Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC

[tontoz]

"Well didn't the advanced metrics say the team was him better with McGee ON the court last year? Oh I guess that was a fluke.

Last year Yi and Neck were on the team and Seraphin was clueless. Not surprising that the team was better with McGee.

[fugop]

theboomking, since you went personal, I will say you are a hater and you probably are not smart enough or rational enough (I don't know which it is) to fully understand the depth of what I say.

You are being an ass.

When someone calls fugop a walking contradiction, I would love to see the diplomatic, balanced response fugop gives.

I am being an ass? Okay. Read the rest of that post and see if I minced any words or spoke any lies. I didn't contradict myself and I truly do wonder why theboomking went personal. You, too, fugop, can pick a number behind theboomking since you think my response was me being an ass.

In this forum, if you don't hate on McGee or Young, and you don't say Flip is a good coach, it seems to me that invites criticism. McGee just had a good playoffs and STILL there are haters. Okay.

Being called a "walking contradiction" doesn't constitute going personal. And regardless, theboomking is basically right with his criticism: you like to evaluate college players based on their production, yet you're more flexible in your evaluation of Javale. You know what: that's fine, and frankly everybody on the board does it to some degree. When a guy is on your team, he transforms from a statistical entity to a person -- we all get tied up in rooting for the human to succeed, regardless of the numbers.

Did you watch or read Moneyball? It's hard, if not impossible, to treat the players on your team as statistics; the same is true for fans, perhaps to a lesser degree.

I like Javale, and want him to succeed. Yet I change my opinion on him all the time: I feel relief that we got good value for him after one of his bad games, and regret at seeing him succeed on another team. It's an intrinsic part of fandom. I like Gilbert, and think he got a raw deal. I think Nick Young is a goofball, but basically a good guy. I'd have a beer with any of those guys.

About the only guy on the team that I don't harbor any personal affection for is Wall, and that's because I dislike Calipari so much.

Calling someone a "walking contradiction" doesn't justify calling someone else stupid. I apologize for the back seat modding, and the real mods should feel free to delete or do whatever it is that they do.

[willbcocks]

"Well didn't the advanced metrics say the team was him better with McGee ON the court last year? Oh I guess that was a fluke.

Last year Yi and Neck were on the team and Seraphin was clueless. Not surprising that the team was better with McGee.

I don't care what point you are trying to illustrate: never bring up Yi or Neck again. Winning a debate is not worth recalling those bad memries.

[Ruzious]

Hey Guys,
I am a Sixers fan and i have always been intrigued with Nick Young as a scorer or a starting SG. Whats your opinion of him. Everytime i have seen him play the Sixers he usually would light them up.

I think at the MLE, Nick Young could provide the Sixers with another option in the backcourt. I think the combination of length and shooting range could be helpful, Iggy and Lou Williams did a lot better than their career averages from 3 point this year. Turner does not seem to be a 3 point threat.

I have no idea why Collins hasn't put the ball in Turner's hands and run the offense through him on a permanent basis. I think Turner can still be very good, but only on the ball. His mid-range game is money and he can get to his spots effectively and is a deft passer. He's really like a point forward. He might be a little turnover prone, but I'd just bench/trade Holiday and run Turner with Lou Williams and Iggy. The offense would be a lot better.

I agree that their best chance long-term is featuring Turner with the ball, but the problem is - their other perimeter players - other than Meeks - are not off the ball players. Iggy, Jrue, and Lou need the ball. And Young doesn't provide a perimeter threat. Meanwhile, Brand looks like he's lost another step. In a big game at crunch time, I don't think you can count on any of Iggy, Jrue, or Lou to hit from 3. I know a lot of folks like Lou Williams - he doesn't play for my team.

[verbal8]

I agree that their best chance long-term is featuring Turner with the ball, but the problem is - their other perimeter players - other than Meeks - are not off the ball players. Iggy, Jrue, and Lou need the ball. And Young doesn't provide a perimeter threat. Meanwhile, Brand looks like he's lost another step.

I agree there seems to be some redundancy in their line-up.

In a big game at crunch time, I don't think you can count on any of Iggy, Jrue, or Lou to hit from 3. I know a lot of folks like Lou Williams - he doesn't play for my team.

I think Holiday is a good 3 point shooter(good volume and efficiency over his career).

Historically Iggy and Lou Williams have average 3 point shooters. However this season both have shot the 3 well.

[cleek+wall]

mcgeeis still crap. No offensive plays goes through him. He is still so inconsistent. At best , He is a poor mans marcus camby .. Faried is your next gerald wallace but nothing special.

Gerald Wallace was coming off the Sacramento King's bench as a rookie. He didn't play much at all. His first three years with the Kings he barely played. In his fourth, with the Charlotte Bobcats, he started but wasn't half the player Faried is now as a rookie. Faried held his own against all star seven-footer Pau Gasol over a 7 game series. Game 7 Pau had to really dig deep to outplay Faried.

cleek+wall, "McGee is crap," tells me you probably are emotionally biased against him or you just haven't watched this series. Bynum blocked 10 shots and had a triple double in the first game of the series. After LAL won the second game, he got really confident. The only way the Nuggets could win the series at that point was to win four of the next five games. If you watched very closely, the Nuggets led 73-69 in the fourth quarter of game 7. They almost did win four of the next five. How? Javale helped a lot.


I love how everyone think that javale is a stud now , especially after 2 big games he had put up but as was the case here , he follows that up with a 4 point game...thats mcgree for u and Watching Mcgee with the Nuggets against the Lakers. He just had two dumb goaltends back to back. Guy has not changed

[payitforward]

i can't figure out who said this:
"I love how everyone think that javale is a stud now.... Guy has not changed."

"He's changed" is magical thinking. How much does a kid in his early 20s change from taking a ride on a plane to a different city? McGee put up very similar regular season numbers w/ us and Denver. He had a couple of good games in the playoffs and a couple of bad games too.

It's obvious he has a world of gifts. Obvious too that he hasn't yet figured out how to play the game to get consistent results that reflect his gifts. I wish him well, but next year will be his 5th year in the league. Not that many guys develop much this late in an NBA career. Doesn't mean it can't happen, obviously. But I wouldn't put down a lot of chips in a bet on it, would you?

[payitforward]

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As to Kenneth Faried, I think he is already one of the best players in the game. His TS% is 61%; he rebounds like crazy, he doesn't turn it over much, he's an intense and effective defender -- the guy's a monster. On top of that, he's a very nice kid!

Now you want him to develop a jumper? Holy moly!!

[cleek+wall]

i can't figure out who said this:
"I love how everyone think that javale is a stud now.... Guy has not changed."

"He's changed" is magical thinking. How much does a kid in his early 20s change from taking a ride on a plane to a different city? McGee put up very similar regular season numbers w/ us and Denver. He had a couple of good games in the playoffs and a couple of bad games too.

It's obvious he has a world of gifts. Obvious too that he hasn't yet figured out how to play the game to get consistent results that reflect his gifts. I wish him well, but next year will be his 5th year in the league. Not that many guys develop much this late in an NBA career. Doesn't mean it can't happen, obviously. But I wouldn't put down a lot of chips in a bet on it, would you?

i did lol

[DCZards]

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As to Kenneth Faried, I think he is already one of the best players in the game. His TS% is 61%; he rebounds like crazy, he doesn't turn it over much, he's an intense and effective defender -- the guy's a monster. On top of that, he's a very nice kid!

Now you want him to develop a jumper? Holy moly!!

Faried had an outstanding year and appears to have a bright future, but he'll need a jumper to qualify as "one of the best players in the game."

[Dat2U]

i can't figure out who said this:
"I love how everyone think that javale is a stud now.... Guy has not changed."

"He's changed" is magical thinking. How much does a kid in his early 20s change from taking a ride on a plane to a different city? McGee put up very similar regular season numbers w/ us and Denver. He had a couple of good games in the playoffs and a couple of bad games too.

It's obvious he has a world of gifts. Obvious too that he hasn't yet figured out how to play the game to get consistent results that reflect his gifts. I wish him well, but next year will be his 5th year in the league. Not that many guys develop much this late in an NBA career. Doesn't mean it can't happen, obviously. But I wouldn't put down a lot of chips in a bet on it, would you?

I'm sure no one called Javale a stud and I don't think anyone said he's changed either.

I think the arguments where centered around his overall performance and improvement. I've qualified every McGee post with the belief he still has a ways to go.

And at 24 I didn't realize that McGee was so late in his NBA career that he wasn't capable of developing any further.

[closg00]

Check-out McGees comments in the new tap article. McGee will progress in Denver, he is already praising their organization and coaches.

[miller31time]

It's going to be very interesting seeing how people view McGee after he gets a big contract and continues being an inconsistent talent. On a rookie contract, you really only focus on what he does well and give him a pass for the things he doesn't because, well, he's young and cheap. At 10+mil per year and an integral part of your team's future success or failure, he'll be put under a microscope.

[nate33]

With McGee knocked out of the playoffs and this thread hitting it's 99th page, it's probably a good time to shut it down. If someone feels compelled to start up Part II of this thread, feel free, but I think further discussion can take place in the Tracking Former Wizards thread or the Playoffs thread.