Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12

[fredericklove]

Hahhaa, saw Ozzy redirected your top 10 talent thread back to my thread lol.

1. Anthony Davis (Kevin Garnett)
2. Bradley Beal (James Harden)
3. Harrison Barnes (Paul Pierce)
4. Jeremy Lamb (Brandon Roy)
5. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (Gerald Wallace)
6. Thomas Robinson(Paul Millsap)
7. Jared Sullinger (Zach Randolph)
8. Austin River (Monte Ellis)
9. Andre Drummond (Chris Webber)
10. Perry Jones III (Lamar Odom)

[cdel00]

I just don't get how the players jump around so much in the repeated big boards? They haven't played, or worked out yet the positions seem to jugle a whole lot

[JamesNaismith]

1. Anthony Davis (Kevin Garnett)
2. Bradley Beal (Eric Gordon)
3. Harrison Barnes (Glen Rice/Sean Elliot)
4. Jeremy Lamb (Brandon Roy/Rip Hamilton)
5. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (Gerald Wallace with more leadership)
6. Thomas Robinson (Derrick Williams)
7. Jared Sullinger (Carlos Boozer)
8. Austin River (OJ Mayo with no defence)
9. Andre Drummond (DeAndre/Amare with D)
10. Perry Jones III (Lamar Odom/Anthony Randolph)

[Dr Positivity]

Has anybody seen this David Aldridge page http://www.nba.com/news/features/david_ ... index.html

It ranks the top 10 at each position according to scout sources and has a TON of direct quotes. The SF and PF entries were just posted yesterday btw. Very good read.

[Dr Positivity]

One thing I'll say is that while I might have a huge disagreement with the overall big boards being put out, I can't complain much about the POSITIONAL rankings. From the Aldridge page (Cs not ranked yet)

PG
1. Marshall
2. Lillard
3. Wroten
4. Machado
5. Teague

Looks basically right - personally I have Machado ahead of Wroten but it really comes down to perspective. Wroten clearly has more physical and scoring talent, Machado the more intelligent passer

SG
1. Beal
2. Rivers
3. Lamb
4. Waiters
5. Fournier

I'd go Lamb, Beal, Rivers. But I can get why this is the order

SF
1. MKG
2. Barnes
3. Harkless
4. Crowder
5. Taylor

100% correct IMO

PF
1. Davis
2. Robinson
3. Sullinger
4. Jones III
5. T Jones
6. Henson
7. Moultrie
8. White

No beef with this order. I like Sullinger and Moultrie more than this order but it's a deep cast of PFs and all have their appeal.

I wonder if what it comes down to is a lot of scouts being asked to rank positions, then some of the weird picks in the draft coming down to a team prioritizing drafting one position over another

[tdotrep2]

Honestly at this point I'm just praying for Barnes, I think Barnes paired with DD would be a good fit going forward.

[Undefeated]

If Quincy Miller falls to the second-round, he'll easily be the biggest steal. But I don't see that happening. If Tony Wroten is projected to be a mid-to-late first, then Q. Miller is as well.

[7-Day Dray]

If Quincy Miller falls to the second-round, he'll easily be the biggest steal. But I don't see that happening. If Tony Wroten is projected to be a mid-to-late first, then Q. Miller is as well.

Not likely, but it could happen if his athleticism doesn't impress during workouts, and as others rise. ACL injuy really seemed to affect him last year.

[Rhettmatic]

Chad Ford chatting here:

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/43835

[5DOM]

Honestly at this point I'm just praying for Barnes, I think Barnes paired with DD would be a good fit going forward.

if we sign Nash sure

[tdotrep2]

Honestly at this point I'm just praying for Barnes, I think Barnes paired with DD would be a good fit going forward.

if we sign Nash sure

Regardless of Nash, if it doesn't work out our optioned could be weighed but for this team he would be the best fit in the draft that we might have a shot at getting.

[5DOM]

Honestly at this point I'm just praying for Barnes, I think Barnes paired with DD would be a good fit going forward.

if we sign Nash sure

Regardless of Nash, if it doesn't work out our optioned could be weighed but for this team he would be the best fit in the draft that we might have a shot at getting.

Position-wise, he'd make the most sense, but I don't feel that we are a good fit for him. We have no one who can create for him.

[neurotik]

My top ten prospects

1. Anthony Davis - Defensive Gamechanger
2. MKG - Leader, warrior, does all the little things to win. Gerald Wallace with leadership and higher BB IQ
3. Bradley Beal - Can be an Eric Gordon/Ray Allen type of guard. Great rebounder too.
4. Thomas Robinson - Will be a force in the paint, should easily average a double double
5. Harrison Barnes - lacks a killer instinct but has all the skills to be a lethal player.
6. Jared Sullinger - This years sleeper. People are too caught up on his height and athleticism and forget just how skilled he is. Also how smart he is. Highest BB IQ of anyone in the draft IMO.
7. Andre Drummond - Can't stand this facker but he has a lot of potential.
8. Jeremy Lamb - Will be a good complimentary player. If he was assertive and attacked the rim he has the tools to be Reggie, but he isn't so he won't.
9.Kendal Marshall - Natural floor general, will make a whole team better.
10. John Henson - Once he bulks up he should be a solid player. Think Marcus Camby.

[Wasp]

It seems to me like everyone on this board is overrating Lamb, while almost every writer / draft "expert" (save for NBADraft.net) seems to be pegging him as a late lottery or mid-1st round pick. Seeing people rank him ahead of Beal, or have him top 5 on their big boards, or saying they hope he "falls" to us has me seriously scratching my head.

He seems like a decent prospect, and I have no real opinion on him one way or another, but I'm really surprised at the discrepancy between how our board rates him and how every expert seems to rate him. Am I missing something here?

[Undefeated]

It seems to me like everyone on this board is overrating Lamb, while almost every writer / draft "expert" (save for NBADraft.net) seems to be pegging him as a late lottery or mid-1st round pick. Seeing people rank him ahead of Beal, or have him top 5 on their big boards, or saying they hope he "falls" to us has me seriously scratching my head.

He seems like a decent prospect, and I have no real opinion on him one way or another, but I'm really surprised at the discrepancy between how our board rates him and how every expert seems to rate him. Am I missing something here?

I wouldn't take what the expert say at face value.

[fredericklove]

It seems to me like everyone on this board is overrating Lamb, while almost every writer / draft "expert" (save for NBADraft.net) seems to be pegging him as a late lottery or mid-1st round pick. Seeing people rank him ahead of Beal, or have him top 5 on their big boards, or saying they hope he "falls" to us has me seriously scratching my head.

He seems like a decent prospect, and I have no real opinion on him one way or another, but I'm really surprised at the discrepancy between how our board rates him and how every expert seems to rate him. Am I missing something here?

Overrating is not the term to explain him, its more like understanding his offensive potential. Writers haven't written much about Lamb as late lottery but its the draft experts that pegs him late but their mock draft will change in draft combine/workout and idk where you've been all this time, not alot of people ranks him ahead of Beal (so idk where you get that from?), almost everyone here wanted Beal if we were to draft in top 5.

I can't say every experts are like that, but at least espn writer has recently wrote on why Lamb should be drafted ahead of Beal, however other than that I still dunno where you get this idea that we all rank Lamb ahead of Beal. The reason we all talk about Lamb and rank him top 5 cos we're drafting 8th now so of cos Lamb is the top 5 option for us. Beal will be drafted top 5 come draft day so he won't drop so our chances are with Lamb because he could potentially drop to the 8th. So cmon bro, get your facts right.

[fredericklove]

Regardless of Nash, if it doesn't work out our optioned could be weighed but for this team he would be the best fit in the draft that we might have a shot at getting.

Position-wise, he'd make the most sense, but I don't feel that we are a good fit for him. We have no one who can create for him.

Position-wise makes most sense, but Casey system is definitely a good fit for him, its rather safe to say he works better at a p&r/screens system which he thrives in, and it seems like we're gonna get a PG come July, any of Nash, Dragic or Lin (lol) is going to help him but it all depends on how the team uses him anyways (not just the PG), and even if we don't get any of the 3, Jose is still good enough to run plays for Barnes, considering the amount of ball fed he gave to JJ, Butler or Kleiza this season.

[Wasp]

The reason we all talk about Lamb and rank him top 5 cos we're drafting 8th now so of cos Lamb is the top 5 option for us. Beal will be drafted top 5 come draft day so he won't drop so our chances are with Lamb because he could potentially drop to the 8th. So cmon bro, get your facts right.

Here's one:

Big board + What caliber of player I expect if they pan out (based on ability/significance, not stylistic)

1. Anthony Davis (Alonzo Mourning)
2. Meyers Leonard (Marc Gasol)
3. Jeremy Lamb (Eric Gordon)
4. Arnett Moultrie (David Lee)
5. Jared Sullinger (David West)
6. Perry Jones III (Andrea Bargnani)
7. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (Richard Jefferson)
8. Bradley Beal (Jason Richardson)
9. Andre Drummond (Deandre Jordan)
10. Thomas Robinson (Kris Humphries)

You're right, most people don't rank him ahead of Beal, but in the past few pages people have ranked him ahead of the likes of TRob, MKG, and Drummond which is pretty ridiculous.

Look, I like Lamb and wouldn't be unhappy if we drafted him, but pretending like he's clearly better than the likes of Sullinger, PJ3, Marshall, Lillard, etc. is what I don't understand—and you, with the Lamb signature, are exactly who I'm talking about.

Call me crazy, but I tend to take the word of professional scouts, writers and insiders over anonymous people on RealGM. That's where I get my facts from, bro.

[Marlo Stanfield]

After his performance, I have a feeling Kostas Papanikolaou will be one of our picks in the 2nd round if he drops that far.

[fredericklove]

The reason we all talk about Lamb and rank him top 5 cos we're drafting 8th now so of cos Lamb is the top 5 option for us. Beal will be drafted top 5 come draft day so he won't drop so our chances are with Lamb because he could potentially drop to the 8th. So cmon bro, get your facts right.

Here's one:

Big board + What caliber of player I expect if they pan out (based on ability/significance, not stylistic)

1. Anthony Davis (Alonzo Mourning)
2. Meyers Leonard (Marc Gasol)
3. Jeremy Lamb (Eric Gordon)
4. Arnett Moultrie (David Lee)
5. Jared Sullinger (David West)
6. Perry Jones III (Andrea Bargnani)
7. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (Richard Jefferson)
8. Bradley Beal (Jason Richardson)
9. Andre Drummond (Deandre Jordan)
10. Thomas Robinson (Kris Humphries)

You're right, most people don't rank him ahead of Beal, but in the past few pages people have ranked him ahead of the likes of TRob, MKG, and Drummond which is pretty ridiculous.

Look, I like Lamb and wouldn't be unhappy if we drafted him, but pretending like he's clearly better than the likes of Sullinger, PJ3, Marshall, Lillard, etc. is what I don't understand—and you, with the Lamb signature, are exactly who I'm talking about.

Call me crazy, but I tend to take the word of professional scouts, writers and insiders over anonymous people on RealGM. That's where I get my facts from, bro.

MUFASA'S BOARD ?!??!?!?!

I think you're not a frequent poster here so let me clarify this for you because you don't know much about me, I'm one of the biggest Beal fans in here, I like Beal more than Lamb, Barnes anyone else, so what the hell does putting my Lamb sig here have anything to do with your saying of "that's what EXACTLY you're talking about". Dude, I change my sigs all the time, from Barnes sig, Beals sig, Sully sig to Lamb sig, all back and forth.

Youngin', let me teach you a thing or two about arguments around here, lesson one: you have to know who you're dealing with when you argue with someone, so first me with my lamb sig, it just means I like him, it doesn't mean I rank him above TROB or MKG (cos I rank Barnes and Beal over Lamb and even MKG and Lamb are interchangable on my list and even had talked about TROB in top 5 for the raps too). So how is me with Lamb sig relates to anything you trying to claim? It doesn't mean jack, I just put the sig on, but never once I said he's ranked above all. And I am a fan of Sully too and I want him at 8th, so cmon, get you facts right (again the 2nd time I'm telling you). 2nd and most importantly, you are using Mufasa's board, I know you're not a frequent poster here but news flash, no one takes Mufasa's board serious around here. I hope you know that. So I can't believe you really actually using Mufasa as argument against me, like omg

Didn't I already tell you there's INSIDERS about Lamb over Beal? Are you even listening at all? omg cmon man, read carefully geez.