Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC

[cleek+wall]

mcgeeis still crap. No offensive plays goes through him. He is still so inconsistent. At best , He is a poor mans marcus camby .. Faried is your next gerald wallace but nothing special.

[DCZards]

I like the McGee/Faried combo. Those two should really feed off of each other.

Mark my words, Faried is going to be a MONSTER next season. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he averaged 22/12. The guy is a perennial all star in the making. He barely knows what he's doing out there and already has stretches of dominance purely due to "force of will".

Bravo to McGee, he gained a TON of respect around the league with this series. Best thing that could have happened to him and Washington, they both lose some of the "knucklehead" vibe. Very definition of addition by subtraction.

Faried could very well avg. 12 boards a game. But I'd be surprised, make that shocked, if he averages 22 pts.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

McGee is going to have to do something because once you hit the playoffs, its even more of a mans game in the post. Hard fouls happen. Mommas boy is going to have to grow a set if he wants to be a start in the playoffs.

Yeah, Shaq and Charles were busting on Bynum for not bringing enough hustle while complimenting McGee on his.

I still don't see how Denver can afford much more then 7M for him.

I'm not sold that McGee will stay in Denver for less. Specially since he isn't starting. That would mean Denver has to start him. Will they do that ?

Because of all that is not worked out about where and what McGee will be, it makes the Wiz trade that much better. Actually, that had a lot to do with why they did it. 13M for Nene is not overpaying. Not sure why so many have been saying it is. Nene is worth more in Washington then he was in Denver because he is a bigger part of the offense. He has the green light here. He is a leader here.

On the flip side. Ty Lawson is a total steal. Dude makes 2,544,528 next year. But then he is up as a RFA. Denver has some figuring out to do.

In one of my hating-on-John Wall moments, I proposed a Wall for Lawson trade idea. Lawson won at UNC and his style is the type that puts a lot of pressure on slow PGs.

One thing, however, is I don't think Wall would have let Steve Blake get off on all those threes. Wall's offense is NOT as good as Lawson's. His defense is much better, though, when John is dialed in. Plus, John is a couple years younger.

Lawson is a very good player. I don't know that I'd propose the same trade again, since Wall is showing signs of turning into a very good to great player, eventually.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I like the McGee/Faried combo. Those two should really feed off of each other.

Mark my words, Faried is going to be a MONSTER next season. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he averaged 22/12. The guy is a perennial all star in the making. He barely knows what he's doing out there and already has stretches of dominance purely due to "force of will".

Bravo to McGee, he gained a TON of respect around the league with this series. Best thing that could have happened to him and Washington, they both lose some of the "knucklehead" vibe. Very definition of addition by subtraction.

It will take Faried about til year 3 or 4 to average over 18, but yeah, Indu; once the guy gets a face up jumper Faried WILL average over 20 ppg.

Kenneth Faried is the very player I thought he would be before he was drafted. Every now and then I get one totally right. Eventually, just like Millsap, Kenneth Faried will play some SF. He's going to be better than Millsap, though.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Javale just needed to get away from the Wizards.

I am glad the trade has worked for the best for him, and now Nick Young.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

mcgeeis still crap. No offensive plays goes through him. He is still so inconsistent. At best , He is a poor mans marcus camby .. Faried is your next gerald wallace but nothing special.

Gerald Wallace was coming off the Sacramento King's bench as a rookie. He didn't play much at all. His first three years with the Kings he barely played. In his fourth, with the Charlotte Bobcats, he started but wasn't half the player Faried is now as a rookie. Faried held his own against all star seven-footer Pau Gasol over a 7 game series. Game 7 Pau had to really dig deep to outplay Faried.

cleek+wall, "McGee is crap," tells me you probably are emotionally biased against him or you just haven't watched this series. Bynum blocked 10 shots and had a triple double in the first game of the series. After LAL won the second game, he got really confident. The only way the Nuggets could win the series at that point was to win four of the next five games. If you watched very closely, the Nuggets led 73-69 in the fourth quarter of game 7. They almost did win four of the next five. How? Javale helped a lot.

Bynum shot 4-15 the last game. He shot 4-11 the game before. He won the battle of the boards and showed who the dominant player is, but McGee beat him up court a bunch, blocked his shots a bunch, got inside position only to be overpowered by Bynum. To me, all McGee has to do is get stronger and he can compete fairly evenly against Bynum. Bynum said himself that McGee's hook is pretty unstoppable.

I was happy to see McGee do what he did. Far from crap. Shaq wouldn't be wasting his time with McGee, and Barkley wouldn't have praised Javale's effort if they saw it like you do, cleek+wall

[DCZards]

Javale just needed to get away from the Wizards.

I am glad the trade has worked for the best for him, and now Nick Young.

Yup, Javale needed to get away from the wizards and the wizards needed to get rid of Javale. Sounds like a win-win to me.

[Ruzious]

I like the McGee/Faried combo. Those two should really feed off of each other.

Mark my words, Faried is going to be a MONSTER next season. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he averaged 22/12. The guy is a perennial all star in the making. He barely knows what he's doing out there and already has stretches of dominance purely due to "force of will".

Bravo to McGee, he gained a TON of respect around the league with this series. Best thing that could have happened to him and Washington, they both lose some of the "knucklehead" vibe. Very definition of addition by subtraction.

If you could play fast break basketball a large percentage of the time, they'd be great. But I think they'll be brutal for Denver fans to watch for the rest of the time. They're not good half court players, and ya gotsta be able to play halfcourt ball in crunch time and playoff time. Now, having 1 on the court at a time sounds good, but it's pretty hard to hide similar weaknesses in 2 players at the same time.

[theboomking]

Is there a stats site where we can find the defensive on off stats for JaVale for the playoffs? Basketballreference is a no go.

I'm still not sure of the source for the enthusiasm for what McGee has proven since leaving. Playoff stats were worse than his regular season stats in a lot of ways.

Denver regular season
20.6 minutes 10.3 pts .612 FG% 5.8reb 1.6blk
Playoff stats
25.9min 8.6ppg .434FG% 9.6reb 3.1blk
For someone that is a much better offensive player than defensive player, that is pretty poor.
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... vale-mcgee

CCJ, you are a walking contradiction. You are a huge proponent of evaluating college prospects based on production metrics, but ignore all of the advanced metrics that say that McGee's team is ususally worse with him on the court. I guess we are all just fans sometimes, and you seem to be a fan of McGee, as I am of Wall. I can understand that.

[SJSF]

Hey Guys,
I am a Sixers fan and i have always been intrigued with Nick Young as a scorer or a starting SG. Whats your opinion of him. Everytime i have seen him play the Sixers he usually would light them up.

[Illuminaire]

Nick is a streaky, moderately efficient scorer who provides decent man defense and crap everything else. He doesn't rebound, pass, or really understand team defense. He tends to have trouble picking up complex offensive plays as well, at least under Flip Saunders.

He's a roleplayer who's role is scoring. On a cheap contract he can help a team a fair amount as a 7th man. His overall game isn't good enough to be a starter, however, and scoring tends to be overvalued so getting him on the right contract may be difficult.

[theboomking]

Nick is a streaky, moderately efficient scorer who provides decent man defense and crap everything else. He doesn't rebound, pass, or really understand team defense. He tends to have trouble picking up complex offensive plays as well, at least under Flip Saunders.

He's a roleplayer who's role is scoring. On a cheap contract he can help a team a fair amount as a 7th man. His overall game isn't good enough to be a starter, however, and scoring tends to be overvalued so getting him on the right contract may be difficult.

Succinct and accurate. I would add however, that NY has 10 times more interview quotes about his hair and his "style", than about anything basketball related, and that he hangs out a lot with JaVale McGee and is still close friends with Gilbert Arenas.

Given my druthers, I would have the Wizards steer clear of any player that regularly associates with Blatche, McGee, NY, or Arenas. Maybe Young could be a finishing touch on a great team. He will never be a primary component on a good team.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Is there a stats site where we can find the defensive on off stats for JaVale for the playoffs? Basketballreference is a no go.

I'm still not sure of the source for the enthusiasm for what McGee has proven since leaving. Playoff stats were worse than his regular season stats in a lot of ways.

Denver regular season
20.6 minutes 10.3 pts .612 FG% 5.8reb 1.6blk
Playoff stats
25.9min 8.6ppg .434FG% 9.6reb 3.1blk
For someone that is a much better offensive player than defensive player, that is pretty poor.
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... vale-mcgee

CCJ, you are a walking contradiction. You are a huge proponent of evaluating college prospects based on production metrics, but ignore all of the advanced metrics that say that McGee's team is ususally worse with him on the court. I guess we are all just fans sometimes, and you seem to be a fan of McGee, as I am of Wall. I can understand that.

theboomking, since you went personal, I will say you are a hater and you probably are not smart enough or rational enough (I don't know which it is) to fully understand the depth of what I say.

Read what someone else at Wages of Win just said about the series, if you care to, about McGee and Faried.

http://wagesofwins.com/2012/05/13/at-le ... ke-a-punk/

Notice the Lakers played both Gasol and Bynum over 250 minutes, whereas neither Faried or McGee hit 200 minutes. The difference of 60+ minutes between the two teams’ sets of bigs could easily have changed this series from a seven game nail biter to a six game victory for the Nuggets.

That article lays out who helped the Nuggets and who did not in the playoffs, theboomking.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... eja01.html
This playoffs, above says Javale's PER was 20.5, ORtg 110, DRtg 98, WS/48 .158 when .100 is average.

http://www.nerdnumbers.com/splits?team= ... F13%2F2012
For his entire run with the Nuggets, Javale was effective (Gallinari and Harrington, two George Karl favorites were not).

If you want to think of me as a contradiction, go back to what I said March 15th (after the hate vent). I said Denver would make the playoffs. I said McGee and Faried together would be scary effective.

If you want to call me a contradiction, go back to what I said in 2010--that the Wizards should draft Faried.

Or, you can pick and choose McGee's FG% or some spurious comment to vent your hate, theboomking. As far as I'm concerned, you probably are just mad to see McGee doing well and don't like my posts.

That is fine with me.

[verbal8]

Hey Guys,
I am a Sixers fan and i have always been intrigued with Nick Young as a scorer or a starting SG. Whats your opinion of him. Everytime i have seen him play the Sixers he usually would light them up.

I think at the MLE, Nick Young could provide the Sixers with another option in the backcourt. I think the combination of length and shooting range could be helpful, Iggy and Lou Williams did a lot better than their career averages from 3 point this year. Turner does not seem to be a 3 point threat.

[Dat2U]

Is there a stats site where we can find the defensive on off stats for JaVale for the playoffs? Basketballreference is a no go.

I'm still not sure of the source for the enthusiasm for what McGee has proven since leaving. Playoff stats were worse than his regular season stats in a lot of ways.

Denver regular season
20.6 minutes 10.3 pts .612 FG% 5.8reb 1.6blk
Playoff stats
25.9min 8.6ppg .434FG% 9.6reb 3.1blk
For someone that is a much better offensive player than defensive player, that is pretty poor.
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... vale-mcgee

CCJ, you are a walking contradiction. You are a huge proponent of evaluating college prospects based on production metrics, but ignore all of the advanced metrics that say that McGee's team is ususally worse with him on the court. I guess we are all just fans sometimes, and you seem to be a fan of McGee, as I am of Wall. I can understand that.

Well didn't the advanced metrics say the team was him better with McGee ON the court last year? Oh I guess that was a fluke.

I thought McGee showed strides defensively. At times he was just overwhelmed by the size of Bynum and Bynum got some easy buckets by bulling his way to the hole but many of the anti-McGee related posts won't even acknowledge Bynum is right now the best center in the league and a tough cover for any team.

McGee's rotations where a lot better. He caused havoc as a weak side shot blocker. Having an elite shot blocker is not all bad because it can force players to alter shots or to hesitate at attacking the rim. He also was active with a purpose. Making a concerted effort to challenge shots, go for rebounds and getting out and running the court. He was blocking out consistently, something he never did here. No one is suggesting their still isn't a country mile of improvement that still can take place (like setting a good pick once in his life) but I think Denver is a lot more optimistic about the future with McGee and Faried going forward.

[fugop]

theboomking, since you went personal, I will say you are a hater and you probably are not smart enough or rational enough (I don't know which it is) to fully understand the depth of what I say.

You are being an ass.

[Dat2U]

Hey Guys,
I am a Sixers fan and i have always been intrigued with Nick Young as a scorer or a starting SG. Whats your opinion of him. Everytime i have seen him play the Sixers he usually would light them up.

I think at the MLE, Nick Young could provide the Sixers with another option in the backcourt. I think the combination of length and shooting range could be helpful, Iggy and Lou Williams did a lot better than their career averages from 3 point this year. Turner does not seem to be a 3 point threat.

I have no idea why Collins hasn't put the ball in Turner's hands and run the offense through him on a permanent basis. I think Turner can still be very good, but only on the ball. His mid-range game is money and he can get to his spots effectively and is a deft passer. He's really like a point forward. He might be a little turnover prone, but I'd just bench/trade Holiday and run Turner with Lou Williams and Iggy. The offense would be a lot better.

[hands11]

I like the McGee/Faried combo. Those two should really feed off of each other.

Mark my words, Faried is going to be a MONSTER next season. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he averaged 22/12. The guy is a perennial all star in the making. He barely knows what he's doing out there and already has stretches of dominance purely due to "force of will".

Bravo to McGee, he gained a TON of respect around the league with this series. Best thing that could have happened to him and Washington, they both lose some of the "knucklehead" vibe. Very definition of addition by subtraction.

It will take Faried about til year 3 or 4 to average over 18, but yeah, Indu; once the guy gets a face up jumper Faried WILL average over 20 ppg.

Kenneth Faried is the very player I thought he would be before he was drafted. Every now and then I get one totally right. Eventually, just like Millsap, Kenneth Faried will play some SF. He's going to be better than Millsap, though.

He could end up like a Ron Artest type without the crazy eyes.

[hands11]

Javale just needed to get away from the Wizards.

I am glad the trade has worked for the best for him, and now Nick Young.

Yup, Javale needed to get away from the wizards and the wizards needed to get rid of Javale. Sounds like a win-win to me.

Yeah, I thought it was a win win very early on.

There are still lots of questions regarding McGee though. Where will be play ? For how much ? As he gains weight he will burn more 02. He already sucks wind as it is. How will that effect him ? What will he be like as a starter on a good team ? Will he sign with one ? Will he be the starter ? We still only saw him as a back up.

We will see soon enough what happens with McGee. EG did well to get value for him before it was to late. He held out as long as he could.

For now we get to see what Nick can bring since LAC is still in it. Nick had a decent game 7 off the bench. Good experience for him.

LAC vs SA. Should be interesting. Lot of good match ups. Paul vs Parker.
LAL vs OKC Nice.

And now that Bosh is out, I think LeDouche is going to put up some monster games. He seems like he grow up some after getting bumped last year. He looks like he is bringing it.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

theboomking, since you went personal, I will say you are a hater and you probably are not smart enough or rational enough (I don't know which it is) to fully understand the depth of what I say.

You are being an ass.

When someone calls fugop a walking contradiction, I would love to see the diplomatic, balanced response fugop gives.

I am being an ass? Okay. Read the rest of that post and see if I minced any words or spoke any lies. I didn't contradict myself and I truly do wonder why theboomking went personal. You, too, fugop, can pick a number behind theboomking since you think my response was me being an ass.

In this forum, if you don't hate on McGee or Young, and you don't say Flip is a good coach, it seems to me that invites criticism. McGee just had a good playoffs and STILL there are haters. Okay.