Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Edition)

The Real Dalic · Post #481 » by **The Real Dalic** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:16 pm

Ryan's not worth 5 million yet. . . Don't overpay him even if Dwight stays. We can always get someone to replace him easily.

arsenal6106 · Post #482 » by **arsenal6106** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:18 pm

Magic_Radio
GM Otis Smith joins Dante Marchitelli tonight at 5:30 on @740thegame for Magic Drive Time! Listen on AM740 or iHeart Radio app #WeAreMagic

T25 · Post #483 » by **T25** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:19 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:Ryan's not worth 5 million yet. . . Don't overpay him even if Dwight stays. We can always get someone to replace him easily.

I'm not a fanboy of Ryan but I know he's the best PF we can get that compliments Dwight. So I Dwight stays I'm for keeping Ryan

arsenal6106 · Post #484 » by **arsenal6106** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:20 pm

arsenal6106 wrote:
Magic_Radio
GM Otis Smith joins Dante Marchitelli tonight at 5:30 on @740thegame for Magic Drive Time! Listen on AM740 or iHeart Radio app #WeAreMagic

Here is a link:

http://www.iheart.com/#/live/601/?autoplay=true

The Real Dalic · Post #485 » by **The Real Dalic** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:22 pm

T25 wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:Ryan's not worth 5 million yet. . . Don't overpay him even if Dwight stays. We can always get someone to replace him easily.

I'm not a fanboy of Ryan but I know he's the best PF we can get that compliments Dwight. So I Dwight stays I'm for keeping Ryan

I'm still not sure why people think having a stretch 4 is the only way Dwight and whoever our PF is can succeed. . . more teams win championships with a traditional lineup than with the one that we have. . .

Post #486 » by **eyriq** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:23 pm

T25 wrote:Great Post. I like the logic but my question is do u lock up Ryno for $9m a year if Dwight is not committed? If he is committed I say yes if not let someone else over pay him...

You get a cookie for reading that!

Here is my thing with Dwight, there seems to be three factors in play. When he requested the trade he cited broken down communication lines/relationships, a desire to play for a bigger market, and a lack of talent. The Magic can control for 2/3 of those variables, communication and talent, can't do anything about market size. So if I'm Orlando I clean house up top and put people in place that Dwight is comfortable with. I then implement a blueprint for improving the team, which needs to be detailed and realistic and something that Dwight could buy into. Then, I start making moves this offseason and play out the year, with or without an extension from Dwight, banking on the improved communication/vision and the advantages in cash to convince Dwight to stay. Since I think keeping Anderson is our surest path to improving our talent I would sign him with or without a longterm commitment from Dwight.

Post #487 » by **Def Swami** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:25 pm

http://www.espnflorida.com/espn-1040-station/
Alex Kennedy and Steve Kyler talking Magic Offseason til 7 pm on ESPN FL

Both don't know what Duhon has to do to be benched lol.
ESPNFL insider says he believes Stan is gone in a week and expects Jameer to opt out to avoid being traded, and doesn't see us upgrading talent.

MoMM · Post #488 » by **MoMM** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:26 pm

Ryan would be a good asset to have and deal during the season. Maybe we could deal him + Hedo for Rashard Lewis?

Post #489 » by **Def Swami** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:26 pm

eyriq wrote:
T25 wrote:Great Post. I like the logic but my question is do u lock up Ryno for $9m a year if Dwight is not committed? If he is committed I say yes if not let someone else over pay him...

You get a cookie for reading that!

Here is my thing with Dwight, there seems to be three factors in play. When he requested the trade he cited broken down communication lines/relationships, a desire to play for a bigger market, and a lack of talent. The Magic can control for 2/3 of those variables, communication and talent, can't do anything about market size. So if I'm Orlando I clean house up top and put people in place that Dwight is comfortable with. I then implement a blueprint for improving the team, which needs to be detailed and realistic and something that Dwight could buy into. Then, I start making moves this offseason and play out the year, with or without an extension from Dwight, banking on the improved communication/vision and the advantages in cash to convince Dwight to stay. Since I think keeping Anderson is our surest path to improving our talent I would sign him with or without a longterm commitment from Dwight.

I don't know if we can control talent this offseason.

Post #490 » by **eyriq** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:32 pm

MoMM wrote:Ryan would be a good asset to have and deal during the season. Maybe we could deal him + Hedo for Rashard Lewis?

So crazy it just might work!

Rick Rolled · Post #491 » by **Rick Rolled** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:33 pm

Did Otis' interview just get interrupted by a clip of Bill Murray in Caddyshack for anyone else?

Followed by 20 commercials for The Dan Patrick Show.....

T25 · Post #492 » by **T25** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:35 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:
T25 wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:Ryan's not worth 5 million yet. . . Don't overpay him even if Dwight stays. We can always get someone to replace him easily.

I'm not a fanboy of Ryan but I know he's the best PF we can get that compliments Dwight. So I Dwight stays I'm for keeping Ryan

I'm still not sure why people think having a stretch 4 is the only way Dwight and whoever our PF is can succeed. . . more teams win championships with a traditional lineup than with the one that we have. . .

I agree with u I'm not a fan of stretch 4 but I am a fan of one maybe 2 3point threats in the starting lineup. Ryno defense deficiency can be made up with Dwight backing him up. I like that he crashes offensive rebounds and can explode with 3s any moment. If this team had Nash at Point a Defensive minded slasher at either the 2/3 and a guy at 2/3 who can create his own shot we are unbeatable.

The Real Dalic · Post #493 » by **The Real Dalic** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:37 pm

T25 wrote:I agree with u I'm not a fan of stretch 4 but I am a fan of one maybe 2 3point threats in the starting lineup. Ryno defense deficiency can be made up with Dwight backing him up. I like that he crashes offensive rebounds and can explode with 3s any moment. If this team had Nash at Point a Defensive minded slasher at either the 2/3 and a guy at 2/3 who can create his own shot we are unbeatable.

That, I agree with, unfortunately, it's not that easy to get a Nash type player or a defensive wing that slashes. . . At least not for us.

OrlandO · Post #494 » by **OrlandO** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:39 pm

Rick Rolled wrote:Did Otis' interview just get interrupted by a clip of Bill Murray in Caddyshack for anyone else?

Yes, and it keeps playing a promo for the dan patrick show over and over... nothing goes right when Otis is involved.

T25 · Post #495 » by **T25** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:40 pm

Lmao Alex Martins must of pulled the plug on Otis interview and Fired his Ass

Post #496 » by **Def Swami** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:41 pm

Kyler explaining why Foyle is being interviewed, very interesting stuff. Per Kyler: Apparently, when Martins took over, management sold Martins, when he took over, that the deals that they had made weren't as bad as the media made them out to be (PHX/WAS deals) and that the contracts given out weren't as bad as advertised and that they were movable. Around the trade deadline when the Magic were trying to add a 2nd stars, Martins and the DeVos family found out that the contracts were as bad as advertised and were virtually unmoveable. So a lack of trust in Otis's team hit an truck with Martins, but the one guy they trusted was Foyle. Foyle is pretty respected by all the Magic higher ups, but he never asked to be GM. Around the deadline, while Otis and Martins were dealing with the Dwight situation, our higher ups dumped the trade deadline stuff on Foyle, giving him more than he asked for. Later, he was asked if he wanted to be GM. And here we are.

Kyler also says that the OMagic GM is a very coveted position around the league. With our new building, an owner willing to spend, and the potential to have the world's best center, it's a job that he says many execs would love to have. But he says he doesn't think Foyle is a good choice. Smart guy, but the last time the Magic picked up a GM without any GM experience was Otis Smith and we see how that worked out.

Potential GMs Magic should go after: David Norway (Pacers), Kevin Pritchard, Sam Henky (Houston) David Griffin (Cavs), Larry Harris (Bucks), Tony Ronzoni (DET)

thelead · Post #497 » by **thelead** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:41 pm

Rick Rolled wrote:Did Otis' interview just get interrupted by a clip of Bill Murray in Caddyshack for anyone else?

Followed by 20 commercials for The Dan Patrick Show.....

Yup

Rick Rolled · Post #498 » by **Rick Rolled** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:44 pm

OrlandO wrote:
Rick Rolled wrote:Did Otis' interview just get interrupted by a clip of Bill Murray in Caddyshack for anyone else?

Yes, and it keeps playing a promo for the dan patrick show over and over... nothing goes right when Otis is involved.

At least we know his son graduated from the prestigious University of Southeast Maine.

Vital info for us Magic fans.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #499 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:44 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:Ryan's not worth 5 million yet. . . Don't overpay him even if Dwight stays. We can always get someone to replace him easily.

+1 let Ryan walk, waive turk, jj and duhon. Who are all unguaranteed. If jameer declines his option let him walk....quick someone tell what that gives us? 20 million? Am i reaching here?

OrlandO · Post #500 » by **OrlandO** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:45 pm

wow where the hell is the interview... they were in the middle of talking to otis and now it's just annoying ad after annoying ad for the past 15 minutes