feeling about getting either Mayo or Gay. Didn't we have a meeting with Gay during the summer? I'd have to guess that Kahn is going to go after one of these two this off-season.

I think it'll be Mayo. He's been on the radar for a while now and is, potentially, not signed to as bad of a contract as Gay.

Kahn had a meeting planned with Gay - it was going to be his first in free agency and I think it was expected that the Wolves would make an aggressive push/offer at him (and David Lee was also on that list, to nobody's desire). Gay didn't make the trip since Memphis offered him the contract he wanted just before he was going to leave.

I don't think it's accurate to call his contract bad - he's a hell of a player. He's had a couple of injuries, but still worth his contract. You're probably going to have to push Mayo's contract offer high enough that it hurts the Grizzlies finances to match. They've got a lot of money tied up in Gasol/Randolph/Gay/Conley for the next 3 years, so they need to remain competitive. It's conceivable that they'll explore sign-and-trade options with Mayo to find inexpensive bodies to fill-in behind Allen/Gay/Pondexter and Gasol/Randolph/Speights. If you can put some dollars in front of OJ early, you might be able to get him, but probably not at a value.

I don't know about that. He'll make an average of $17.9M over the next three years.

Batum and Gay's stats are pretty comparable.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2012

[EddyCool]

Batum's a hell of a player, too. Are you expecting that he'll be substantially cheaper than Gay in years 3-4 of his next contract?

Edit: I guess he'll have to be somewhat because of the new CBA, so that's something. Considering that adding either would push exhaust all options for cap space and we'd be limited to tools like the MLE for free agents anyway, I don't think the few millions difference that you couldn't put towards free agents constitutes Gay as having a bad contract.

[Krapinsky]

Batum's a hell of a player, too. Are you expecting that he'll be substantially cheaper than Gay in years 3-4 of his next contract?

Yes, by at least $5-6M/year.

[EddyCool]

Batum's a hell of a player, too. Are you expecting that he'll be substantially cheaper than Gay in years 3-4 of his next contract?

Yes, by at least $5-6M/year.

I'm ok with that. Like I edited above, you're presumably over the cap either way and I'll add that Gay is the better a player. It's not a bad contract; we'd take Rudy Gay on that contract without question. It's irrelevant since he won't be available.