Josh Smith's Value is Dropping

[MaceCase]

No one is saying the Pacers should trade anybody because they have this thing called cap flexibility. Only 33 million on the books with George Hill and Hibbert being the only free agents of note and I doubt both or either get maxed out. They can realistically add to their already good team to get them over the hump, the Hawks on the other hand can't without moving a valuable piece.

[Jamaaliver]

Do you guys agree that the Spurs no longer have a top 10 player?

But instead have depth, discipline and great coaching?

That's the model I'd love to see us follow. Duncan is waaaaay past his prime, but they reload year in and year out.

They consistently win their division and are always a contender in the west. (And yes, I do recall that they lost last year in the first round of the playoffs.)

[Geaux_Hawks]

Do you guys agree that the Spurs no longer have a top 10 player?

But instead have depth, discipline and great coaching?

That's the model I'd love to see us follow. Duncan is waaaaay past his prime, but they reload year in and year out.

They consistently win their division and are always a contender in the west. (And yes, I do recall that they lost last year in the first round of the playoffs.)

With great coaching, discipline will come naturally. A competent GM can build depth through the draft and find the rough gems in free agency and is willing to take a risk on a guy like Stephen Jackson via trade..

[Superiorblogman]

I don't see how Josh's value has changed any. It was never that high and it is not currently that low. I will say it is steady. His fan club fell in love with his numbers during his good run, but true fans and longtime observers of the Hawks new that it was fools gold because all he was doing was making more jumpers than usual. He is not a jump shooter he will eventually die by the jumper. I think we should totally blow it up by trading all 6 players under contract, but if not I still think Josh could land you a lottery pick or Rudy Gay at worse which I would rather have than Josh. Brook Lopez is the best you could hope to get from him in a trade for a player.

[Rip2137]

Its always better to win 15 games a year than to be in the playoffs competing.

[MaceCase]

Do you guys agree that the Spurs no longer have a top 10 player?

But instead have depth, discipline and great coaching?

That's the model I'd love to see us follow. Duncan is waaaaay past his prime, but they reload year in and year out.

They consistently win their division and are always a contender in the west. (And yes, I do recall that they lost last year in the first round of the playoffs.)

With great coaching, discipline will come naturally. A competent GM can build depth through the draft and find the rough gems in free agency and is willing to take a risk on a guy like Stephen Jackson via trade..

A coach can only bring discipline to those that want to be disciplined. Look at the trouble that even Phil Jackson had to get Kobe where he is currently. Look at the trouble the both of them had trying to get Artest under control and how long it took Bynum to mature. It all starts with the player first.

Pop said it best himself

We get guys who want to do their job and go home and aren’t impressed with the hoopla. One of the keys is to bring in guys who have gotten over themselves. They either want to prove that they can play in this league—or they want to prove nothing. They fill their role and know the pecking order. We have three guys who are the best players, and everyone else fits around them.” -

The Spurs' guys aren't concerned with getting their touches, whether or not they start and get their minutes or complain that they didn't get recognized for an All Star game. They just want to win and do so by filling their designated roles to the best of their abilities.

[Jamaaliver]

1. Couldn't have said it better than Pop.

2. Still waiting for Bynum to mature.

3. This quote from an ajc.com reader sums up why feelings about J-Smoove:

Why?
May 11th, 2012
12:15 pm
If Josh Smith is their best player, then the Hawk’s are in real trouble. Yes, I know he is very talented and athletic. But, how many points does he give up a game through lazy passes, technicals, pouting?

4. How is it that Josh is probably the worst jumpshooter on the team, yet shoots the most jumpers?

[Jamaaliver]

5. I had to tend to the little one last night during the 4th qtr. Did I hear Smoove got a technical foul in the last 5 minutes?

Didn't we lose by 1 point?

[Rip2137]

Yep one of the 3 bs techs the refs only handed out to the Hawks. And we lost by 3. One tech on Teague that was horrible, one tech on Damp for a slight bump on Hollins and apparently Josh had threaten to murder the ref apparently, because he got a tech after numerous closeups of Garnett cursing at refs.

[Geaux_Hawks]

True, the player has to want to be disciplined, but the coach plays a big role in him wanting to be just that. Joe and josh could easily flourish under pop or Thibs or Sloan. They aren't like Artest and Bynum.

[Jamaaliver]

This is a terrible argument on so many fronts. Why don't you find me a list of 19 and 10 guys who play stellar defense and are great passers? I'll wait. Seriously, find me

I finally thought of one!!! He used to be a backup PF for Utah I think.

[azuresou1]

Millsap is way better now than he was in 2011-2012, not seeing how he's relevant to what we should have done back then when we were still paying Joe $20/year to iso for midrange jumpers.

[Yungsta404]

I never thought josh had much trade value around the league because no1 wanted to deal with his BS no matter how talented he was.

[parson]

I honestly don't believe we ever had the ability to make a good trade for Smith, although I know Jamaaliver is sure we could. My memory is always poor but I remember we spent a lot of time dreaming of Smith trades.

[D21]

This is a terrible argument on so many fronts. Why don't you find me a list of 19 and 10 guys who play stellar defense and are great passers? I'll wait. Seriously, find me

I finally thought of one!!! He used to be a backup PF for Utah I think

... and he instantly got an All-Star selection, something Josh never got while deserving it more than some guys.
Milsap is just playing with more IQ, so it really means than Josh never got his selection because coaches didn't want to select a guy shooting long 2s (some coaches said it some years ago).

[Jamaaliver]

This is a terrible argument on so many fronts. Why don't you find me a list of 19 and 10 guys who play stellar defense and are great passers? I'll wait. Seriously, find me

I finally thought of one!!! He used to be a backup PF for Utah I think

... and he instantly got an All-Star selection, something Josh never got while deserving it more than some guys.
Milsap is just playing with more IQ, so it really means than Josh never got his selection because coaches didn't want to select a guy shooting long 2s (some coaches said it some years ago).

Josh Smith...is a blockhead. Still doing the same stupid things years later. His new fanbase wanted him gone weeks after the season started.

Millsap and Horford have half the talent of the self proclaimed 'Midrange Shawty', but are twice the player he'll ever be. Because he's a lazy, moronic blockhead.

I can't believe people are still defending him. There's a reason no one wanted him last summer. And why he's considered untradeable already. And why the Pistons have already considered trading him 3 and half months in.

He is a blockhead.

[D21]

I'm not really defending him, I defend his potential, but I was saying that he ruined his level himself by continuing to take long 2s, and that the selection of Milsap just shows it.