If Lin gets traded, will you follow the new team?

[Stannis]

Never understood the point of posting "Didn't Read" gifs.

[spre8well]

will still keep track on Knicks' season record like I did over the last ten years before Linsanity; won't watch many boring ISO games. will also keep track on the record of Lin's new team; won't watch many of Lin's game tho since he's no longer a Knick..

[NYStateofMind]

Lin will be a failure in NY and ruin the knicks worse than before.

Here is why.

There is no way in hell he is going to live up to the expectations that are being placed on him. Like many young knicks before him. The sky walkers and lavar postels of the world. Even the lampes and milos's that never play. No one will ever let a young player just be who he is naturally. Takes years. Look at Landry. Everyone has forgotten he was a second round pick that got a shot by default. He was viewed as the replacement lottery pick that went to utah after being booed. Top 3 rookie drafted in the bottom half. Now he stinks and should walk. No he's not that good. He never really was though. Just a solid ass second round pick. Best in years. But its forgotten because the bar was set above his reach.

The next reason is the most important and dangerous to the franchise. He is not a basketball player to ownership. He is a international money maker. Not only is the pressure on Lin. The pressure is on coaching to feature him from up top. Up top cares more about profit than wins. If Lin turns out to be nothing more than a solid rotation player, there maybe pressure from up top to feature him as a star.

Kid already got hurt being pushed. Its bad enough we have to drop the MLE on a player we got for the minimum and played a few amazing games. Now the fans expect him to be a super star. And the front office expects a super star international money maker. If he proves to be a solid rotation player and nothing more,..he might be forced to be something he is not at the expense of the team. So where are the "team ball" cry babies that hate melo and love lin? The money over basketball **** dolan people? Yall really think Lin is a basketball decision and not a business move? Just like carmelo was?

Dont think so? Ok. Why else would grunwald been given security? What is his claim to fame?

I think its funny. We signed him as a free agent after being cut. Didnt draft him. Sent him down and almost cut him. D'antoni runs out of options. And lets him go. He produces for a few weeks. Now all of a sudden he is a home grown talent. This fell in our laps. We didnt grow it. Thats a contradiction to the linsanity yall loved. We bought this. Just like amare. Just like melo. We didnt grow it. He was waiting for the chance. We didnt mold it. We ran out of options and took a swing in the dark. For once it was a base hit. Not good enough. Push it to a triple before he crosses second.

Im happy for him and happy he did this as a knick. But knick fans need to learn. Its us the fans who are killing these players. Because the expectations are set way to high. People hate amare because he dont rebound and defend. Well? When did he ever do that? Im mad at him for other reasons. Not for not doing what I knew he couldnt do to begin with.

Like I said its bad enough he is going to suck up our only resource to add a decent player. But now people want to set the bar so high. Why dont we just wait and see if he comes back from his injury. Then wait and see if he can play a full season or 2 and contribute before we set expectations? You know. Like normal fans?

Maybe its the NY impatience. You wont know till you leave. That high strung impatience is making you and those around you miserable.

Just let the kid be. As far as trades and the team. Ewing was the franchise fixture. First in a long time. Another one who never lived up to the expectations set on him. He was traded. How many sonic fans are here? Curse of Ewing? Yall dont know what your talking about. He demanded money. Demanded minutes. Didnt get it when he wanted and demanded a trade. No curse. He asked for it. Ewing messed us over by being greedy and demanding. And he knows that.

If anything it was the starks and oakley trades that hurt most recently. The frazier trade. How many knick fans jumped ship then? Mark Jackson for charles smith. Rod strickland. How about mason. Everyone loved LJ. He took a nose dive and was never the all star he was. Mason became a all star. Do people forget that mason was the primary defender of teams best big men? And how he helped lead us to the finals in 94? How he was always a 6th man of the year candidate?

I dont recall many knick fans jumping ship after some of these deals. Starks was so real, and such a knick, he refused to play for the bulls after being traded. REFUSED!!

The starks trade dont hurt? Why cause of spree? Mason cause of LJ? People crying over gallo and his flimsy ass. Chandler and his broken ass. Mozgov and his confused ass. Felton and his fat ass. And they hate melo. Like any of those guys did more for the knicks than oakley. Who was traded for camby. And his fragile ass. Who was traded along with nene for dice. And his damaged ass.

I dont mind people following the knicks because they have something in common with lin. But listen. Know you position. And shut the hell up. You dont fall off the wagon in these parts. You get tossed off. Keep a low profile and enjoy the show you came to see.

Sense when did new yorkers become so sensitive to loss? I can give you a few examples of loss we have suffered outside of sports. But wont out of respect. I dont recall that breaking us. If Lin breaks you as a fan, then you was not a fan. And if you love Lin so much then maybe you just figured something out about yourself you didnt know, pink ass. And that shiny prong sticking out of your ass is a spoon. Pull it out and eat the scoop. Mmmm. Taste your reality. **** happens. Stand firm or stand down.

Everything you said is spot on, but it's sadly all falling on deaf ears when expressed in a place like this, because this board is barely filled with die-hard Knicks fans anymore.

When I first joined here, it was a group of die-hard fans who were mostly intelligent adults looking for an outlet to discuss the team. The breakdown was probably 80% die-hard Knicks fans, 10% casual Knicks fans, and 10% posters from other forums. Now this board is probably about 40% die-hard Knicks fans, 25% Jeremy Lin fans,15% casual Knicks fans, 10% Melo fans, and 10% posters from other boards. Not to mention I'd say the demographics have shifted from around 20-25% teenagers to around 50-60% (probably by virtue of the internet's extended reach in today's age). Of course, I'm pulling these numbers directly out of my ass, but I've been here a while and can tell you that the basic changes that have taken place on this forum are utterly depressing and almost make it not worth participating in/contributing to anymore. I sure as hell have stopped posting largely for that reason.

The point is that the expectations you're speaking of (in the case of Jeremy Lin, at least) is being set by Jeremy Lin fanboys, not by Knicks fans. I agree with you that Knicks fans do set expectations higher when it comes to their players, and IMO rightfully so in many cases, but this one is out of our control. I don't think there's any true Knicks fans that don't see the flaws in Lin's game and recognize that he very well might not be a starting caliber point guard in this league for years to come. He might just be a solid rotational player, and there's nothing wrong with that.

The pressure being put on Dolan and Co. to spend our MLE on him and to feature him as THE GUY comes from the massive Asian population which supports him simply for the dual reason of being Asian and being a good role model. So even though your evocation of the cases of Ewing, Starks, Oakley, Frazier, Jackson, Strickland, Mason, and Gallo/Chandler/Mozgov/Felton are true, they aren't apt for the discussion of Jeremy Lin, which is one of aberration that sadly comes down to politics.

And in terms of my rant on board demographics, basically, this:

This thread is in some ways a microcosm of all that is wrong with this board.

The problem with this board is teenagers.

With each day that passes me by in life, I enjoy this forum less and less.

[Thugger HBC]

Lin will be a failure in NY and ruin the knicks worse than before.

Here is why.

There is no way in hell he is going to live up to the expectations that are being placed on him. Like many young knicks before him. The sky walkers and lavar postels of the world. Even the lampes and milos's that never play. No one will ever let a young player just be who he is naturally. Takes years. Look at Landry. Everyone has forgotten he was a second round pick that got a shot by default. He was viewed as the replacement lottery pick that went to utah after being booed. Top 3 rookie drafted in the bottom half. Now he stinks and should walk. No he's not that good. He never really was though. Just a solid ass second round pick. Best in years. But its forgotten because the bar was set above his reach.

The next reason is the most important and dangerous to the franchise. He is not a basketball player to ownership. He is a international money maker. Not only is the pressure on Lin. The pressure is on coaching to feature him from up top. Up top cares more about profit than wins. If Lin turns out to be nothing more than a solid rotation player, there maybe pressure from up top to feature him as a star.

Kid already got hurt being pushed. Its bad enough we have to drop the MLE on a player we got for the minimum and played a few amazing games. Now the fans expect him to be a super star. And the front office expects a super star international money maker. If he proves to be a solid rotation player and nothing more,..he might be forced to be something he is not at the expense of the team. So where are the "team ball" cry babies that hate melo and love lin? The money over basketball **** dolan people? Yall really think Lin is a basketball decision and not a business move? Just like carmelo was?

Dont think so? Ok. Why else would grunwald been given security? What is his claim to fame?

I think its funny. We signed him as a free agent after being cut. Didnt draft him. Sent him down and almost cut him. D'antoni runs out of options. And lets him go. He produces for a few weeks. Now all of a sudden he is a home grown talent. This fell in our laps. We didnt grow it. Thats a contradiction to the linsanity yall loved. We bought this. Just like amare. Just like melo. We didnt grow it. He was waiting for the chance. We didnt mold it. We ran out of options and took a swing in the dark. For once it was a base hit. Not good enough. Push it to a triple before he crosses second.

Im happy for him and happy he did this as a knick. But knick fans need to learn. Its us the fans who are killing these players. Because the expectations are set way to high. People hate amare because he dont rebound and defend. Well? When did he ever do that? Im mad at him for other reasons. Not for not doing what I knew he couldnt do to begin with.

Like I said its bad enough he is going to suck up our only resource to add a decent player. But now people want to set the bar so high. Why dont we just wait and see if he comes back from his injury. Then wait and see if he can play a full season or 2 and contribute before we set expectations? You know. Like normal fans?

Maybe its the NY impatience. You wont know till you leave. That high strung impatience is making you and those around you miserable.

Just let the kid be. As far as trades and the team. Ewing was the franchise fixture. First in a long time. Another one who never lived up to the expectations set on him. He was traded. How many sonic fans are here? Curse of Ewing? Yall dont know what your talking about. He demanded money. Demanded minutes. Didnt get it when he wanted and demanded a trade. No curse. He asked for it. Ewing messed us over by being greedy and demanding. And he knows that.

If anything it was the starks and oakley trades that hurt most recently. The frazier trade. How many knick fans jumped ship then? Mark Jackson for charles smith. Rod strickland. How about mason. Everyone loved LJ. He took a nose dive and was never the all star he was. Mason became a all star. Do people forget that mason was the primary defender of teams best big men? And how he helped lead us to the finals in 94? How he was always a 6th man of the year candidate?

I dont recall many knick fans jumping ship after some of these deals. Starks was so real, and such a knick, he refused to play for the bulls after being traded. REFUSED!!

The starks trade dont hurt? Why cause of spree? Mason cause of LJ? People crying over gallo and his flimsy ass. Chandler and his broken ass. Mozgov and his confused ass. Felton and his fat ass. And they hate melo. Like any of those guys did more for the knicks than oakley. Who was traded for camby. And his fragile ass. Who was traded along with nene for dice. And his damaged ass.

I dont mind people following the knicks because they have something in common with lin. But listen. Know you position. And shut the hell up. You dont fall off the wagon in these parts. You get tossed off. Keep a low profile and enjoy the show you came to see.

Sense when did new yorkers become so sensitive to loss? I can give you a few examples of loss we have suffered outside of sports. But wont out of respect. I dont recall that breaking us. If Lin breaks you as a fan, then you was not a fan. And if you love Lin so much then maybe you just figured something out about yourself you didnt know, pink ass. And that shiny prong sticking out of your ass is a spoon. Pull it out and eat the scoop. Mmmm. Taste your reality. **** happens. Stand firm or stand down.

Total truth.

This post should have it's very own sticky thread.

Sent from my Asus Transformer Prime TF-201

[vallen]

How do you trade a FA ?

[Fat Kat]

Lin will be a failure in NY and ruin the knicks worse than before.

Here is why.

There is no way in hell he is going to live up to the expectations that are being placed on him. Like many young knicks before him. The sky walkers and lavar postels of the world. Even the lampes and milos's that never play. No one will ever let a young player just be who he is naturally. Takes years. Look at Landry. Everyone has forgotten he was a second round pick that got a shot by default. He was viewed as the replacement lottery pick that went to utah after being booed. Top 3 rookie drafted in the bottom half. Now he stinks and should walk. No he's not that good. He never really was though. Just a solid ass second round pick. Best in years. But its forgotten because the bar was set above his reach.

The next reason is the most important and dangerous to the franchise. He is not a basketball player to ownership. He is a international money maker. Not only is the pressure on Lin. The pressure is on coaching to feature him from up top. Up top cares more about profit than wins. If Lin turns out to be nothing more than a solid rotation player, there maybe pressure from up top to feature him as a star.

Kid already got hurt being pushed. Its bad enough we have to drop the MLE on a player we got for the minimum and played a few amazing games. Now the fans expect him to be a super star. And the front office expects a super star international money maker. If he proves to be a solid rotation player and nothing more,..he might be forced to be something he is not at the expense of the team. So where are the "team ball" cry babies that hate melo and love lin? The money over basketball **** dolan people? Yall really think Lin is a basketball decision and not a business move? Just like carmelo was?

Dont think so? Ok. Why else would grunwald been given security? What is his claim to fame?

I think its funny. We signed him as a free agent after being cut. Didnt draft him. Sent him down and almost cut him. D'antoni runs out of options. And lets him go. He produces for a few weeks. Now all of a sudden he is a home grown talent. This fell in our laps. We didnt grow it. Thats a contradiction to the linsanity yall loved. We bought this. Just like amare. Just like melo. We didnt grow it. He was waiting for the chance. We didnt mold it. We ran out of options and took a swing in the dark. For once it was a base hit. Not good enough. Push it to a triple before he crosses second.

Im happy for him and happy he did this as a knick. But knick fans need to learn. Its us the fans who are killing these players. Because the expectations are set way to high. People hate amare because he dont rebound and defend. Well? When did he ever do that? Im mad at him for other reasons. Not for not doing what I knew he couldnt do to begin with.

Like I said its bad enough he is going to suck up our only resource to add a decent player. But now people want to set the bar so high. Why dont we just wait and see if he comes back from his injury. Then wait and see if he can play a full season or 2 and contribute before we set expectations? You know. Like normal fans?

Maybe its the NY impatience. You wont know till you leave. That high strung impatience is making you and those around you miserable.

Just let the kid be. As far as trades and the team. Ewing was the franchise fixture. First in a long time. Another one who never lived up to the expectations set on him. He was traded. How many sonic fans are here? Curse of Ewing? Yall dont know what your talking about. He demanded money. Demanded minutes. Didnt get it when he wanted and demanded a trade. No curse. He asked for it. Ewing messed us over by being greedy and demanding. And he knows that.

If anything it was the starks and oakley trades that hurt most recently. The frazier trade. How many knick fans jumped ship then? Mark Jackson for charles smith. Rod strickland. How about mason. Everyone loved LJ. He took a nose dive and was never the all star he was. Mason became a all star. Do people forget that mason was the primary defender of teams best big men? And how he helped lead us to the finals in 94? How he was always a 6th man of the year candidate?

I dont recall many knick fans jumping ship after some of these deals. Starks was so real, and such a knick, he refused to play for the bulls after being traded. REFUSED!!

The starks trade dont hurt? Why cause of spree? Mason cause of LJ? People crying over gallo and his flimsy ass. Chandler and his broken ass. Mozgov and his confused ass. Felton and his fat ass. And they hate melo. Like any of those guys did more for the knicks than oakley. Who was traded for camby. And his fragile ass. Who was traded along with nene for dice. And his damaged ass.

I dont mind people following the knicks because they have something in common with lin. But listen. Know you position. And shut the hell up. You dont fall off the wagon in these parts. You get tossed off. Keep a low profile and enjoy the show you came to see.

Sense when did new yorkers become so sensitive to loss? I can give you a few examples of loss we have suffered outside of sports. But wont out of respect. I dont recall that breaking us. If Lin breaks you as a fan, then you was not a fan. And if you love Lin so much then maybe you just figured something out about yourself you didnt know, pink ass. And that shiny prong sticking out of your ass is a spoon. Pull it out and eat the scoop. Mmmm. Taste your reality. **** happens. Stand firm or stand down.

Great post Kane. You never disappoint.

[Falstaffxx]

How do you trade a FA ?

That's what I'd like to know. If we could actually trade Lin, and get back a player would help the team more, I'd be fine with it. But I'm not understanding how this works within the rules.

[SonOfMars]

How did some of you guys get attached so quickly?

[Falstaffxx]

How did some of you guys get attached so quickly?

I'm attached to the idea of having a good young point guard that we can actually retain for years to come. Considering we spent the 6 months leading up to last season bemoaning our lack of exactly that, I would expect more people to share my position.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Hell no.

[Smoke24]

I'm not really following the playoffs much right now because my team isn't in it. To say a player, all of two weeks fame, is going to make me change my stance on my team is running in front of a speeding train crazy...

[cgmw]

I've been rooting for the Knicks religiously since I was smaller than I can remember. But it doesn't bother me one bit that Jeremy Lin has drawn in so many new fans who otherwise wouldn't have given one sh*t about the Knicks or perhaps even the NBA or basketball itself.

People need to stop feeling threatened by other people's motivations to cheer. I don't think the OP was suggeting old-time Knick fans would all-of-a-sudden stop being Knick fans if Lin left. As people have pointed out repeatedly, that's just absurd.

I think as the shine starts to rub off on Jeremy and people see him for the player he actually is (good, but flawed) we'll have a better understanding of just who these new fans are and what it means to the franchise. But chill out with the holier-than-thou bandwagon bashing. There's no membership requirements for rooting on a sports team. New fans don't owe me anything.

If people want to root for whatever team Jeremy Lin happens to be playing for, good for them. No skin off my back. I root for him because he's a Knick, but I also enjoy his game and respect him as a player and a man. I'd certainly root for him on whatever other team he might play for, unless it was the Bulls, Heat, Pacers, Celtics, or Sixers. Because f*ck those teams.

[Tim Horton]

you're all welcome to root for the Raptors!

[spre8well]

Lin will be a failure in NY and ruin the knicks worse than before.

Here is why.

There is no way in hell he is going to live up to the expectations that are being placed on him. Like many young knicks before him. The sky walkers and lavar postels of the world. Even the lampes and milos's that never play. No one will ever let a young player just be who he is naturally. Takes years. Look at Landry. Everyone has forgotten he was a second round pick that got a shot by default. He was viewed as the replacement lottery pick that went to utah after being booed. Top 3 rookie drafted in the bottom half. Now he stinks and should walk. No he's not that good. He never really was though. Just a solid ass second round pick. Best in years. But its forgotten because the bar was set above his reach.

The next reason is the most important and dangerous to the franchise. He is not a basketball player to ownership. He is a international money maker. Not only is the pressure on Lin. The pressure is on coaching to feature him from up top. Up top cares more about profit than wins. If Lin turns out to be nothing more than a solid rotation player, there maybe pressure from up top to feature him as a star.

Kid already got hurt being pushed. Its bad enough we have to drop the MLE on a player we got for the minimum and played a few amazing games. Now the fans expect him to be a super star. And the front office expects a super star international money maker. If he proves to be a solid rotation player and nothing more,..he might be forced to be something he is not at the expense of the team. So where are the "team ball" cry babies that hate melo and love lin? The money over basketball **** dolan people? Yall really think Lin is a basketball decision and not a business move? Just like carmelo was?

Dont think so? Ok. Why else would grunwald been given security? What is his claim to fame?

I think its funny. We signed him as a free agent after being cut. Didnt draft him. Sent him down and almost cut him. D'antoni runs out of options. And lets him go. He produces for a few weeks. Now all of a sudden he is a home grown talent. This fell in our laps. We didnt grow it. Thats a contradiction to the linsanity yall loved. We bought this. Just like amare. Just like melo. We didnt grow it. He was waiting for the chance. We didnt mold it. We ran out of options and took a swing in the dark. For once it was a base hit. Not good enough. Push it to a triple before he crosses second.

Im happy for him and happy he did this as a knick. But knick fans need to learn. Its us the fans who are killing these players. Because the expectations are set way to high. People hate amare because he dont rebound and defend. Well? When did he ever do that? Im mad at him for other reasons. Not for not doing what I knew he couldnt do to begin with.

Like I said its bad enough he is going to suck up our only resource to add a decent player. But now people want to set the bar so high. Why dont we just wait and see if he comes back from his injury. Then wait and see if he can play a full season or 2 and contribute before we set expectations? You know. Like normal fans?

Maybe its the NY impatience. You wont know till you leave. That high strung impatience is making you and those around you miserable.

Just let the kid be. As far as trades and the team. Ewing was the franchise fixture. First in a long time. Another one who never lived up to the expectations set on him. He was traded. How many sonic fans are here? Curse of Ewing? Yall dont know what your talking about. He demanded money. Demanded minutes. Didnt get it when he wanted and demanded a trade. No curse. He asked for it. Ewing messed us over by being greedy and demanding. And he knows that.

If anything it was the starks and oakley trades that hurt most recently. The frazier trade. How many knick fans jumped ship then? Mark Jackson for charles smith. Rod strickland. How about mason. Everyone loved LJ. He took a nose dive and was never the all star he was. Mason became a all star. Do people forget that mason was the primary defender of teams best big men? And how he helped lead us to the finals in 94? How he was always a 6th man of the year candidate?

I dont recall many knick fans jumping ship after some of these deals. Starks was so real, and such a knick, he refused to play for the bulls after being traded. REFUSED!!

The starks trade dont hurt? Why cause of spree? Mason cause of LJ? People crying over gallo and his flimsy ass. Chandler and his broken ass. Mozgov and his confused ass. Felton and his fat ass. And they hate melo. Like any of those guys did more for the knicks than oakley. Who was traded for camby. And his fragile ass. Who was traded along with nene for dice. And his damaged ass.

I dont mind people following the knicks because they have something in common with lin. But listen. Know you position. And shut the hell up. You dont fall off the wagon in these parts. You get tossed off. Keep a low profile and enjoy the show you came to see.

Sense when did new yorkers become so sensitive to loss? I can give you a few examples of loss we have suffered outside of sports. But wont out of respect. I dont recall that breaking us. If Lin breaks you as a fan, then you was not a fan. And if you love Lin so much then maybe you just figured something out about yourself you didnt know, pink ass. And that shiny prong sticking out of your ass is a spoon. Pull it out and eat the scoop. Mmmm. Taste your reality. **** happens. Stand firm or stand down.

Total truth.

This post should have it's very own sticky thread.

Sent from my Asus Transformer Prime TF-201

Yes, make it a sticky thread for this comment alone --> "Lin will be a failure in NY and ruin the knicks worse than before." But will it stay stick when Lin once again prove all doubters wrong?

[barborous]

dumb thread. i'd probably follow him in the way i follow rondo even though as a general rule i dislike the celtics.

But chill out with the holier-than-thou bandwagon bashing. There's no membership requirements for rooting on a sports team. New fans don't owe me anything.

If people want to root for whatever team Jeremy Lin happens to be playing for, good for them. No skin off my back.

+1

[Woodsanity]

I follow all kinds of teams. Depends on what team he joins. I mean if its a team I don't like I would probably look at the box scores.

[elliotquine]

Looks like we have a nice distribution going.

Enjoy your weekends all, and hopefully we will see Lin back as a Knicks next season.

[DocZaius]

another thread on "how to be a fan"

gtfo

[Trashmelo]

Just FYI, if you don't think the hate on Lin is racially motivated, let's look at the racial demographic of the most anti-Jeremy Lin hate group.

I bet I'm at least 90% right with this list. That's how predictable these people are. Easy to spot with their racial biases.

kane2021 - Puerto Rican
JBreezeNY - Black or Puerto Rican (guessing black)
Thugger HBC - Black (tries to play both sides, but almost every "compliment" is backhanded. he's probably the most racist poster here. Borderline black extremist but tries to hide it like we don't notice the pattern of his biases and the positions he takes in arguments)
Ibraheim718 - Puerto Rican (just plain unstable and has gotten at least a half dozen active posters banned by himself. not sure why the mods protect him but he's started every argument he's involved in)
Paco - Puerto Rican (probably the most moderate of the group)
AllanHoustonFan - Black (not 100% sure but based on his posting patterns/biases, I'm guessing he's black)
Pharmcat - Unsure, may be Black or Puerto Rican
moocow007 - Unsure, but posts like a left wing liberal, may not actually be a minority
Red Vines - Likely not a minority, also may be a left wing liberal

[dpgcdr]

I was surprised that Tim Tebow, even with all that he did to revive the Broncos, was traded in the off-season so it wouldn't surprise me if Lin also ends up on another team.