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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#1301 » by closg00 » Mon May 7, 2012 7:18 pm

One last point, do you think this team could have used the shooting coach beyond the training-camp he was hired for? Nah!! Jan Vesely, John Wall, and Chris Singleton needed his instruction for the training camp only. Competent management matters.
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Post#1302 » by fishercob » Mon May 7, 2012 7:29 pm

There were about 10 practices this season. You think a shooting coach would have made any difference?
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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#1303 » by 7-Day Dray » Mon May 7, 2012 7:51 pm

One thing I have noticed since McGee has left DC is that he's changed his FT routine, and his stroke looks a lot better. He no longer just stares at the rim for like 10 secs. Denver must have a competent shooting coach that corrected this mistake. Another reason why their organization is way ahead of ours.
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Post#1304 » by fugop » Mon May 7, 2012 8:01 pm

7-Day Dray wrote:One thing I have noticed since McGee has left DC is that he's changed his FT routine, and his stroke looks a lot better. He no longer just stares at the rim for like 10 secs. Denver must have a competent shooting coach that corrected this mistake. Another reason why their organization is way ahead of ours.


McGee's ft% in Denver is 37%. His new routine is not working.
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Post#1305 » by closg00 » Mon May 7, 2012 8:03 pm

fishercob wrote:There were about 10 practices this season. You think a shooting coach would have made any difference?


Only ten practices? All the more reason to keep the guy around. Heck, I would have the guy work with the guys during shoot-around time also. Wall regressed in his shooting and Ves wasn't confident-enough to Ty shooting much. Jan Vesely with a jumpshot is worthy of being the 6th-pick.
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Post#1306 » by montestewart » Mon May 7, 2012 8:55 pm

fishercob wrote:There were about 10 practices this season. You think a shooting coach would have made any difference?

Even with limited practices, I could see (and have seen) incremental differences in team play in season, particularly defensive rotation and running offensive schemes, and this is certainly (at least in part) directly attributable to coaching. Individual skills, like shooting (maybe especially shooting), would seem to require, in addition to coaching, a whole lot of time to repetitively apply he lessons. Not saying a shooting coach couldn't point out a flaw in season, but it doesn't seem as practical as team coaching or as likely to produce a positive result. I hope Wall, Vesely, Singleton are ready to put in a lot of work this summer, and I hope they have a good shooting coach.
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Post#1307 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon May 7, 2012 9:18 pm

fugop wrote:
7-Day Dray wrote:One thing I have noticed since McGee has left DC is that he's changed his FT routine, and his stroke looks a lot better. He no longer just stares at the rim for like 10 secs. Denver must have a competent shooting coach that corrected this mistake. Another reason why their organization is way ahead of ours.


McGee's ft% in Denver is 37%. His new routine is not working.


7DD, you and I must have seen the two Javale sank in crunch time yesterday.

fugop, I think FTs are mostly muscle memory and mental. If I shoot FTs and I'm tired, they come up short. I've never had to shoot them in front of a crowd, but people I've seen very recently often come up tight under pressure. Seems to me if you're a shooter and you're warmed up even your missed FT isn't going look bad. It is going to feel good leaving your hand. But that only comes with a lot of repetitions, confidence, and conditioning that drives through fatigue that can result in your shooting mechanics breaking down.

Javale in general looks a lot better in form to me, 7DD. I bet he is struggling a lot with his asthma, the altitude, and with his condition in Denver. That makes everything tougher.
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Post#1308 » by Ruzious » Mon May 7, 2012 9:31 pm

Javale and DWade (4 of 11 from the line) must have switched brains.

Apparently, Miami uses a machine in practice that tells them the arc and angle of their free throws - Wade and Bron swear by it. It's called Noah (for arc, get it?). But Wade must have neglected using it - and it cost Miami a sweep.
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Post#1309 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon May 7, 2012 9:50 pm

I don't know what they use, but FTs IMO are better if you don't think about them. Just like bowling IMO. When you're really relaxed, it's almost as if your brain knows what to do without you having to think about it.

If Noah's arc helps with that, I'm down. But to me, D Wade is going to fool around and do a Tiger Woods. Always diddling with his swing ... I don't get it. If it isn't broken, don't fix it.
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Post#1310 » by hands11 » Mon May 7, 2012 10:08 pm

montestewart wrote:^
Apart from progress made working with a personal trainer or position coach, the mere fact of taking such initiative on your own tells potential suitors a lot about you. Wizards fans have seen plenty of what happens when players with natural talent don't work hard to try and develop skills and break bad habits.


Agreed. I remember posting about this not to far back.

You want to get paid 5, 6, 7 M a year and you can't hire someone to help you expand your game so you can make 8, 9, 10 plus M a year ?

It is sad how spoiled some of these players are. It's the " you owe me " croud. How about getting off the ass and making it happen. One things that did impress me before McGee was drafted was that he did do that. He did hire someone to help expand his game.

Athletic is nice but personality..personality..personality. That is what seperate potential or true skill from the greats.

Magic wasn't the most athletic player. That isn't what made him great. Look at Bird. Even Duncan isn't near a freak athlete. Hell Bernard King was crushing younger players with only one knee that had cartledge in it.
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Post#1311 » by Dat2U » Mon May 7, 2012 11:15 pm

hands11 wrote:-
Athletic is nice but personality..personality..personality. That is what seperate potential or true skill from the greats.

Magic wasn't the most athletic player. That isn't what made him great. Look at Bird. Even Duncan isn't near a freak athlete. Hell Bernard King was crushing younger players with only one knee that had cartledge in it.


Are you including work ethic within your definition of "personality"? Because I'm having trouble understanding how personality can be the determining factor of greatness.
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Post#1312 » by hands11 » Tue May 8, 2012 1:41 am

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hands11 wrote:-
Athletic is nice but personality..personality..personality. That is what seperate potential or true skill from the greats.

Magic wasn't the most athletic player. That isn't what made him great. Look at Bird. Even Duncan isn't near a freak athlete. Hell Bernard King was crushing younger players with only one knee that had cartledge in it.


Are you including work ethic within your definition of "personality"? Because I'm having trouble understanding how personality can be the determining factor of greatness.


Absolutely that would be included. That would be core to personality. How you handle pressure would be another. How you handle success. How you handle failure. What are your core believes. What are your goals. What is most important to you. How do you see others. How do you approach a challenge. How you view yourself. What is your work ethic. What do you think is owed to you. How do you threat others. Are you aggressive or passive. Do you choke. What do you value most. Are you a leader. Are you a loner or a group person. Are you organized. Can you prioritize. Can you motivate. Do you have found logic. Can you control your emotions. Can you focus and stay focused.

All of that is in your personality.
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Post#1313 » by hands11 » Wed May 9, 2012 5:39 am

Great game from McGee. He got the game ball. There he threw it into the stands with no one there. Lol.

He was excited I guess.
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Post#1314 » by omegatronic3 » Wed May 9, 2012 6:32 am

Both Javale and NY are having a major impact in the playoffs. Javale tonight totally outplayed Bynum.
Both he and young are guys that if you put them around smart players it minimizes their bone head potential.

Apart from them there's a slew of former Wizards. Arenas, Butler, Foye, Miller,
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Post#1315 » by JonathanJoseph » Wed May 9, 2012 8:15 am

omegatronic3 wrote:Both Javale and NY are having a major impact in the playoffs. Javale tonight totally outplayed Bynum.
Both he and young are guys that if you put them around smart players it minimizes their bone head potential.

Apart from them there's a slew of former Wizards. Arenas, Butler, Foye, Miller,


Which really brings it back to Grunfeld and his consistently toxic environment. There's no question that McGee and Young have looked more professional outside of DC.
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Post#1316 » by closg00 » Wed May 9, 2012 9:58 am

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omegatronic3 wrote:Both Javale and NY are having a major impact in the playoffs. Javale tonight totally outplayed Bynum.
Both he and young are guys that if you put them around smart players it minimizes their bone head potential.

Apart from them there's a slew of former Wizards. Arenas, Butler, Foye, Miller,


Which really brings it back to Grunfeld and his consistently toxic environment. There's no question that McGee and Young have looked more professional outside of DC.


But, but, it's just two big playoff games :lol: Que the McGee haters. McGee will continue to get better the further removed he is from the Wizard organization.
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Post#1317 » by verbal8 » Wed May 9, 2012 10:34 am

omegatronic3 wrote:Both Javale and NY are having a major impact in the playoffs. Javale tonight totally outplayed Bynum.
Both he and young are guys that if you put them around smart players it minimizes their bone head potential.

Apart from them there's a slew of former Wizards. Arenas, Butler, Foye, Miller,


But none of the players are starting. McGee had a great game last night. He had a good game in the other Nuggets win(game 3), one fair game(5/9 while Bynum went off) and 2 games that were pretty disappointing. That doesn't seem too different from his Wizards career. Nick Young is also looking pretty similar. It is a lot easier to hide a players weaknesses when they are coming off the bench, than when they are a key starter(as Young and McGee were with the Wizards).
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Post#1318 » by DaRealHibachi » Wed May 9, 2012 11:17 am

closg00 wrote:
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omegatronic3 wrote:Both Javale and NY are having a major impact in the playoffs. Javale tonight totally outplayed Bynum.
Both he and young are guys that if you put them around smart players it minimizes their bone head potential.

Apart from them there's a slew of former Wizards. Arenas, Butler, Foye, Miller,


Which really brings it back to Grunfeld and his consistently toxic environment. There's no question that McGee and Young have looked more professional outside of DC.


But, but, it's just two big playoff games :lol: Que the McGee haters. McGee will continue to get better the further removed he is from the Wizard organization.


Yeah, because we all know that a couple of playoff games change a whole career of mediocrity... (Guys like Ariza come to mind)

Let's not act like McGee career has exploded into stardom after a couple of good games please...
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Post#1319 » by Zonkerbl » Wed May 9, 2012 11:59 am

Good game for the young fella though. Congratulations to him.
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Post#1320 » by closg00 » Wed May 9, 2012 12:27 pm

verbal8 wrote:
omegatronic3 wrote:Both Javale and NY are having a major impact in the playoffs. Javale tonight totally outplayed Bynum.
Both he and young are guys that if you put them around smart players it minimizes their bone head potential.

Apart from them there's a slew of former Wizards. Arenas, Butler, Foye, Miller,


But none of the players are starting. McGee had a great game last night. He had a good game in the other Nuggets win(game 3), one fair game(5/9 while Bynum went off) and 2 games that were pretty disappointing. That doesn't seem too different from his Wizards career. Nick Young is also looking pretty similar. It is a lot easier to hide a players weaknesses when they are coming off the bench, than when they are a key starter(as Young and McGee were with the Wizards).


Who cares if they are starting or not, McGee logged more minutes than the starter (Moz) who had zero rebounds and zero points last night. McGee helped save his team from being eliminated, that's what matters.

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