Offseason Plan/ Draft/ Trades/Free Agency

blackham9258 · Post #1 » by **blackham9258** » Wed May 9, 2012 5:53 pm

1) Trade Millsap for top #3-#5 (perhaps Wizards) and pick up Drummond. Its simple to me: Millsap will garner the most trade value and Favors time has come. If Jefferson garnered more trade value I would move him, but as it stands Al is a better low post mentor for Favors/Kanter/Drummond. I love Drummond as an upside pick.. most scouts agree that he has the body to have the most upside of anyone in this class. We can take that risk.

2) Trade Devin Harris to Portland for #11 and pick up Lillard or Marshall.

3) Trade Bell which will give us $37M on the books and $21M in cap space: How? We drop $19.3M but ad $6M in draft picks. $50M-$19 + $6 = $37M

4) Sign Eric Gordon: We now have $21M under the cap. With this I go whole hog after Eric Gordon who is a potential AllStar SG. Of course people will say that Nola will keep him, and that is of course possible if not likely. But if we offer NOLA our GSW future pick could we pick him off and will they agree to not match and do a sign and trade? If it is possible we could also give them our $10M exemption for them to use we could add that as well. (Also, and I would like some imput on this, but I would offer 4/$44M and try to give $20M in year 1, so that the final years are averaged at $8. Can that be done? It allows for more cap wiggle room in years that we need to reup our young players.)

5) Sign Andre Miller to a 2yr/$10M contract.

New lineup is young, athletic, talented inside and out while also having sage veteran leaders.

We turn Deron into: Favors, Kanter, Burks (by keeping our own pick last year by missing the playoffs with the Deron trade.), Lillard or Marshall (Harris trade), Erick Gordon (w GSW pick)

Andre Miller/Watson/Lillard or Marshall
Eric Gordon/Burks
Hayward/Carrol
Favors/Kanter
Jefferson/Drummond

6) Sign either Brandon Rush or Novak.

I know this assumes certain things like the Wizards being willing to take Millsap (not unrealistic) as long as they don't get a chance at Robinson. It assumes that Portland would want to trade a pick for Harris (although if they use their #6 pick do they really want 2 rookies while trying to compete?) They aren't resigning Felton and need a legit pro who is good with the pick and roll... Harris fits that bill. Also, I assume NOLA would be willing to do that trade but my question is does Gordon really want to resign with Nola? They passed on paying him once, and if they are picking #4 or higher they are likely to take a wing player like Beal. If that happens they might look favorably at getting another lottery pick since they are not ready to compete with Gordon now.

Thoughts.

bsutefan · Post #2 » by **bsutefan** » Wed May 9, 2012 6:14 pm

blackham9258 wrote:1) Trade Millsap for top #3-#5 (perhaps Wizards) and pick up Drummond. Its simple to me: Millsap will garner the most trade value and Favors time has come. If Jefferson garnered more trade value I would move him, but as it stands Al is a better low post mentor for Favors/Kanter/Drummond. I love Drummond as an upside pick.. most scouts agree that he has the body to have the most upside of anyone in this class. We can take that risk.

2) Trade Devin Harris to Portland for #11 and pick up Lillard or Marshall.

3) Trade Bell which will give us $37M on the books and $21M in cap space: How? We drop $19.3M but ad $6M in draft picks. $50M-$19 + $6 = $37M

4) Sign Eric Gordon: We now have $21M under the cap. With this I go whole hog after Eric Gordon who is a potential AllStar SG. Of course people will say that Nola will keep him, and that is of course possible if not likely. But if we offer NOLA our GSW future pick could we pick him off and will they agree to not match and do a sign and trade? If it is possible we could also give them our $10M exemption for them to use we could add that as well. (Also, and I would like some imput on this, but I would offer 4/$44M and try to give $20M in year 1, so that the final years are averaged at $8. Can that be done? It allows for more cap wiggle room in years that we need to reup our young players.)

5) Sign Andre Miller to a 2yr/$10M contract.

New lineup is young, athletic, talented inside and out while also having sage veteran leaders.

We turn Deron into: Favors, Kanter, Burks (by keeping our own pick last year by missing the playoffs with the Deron trade.), Lillard or Marshall (Harris trade), Erick Gordon (w GSW pick)

Andre Miller/Watson/Lillard or Marshall
Eric Gordon/Burks
Hayward/Carrol
Favors/Kanter
Jefferson/Drummond

6) Sign either Brandon Rush or Novak.

I know this assumes certain things like the Wizards being willing to take Millsap (not unrealistic) as long as they don't get a chance at Robinson. It assumes that Portland would want to trade a pick for Harris (although if they use their #6 pick do they really want 2 rookies while trying to compete?) They aren't resigning Felton and need a legit pro who is good with the pick and roll... Harris fits that bill. Also, I assume NOLA would be willing to do that trade but my question is does Gordon really want to resign with Nola? They passed on paying him once, and if they are picking #4 or higher they are likely to take a wing player like Beal. If that happens they might look favorably at getting another lottery pick since they are not ready to compete with Gordon now.

Thoughts.

All my opinions, not intended to be hostile but conversational.

1- a pick in the 3-5 range should produce an all-star to all-pro caliber player (at least that's the target for picks in that range). Hard to imagine why a team would trade for Millsap who has never been an all-star, and who's ceiling is lower than the players available at that pick, and who has far fewer years to contribute to a franchise than those players. My guess with Millsap's value in this draft would be the 6-8 range.
2- Devin Harris is a terrible fit in Portland who prefers to play slow down ball in a half court set. Phoenix at #13 might be a better fit for Harris' strengths in transition.
3- Possibly could amnesty Bell and save the money we'd be paying another team to acquire him and his awful contract in a trade. See other thread.
4- Love Eric Gordon, but might be hard to pry for the Jazz. One player I'm hearing is acquirable is James Harden.
5- Love Miller's game, but he would only come here if he knew he'd have the #1 spot...and then we have to assume he doesn't want to take less money to go run the PG for a title contender.
6- Rush, Novak, Belineli, and other shooters will be added. As much of a liability Korver was, when he was in the game, he stretched the floor and brought a different element off the bench. Gotta have a zone buster.

blackham9258 · Post #3 » by **blackham9258** » Wed May 9, 2012 6:42 pm

I would love Harden more if he were acquireable. I would amend everything and offer Millsap/GSW for him... but I think he is far less available than Gordon. Gordon I think could be had because he does have an injury history, and they will be getting 2 lottery picks this year and would be (with the trade) getting 2 next year.

They could make the argument that not matching a $44M contract is smart while acquiring a lottery pick.

phrizzo · Post #4 » by **phrizzo** » Wed May 9, 2012 7:32 pm

we should trade both millsap and jefferson and sign ersan ilyasova. great shooter and rebounder. can start at the 4 next to favors and probably play some 3. also he's turkish and i feel like that would greatly benefit kanter.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #5 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Wed May 9, 2012 9:52 pm

I really believe that we NEED to take advantage of this deep draft and our glut of big man assets and make a move into the lottery. Now, is Millsap worth a top 5 pick? Absolutely not. However, I still feel like we could/should move him and/or Jefferson for a top 10-15 pick. This is of course assuming we don't get the GSW pick. If we land the GS pick, I think we should use Millsap or AJ to try and move into the top 3 or 5.

I would love to get Ersan in a Jazz uniform but the Bucks are going to over pay him.

HolyToledo · Post #6 » by **HolyToledo** » Wed May 9, 2012 10:12 pm

I throw a max contract at Eric Gordon. Trade Millsap and Bell for a mid-1st round pick which gets us under the cap. Trade Jefferson, Harris, and rights to GSW pick to Houston for Scola, Dalambert, and Lowry. Jazz lineup (a championship contender).

PG Lowry Watson (1st round pick Wroten/Marshall)
SG Gordon Burks Carroll
C Favors Kantor Dalambert
PF Scola Evans (second round pick)
SF Hayward Carroll

Post #7 » by **StocktonShorts** » Thu May 10, 2012 1:24 am

HolyToledo wrote:I throw a max contract at Eric Gordon. Trade Millsap and Bell for a mid-1st round pick which gets us under the cap. Trade Jefferson, Harris, and rights to GSW pick to Houston for Scola, Dalambert, and Lowry. Jazz lineup (a championship contender).

PG Lowry Watson (1st round pick Wroten/Marshall)
SG Gordon Burks Carroll
C Favors Kantor Dalambert
PF Scola Evans (second round pick)
SF Hayward Carroll

Why would Houston do that?

And who is going to use their capspace to absorb Millsap and Bell's contracts?

Post #8 » by **StocktonShorts** » Thu May 10, 2012 1:26 am

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:I really believe that we NEED to take advantage of this deep draft and our glut of big man assets and make a move into the lottery. Now, is Millsap worth a top 5 pick? Absolutely not. However, I still feel like we could/should move him and/or Jefferson for a top 10-15 pick. This is of course assuming we don't get the GSW pick. If we land the GS pick, I think we should use Millsap or AJ to try and move into the top 3 or 5.

I think this is the most realistic plan.

Spottieottie · Post #9 » by **Spottieottie** » Thu May 10, 2012 1:30 am

Im guessing we pick up some of the left over shooters - 3rd tier free agents - on some discount, 2 year deals. Danny Green and others like him.

blackham9258 · Post #10 » by **blackham9258** » Thu May 10, 2012 3:02 am

I think we have to pull out all the stop to get an all star scorer. There are two that I think can be had... maybe:

Eric Gordon and James Harden (i am not sure if he can be had)

Adding 2nd and 3rd tier players won't cut it and we need to use some combination of: Milsap/GSW pick/ TPE/ and possibly even Burks or Hayward (only for Harden) to get it done.

Post #11 » by **StocktonShorts** » Thu May 10, 2012 3:25 am

I think you're seriously undervaluing Harden.

RussellandFlow · Post #12 » by **RussellandFlow** » Thu May 10, 2012 4:17 am

You're not getting a top 10 pick for Milsap let alone a pick in the top 5 in this draft. Realistically, you might be able to get a pick in the 17-24 range for him.

Spottieottie · Post #13 » by **Spottieottie** » Thu May 10, 2012 4:23 am

Top 5 pick? Yeah no way. I think Millsap for like the #10 pick is fair value. Look at recent #10 picks and see how they stack to Mr. Sapp. 17-24... lmao

Spottieottie · Post #14 » by **Spottieottie** » Thu May 10, 2012 4:31 am

#10 picks last 10 years:

2011 - Fredette
2010 - Paul George
2009 - Brandon Jennings
2008 - Brook Lopez
2007 - Spencer Hawes
2006 - Saer Sene
2005 - Bynum
2004 - Luke Jackson
2003 - Jarvis Hayes
2002 - Caron Butler

Offered straight up, the only players that definitely wouldn't be traded for Millsap are Andrew Bynum and Paul George. Brook Lopez probably wouldn't be traded either. I think most people would trade Jennings for Millsap if they could. There's really only 1/10 players better than Millsap the last 10 years - with George and Lopez getting the benefit of the doubt based on age and potential.

17-24 pick... I'm still laughing

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #15 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Sat May 12, 2012 12:31 am

Did they just say that Nash liked Utah as one of his options this off season during the Clippers/Memphis pre-game???

Did anyone else see that?

Spottieottie · Post #16 » by **Spottieottie** » Sat May 12, 2012 1:10 am

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Did they just say that Nash liked Utah as one of his options this off season during the Clippers/Memphis pre-game???

Did anyone else see that?

Dude I would amnesty Harris to high heaven to make this possible. And I like Harris.

Or maybe trade Al Jeff? Would him and Nash mesh?

But Nash and Favors :drool:

Spottieottie · Post #17 » by **Spottieottie** » Sat May 12, 2012 6:29 pm

Just realized that Brandon Rush is outta KC, just like Earl Watson and Alec Burks. Recruitment ?

Post #18 » by **StocktonShorts** » Sat May 12, 2012 7:48 pm

Spottieottie wrote:
UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Did they just say that Nash liked Utah as one of his options this off season during the Clippers/Memphis pre-game???

Did anyone else see that?

Dude I would amnesty Harris to high heaven to make this possible. And I like Harris.

Or maybe trade Al Jeff? Would him and Nash mesh?

But Nash and Favors :drool:

Nash wouldn't mesh with Al. He holds and stops the ball, and that's not what you want from a big if you have Nash on your team.

For whatever reason Corbin refused to put him in the pick and roll more often even though Harris wanted to. Instead if was dump it to Big Al and watch.

Corbin didn't even have the sense to attempt to space the floor to give Al passing opportunities.

Hoops Addict · Post #19 » by **Hoops Addict** » Sun May 13, 2012 2:50 am

Spottieottie wrote:
UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Did they just say that Nash liked Utah as one of his options this off season during the Clippers/Memphis pre-game???

Did anyone else see that?

Dude I would amnesty Harris to high heaven to make this possible. And I like Harris.

Or maybe trade Al Jeff? Would him and Nash mesh?

But Nash and Favors :drool:

I bet Nash would not come here, BUT if he would I would amnesty Harris or do anything other than trading our 4 young guys.

i wonder if the Free Agent from Houston would com to the Jazz for a reasonable salary. $5M a year?

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #20 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Sun May 13, 2012 6:09 am

Hoops Addict wrote:I bet Nash would not come here...

Well according to whoever was doing the pre-game show, Nash has interest in signing here in Utah so...

Taking things in a different direction... I think we should get in and draft Perry Jones if he is on the board later in the lottery. I'd even be willing to take him with the #8 pick if we get it. Made up my mind and I still think that he is a top 5 talent if he gets put into the right situation. I think if he comes here that we could keep him on the bench until we can mold him into the player he can and should be.

I would also love get to Jeremy Lamb.

Just throwing those names out there even though people are hating on them.