Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Edition)

[MoMM]

I'm tired of people bashing Dwight for not coming back and "supporting the team." His doctors told him to stay, when you have back surgery you shouldn't be flying. He has to stay in LA and rehab.

OK, WE WILL GO WITH THAT.

No more with the ALL CAPS, please.

He needs, man. It's not his fault.

[thelead]

Almost a week later and still no changes I see...

[MoMM]

8. Magic trade rights to Fran Vasquez to Minnesota for their #18 on draft night

Maybe we could trade Jrich + Fran for #18, #58 and Darko.

[thelead]

8. Magic trade rights to Fran Vasquez to Minnesota for their #18 on draft night

Maybe we could trade Jrich + Fran for #18, #58 and Darko.

We NEED to do something like this. JRich has to come off our books.

[spinedoc]

No more with the ALL CAPS, please.

I think he said he has Macular degeneration or something, and can't see very well E.

[darthmerrick]

I'm very surprised by the people that want Dwight gone over Stan. You really want to wait ten years for another superstar to come around? Yes he's a pre-madonna, but what star in the NBA isn't? Kevin Durant? Tim Duncan? That's two guys in the league that are "above" the I'm a superstar crap. Yeah, we're the ORlando Magic we draft superstars every other year so yes lets trade Dwight to the Nets watch him win multiple championships and become a HOF. Lets keep Van Gundy and watch him scream and yell and call out the team and organization unprofessionally for the next ten years why we struggle to make the playoffs and he keeps other talented free agents from wanting to come here because they don't want to play for him. Let's hope and pray we get another Dwight in the lottery and that management can build the right pieces around him. Then when we finally have a team in place around this imaginary new superstar, once he's fully mature and can compete for a championship, we can keep him here in Orlando because we have Stan Van Gundy and a first class organization that knows how to overpay the players around him.

Look what happened to Knicks. They just now got back to the playoffs. So smack yourself MAGIC fans. You needed that!

DWIGHT HOWARD-Best big man in the NBA. Our key to staying in the championship hunt, especially when he hasn't yet entered his NBA CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING prime yet is through him. Maturity issues, yes. But look at the alternative. Andrew Bynum...maturity issues. Brook Lopez Charmin soft. Tyson Chandler, old and over payed. He's it!

I'd rather fire Stan, get rid of OTIS and rebuild a team and system around Dwight that keeps us in the hunt. Why? Because I'm too tired to wait through another ten years before we sniff another championship. Let's coddle Dwight, let's stroke his ego, let's give him whatever he wants. If he wants JSMOOVE and Monta. Go get them. At any cost. He wants Brian Shaw...make it happen. Why? Because Dwight can take this team to a championship by his damn self. THIS IS OUR TIME! Don't let our Ships disappear again because we are disappointed in a guys behavior. It's the NBA, where stuck up babies happen.

Eff Van Gundy's stubborn ass and you a-holes that want him back. I hope he goes to NY and is exposed for the dumb ass he really is and I hope you Stannites follow him up there.
EFF Otis and his mumbling and spending. Have fun in Golden State watching us in our championship parade. How's that car looking now?
Eff ESPN and their Lebron Heat **** sucking and agenda to see Dwight out of Orlando.
EFF Prohkorov and his Russian tampering ass.
Eff the Nets and Brookyln, I hope Deron leaves.
Eff Stern for coming out on Mike & MIke and encouraging Dwight's departure.

I'm team DWIGHT! I choose championships over lottery. THIS IS OUR effing time!

[G-Heel]

6 & 12 would be big mistakes.

The D'Antoni three point heavy offense matches our personnel and gives us an added bonus in the Nash sweepstakes IMO. Matching Anderson at his market value (which I think will be around $9M) allows us to keep an asset that can either perform for us on the court or be used in a trade. Also, keeping Anderson at $9M doesn't hurt our cap room as to get considerably under the cap we still need to trade JRich and Baby for expirings and cut Hedo and Duhon. I think these points heavily inform the Magic to doing each.

So what if it matches our personnel? What good would that do, second round exit? These players and style of play is what got us in this position in the first place. Why are we keeping a system that haven't worked for 7 years? We need changes, no more of this 4 shooters, 1 defender crap. Even with Mike D, the chances of getting Nash isn't very high. And even if we have Stevie, he's not going to take us over the top.

Cut Hedo and Duhon? They'll still be in the cap, so I don't see the point. Unless Ryan turns out to be Dirk-lite, signing him for 9/yr will be a huge mistake. He'll be untradeable as soon as he signed the contract. Ryan impact on the floor isn't enough to justify keeping him for that price. Might as well sign Novak for 3/yr who's a better shooter and just as bad on defense. We should only throw this kind of money at guys that can play on both sides of the court.

We need to keep our capspace for 2013, stop spending money on these soft players that will fold once playoffs begin. We're trying to win championships here, not win 50 games and lose in the second round.

[minimoe]

I'm tired of people bashing Dwight for not coming back and "supporting the team." His doctors told him to stay, when you have back surgery you shouldn't be flying. He has to stay in LA and rehab.

OK, WE WILL GO WITH THAT.

No more with the ALL CAPS, please.

I HAVE EXPLAINED SEVERAL TIMES ON HERE I HAVE A VISION DISORDER AND IT HELPS ME SEE WHAT I AM TYPING TO USE THE CAPS. I HAVE ALSO APOLOGIZED FOR THE NEED TO DO IT. I WISH SOME OF YOU WOULD STOP OBSESSING OVER IT, PLEASE.

[Driguez]

[quote="D12VCMagic"]I'm tired of people bashing Dwight for not coming back and "supporting the team." His doctors told him to stay, when you have back surgery you shouldn't be flying. He has to stay in LA and rehab.

OK, WE WILL GO WITH THAT.

No more with the ALL CAPS, please.

I HAVE EXPLAINED SEVERAL TIMES ON HERE I HAVE A VISION DISORDER AND IT HELPS ME SEE WHAT I AM TYPING TO USE THE CAPS. I HAVE ALSO APOLOGIZED FOR THE NEED TO DO IT. I WISH SOME OF YOU WOULD STOP OBSESSING OVER IT, PLEASE.[/quote]

I recall reading this, maybe you should make it your signature for those who care about caps and what not.

[p0peye]

I HAVE EXPLAINED SEVERAL TIMES ON HERE I HAVE A VISION DISORDER AND IT HELPS ME SEE WHAT I AM TYPING TO USE THE CAPS. I HAVE ALSO APOLOGIZED FOR THE NEED TO DO IT. I WISH SOME OF YOU WOULD STOP OBSESSING OVER IT, PLEASE.

Im not familiar with the disorder, can you please explain why is it necessary for you to type in caps, while having no problems reading lowercase posts from other posters?

[T25]

I'm very surprised by the people that want Dwight gone over Stan. You really want to wait ten years for another superstar to come around? Yes he's a pre-madonna, but what star in the NBA isn't? Kevin Durant? Tim Duncan? That's two guys in the league that are "above" the I'm a superstar crap. Yeah, we're the ORlando Magic we draft superstars every other year so yes lets trade Dwight to the Nets watch him win multiple championships and become a HOF. Lets keep Van Gundy and watch him scream and yell and call out the team and organization unprofessionally for the next ten years why we struggle to make the playoffs and he keeps other talented free agents from wanting to come here because they don't want to play for him. Let's hope and pray we get another Dwight in the lottery and that management can build the right pieces around him. Then when we finally have a team in place around this imaginary new superstar, once he's fully mature and can compete for a championship, we can keep him here in Orlando because we have Stan Van Gundy and a first class organization that knows how to overpay the players around him.

Look what happened to Knicks. They just now got back to the playoffs. So smack yourself MAGIC fans. You needed that!

DWIGHT HOWARD-Best big man in the NBA. Our key to staying in the championship hunt, especially when he hasn't yet entered his NBA CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING prime yet is through him. Maturity issues, yes. But look at the alternative. Andrew Bynum...maturity issues. Brook Lopez Charmin soft. Tyson Chandler, old and over payed. He's it!

I'd rather fire Stan, get rid of OTIS and rebuild a team and system around Dwight that keeps us in the hunt. Why? Because I'm too tired to wait through another ten years before we sniff another championship. Let's coddle Dwight, let's stroke his ego, let's give him whatever he wants. If he wants JSMOOVE and Monta. Go get them. At any cost. He wants Brian Shaw...make it happen. Why? Because Dwight can take this team to a championship by his damn self. THIS IS OUR TIME! Don't let our Ships disappear again because we are disappointed in a guys behavior. It's the NBA, where stuck up babies happen.

Eff Van Gundy's stubborn ass and you a-holes that want him back. I hope he goes to NY and is exposed for the dumb ass he really is and I hope you Stannites follow him up there.
EFF Otis and his mumbling and spending. Have fun in Golden State watching us in our championship parade. How's that car looking now?
Eff ESPN and their Lebron Heat **** sucking and agenda to see Dwight out of Orlando.
EFF Prohkorov and his Russian tampering ass.
Eff the Nets and Brookyln, I hope Deron leaves.
Eff Stern for coming out on Mike & MIke and encouraging Dwight's departure.

I'm team DWIGHT! I choose championships over lottery. THIS IS OUR effing time!

This...To SVG supporters, do u think SVG would have an almost .700 winning % without Dwight? What was he like 2-8 without him. Give me a break. SVG has a good basketball mind but gets out coached on making playoff adjustments since we got massacred by Boston a few years ago. I'm sure if he had better personnel things might be different but the NBA as a whole are nothing but primadonna cry babies. The era a old school, tough nose coaches are not wanted anymore. Its about a coaches resume and how many championships he's won. Dwight doesn't like SVG and asked for a trade over the summer once Magic FO extended SVG & Otis. Do u blame him for that? 99% of u don't have any confidence in Otis well Dwight doesn't in Stan but u all say he's a hypocryt. Everyone knows our roster is a joke and our FO has been a joke since the franchise opened. We as fans should stand up to this BS because to me It's obvious it's the FO. Well I don't pay to watch them nor do I watch on tv to watch SVG I want to watch the team. Blow this shyt up keep the guys who play hard and have heart. Jameer, JJ, BBD & Dwight and fill the rest of the roster with players like them...

[OrlandO]

I HAVE EXPLAINED SEVERAL TIMES ON HERE I HAVE A VISION DISORDER AND IT HELPS ME SEE WHAT I AM TYPING TO USE THE CAPS. I HAVE ALSO APOLOGIZED FOR THE NEED TO DO IT. I WISH SOME OF YOU WOULD STOP OBSESSING OVER IT, PLEASE.

You should just increase the overall text size on your computer and/or browser or decrease your display resolution, so you could read everything with more comfort (not just your own stuff).

[OrlChamps2030]

at everyone talking about rebuilding around Dwight

Clearly the guy's head is not in it. He is not even under contract past next year.

If you don't think the allure of playing in Brooklyn is still in Dwight's head, you are just in plain denial.

I have come to accept the fact that Dwight will most likely be leaving us. The relationship is irreparable.

I would love for him to stay. But if he doesn't sign the extension this summer, see ya buddy. Can't risk the future of my franchise upon the shoulders of an indecisive guy who is not willing to say what he is actually thinking.

[arsenal6106]

@T25
SVG with the Magic = 66% Winning Percentage

SVG with the Heat = 60% Winning Percentage

[Def Swami]

:lol: at everyone talking about rebuilding around Dwight

Clearly the guy's head is not in it. He is not even under contract past next year.

If you don't think the allure of playing in Brooklyn is still in Dwight's head, you are just in plain denial.

I have come to accept the fact that Dwight will most likely be leaving us. The relationship is irreparable.

I would love for him to stay. But if he doesn't sign the extension this summer, see ya buddy. Can't risk the future of my franchise upon the shoulders of an indecisive guy who is not willing to say what he is actually thinking.

I don't think he's staying either, based on the comments of Alex and the ultimatum he gave him. However, I don't think there is much difference between letting Dwight walk and acquiring Brook Lopez and Marshon Brooks, with no draft pick. There is no future in that.

It's extremely hard to find horses that can carry you deep in the playoffs, and it may be a long time before we do again. I think that could possibly be more detrimental to the future of our franchise than anything. I think the statement "do what's best for the future of the franchise" is a cop out statement. If they really wanted to do what was best, they'd do whatever it takes to give them the best chance of winning a championship, and that involves keeping Dwight. Trade Dwight to the Nets and we'll see empty seats for a long time and won't sniff the playoffs for years. I know some teams are able to come back from the rebuild, but it takes the right personnel to do so. For ever team that emerges from the rebuild (Chicago, Miami, OKC, or Pacers) there are several more teams forever stuck in the abyss (Milwaukee, Golden State, Sacramento, Washington, Toronto...). That's a dark place to be unless you have a good foundation for the future, and Lopez and Brooks are not that. I think while we have a guy like Dwight, for as long as that's the case, we should try build around him. But I have little faith in management or ownership to make any relevant changes.

[tiderulz]

This...To SVG supporters, do u think SVG would have an almost .700 winning % without Dwight? What was he like 2-8 without him.

im not a SVG apologist, but big surprise that a team the GM built to be designed around a superstar on offense and defense had a losing record without that star. Remind me how Cleveland did without Lebron?

Otis gave SVG jump shooters and no defenders, and had to rely on Dwight for double teams to get Magic players open and Dwight to help defend entire opposing teams. I'm more surprised that he won 2 games.

[tiderulz]

I HAVE EXPLAINED SEVERAL TIMES ON HERE I HAVE A VISION DISORDER AND IT HELPS ME SEE WHAT I AM TYPING TO USE THE CAPS. I HAVE ALSO APOLOGIZED FOR THE NEED TO DO IT. I WISH SOME OF YOU WOULD STOP OBSESSING OVER IT, PLEASE.

You should just increase the overall text size on your computer and/or browser or decrease your display resolution, so you could read everything with more comfort (not just your own stuff).

what is the big deal if he wants to use caps. it doesnt hurt anyone.

[OrlandO]

I HAVE EXPLAINED SEVERAL TIMES ON HERE I HAVE A VISION DISORDER AND IT HELPS ME SEE WHAT I AM TYPING TO USE THE CAPS. I HAVE ALSO APOLOGIZED FOR THE NEED TO DO IT. I WISH SOME OF YOU WOULD STOP OBSESSING OVER IT, PLEASE.

You should just increase the overall text size on your computer and/or browser or decrease your display resolution, so you could read everything with more comfort (not just your own stuff).

what is the big deal if he wants to use caps. it doesnt hurt anyone.

Learn to read. I'm not complaining about the caps, I'm trying to help him out by giving a recommendation that will make it easier to read ALL posts and content on his computer.

[Truth24]

I would really like to go after Anthony Randolph if we lose Ryan in free agency. Randolph has shown the flashes when given the chance and he would bring a lot to our team. I think he could be a perfect fit next to Dwight and can give us another shot blocker. On top of that he can slash, rebound, and has a nice mid-range game. I don't think it would take much to get Ranolph seeing how many 4-5 that the Timberwolves have.

[magic04life]

Kind of a random question, but if the Nets are able to get a top three pick in the Draft Lottery, does that pick still go to Portland? Is their first-round pick protected this summer?

The reason I ask is because I was wondering if they could include that pick in a trade for Dwight (if we trade Dwight there).