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Re: Phil Jackson? 

Post#21 » by bwgood77 » Wed May 16, 2012 10:05 pm

RunDogGun wrote:I am bit tired of hiring from within. Besides Porter, we have done this move since the mid nineties. After Cotton stepped in after Westphal, it's been one after the other of assistant replacing head, save Porter.

Although I would be interested in a few of our assistants besides Majerle, I still would like to see us target a real head coach.


Depends on who is available, but Elston Turner is likely going to be one very shortly anyway.
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Post#22 » by Sunsdeuce » Thu May 17, 2012 3:53 am

No thanks to Elton turner. He is soozing terry porter. Plus I don't see much of anything from him other then preaching defense( which is great) but I don't want a one- demonSional coach!
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Post#23 » by lilfishi22 » Thu May 17, 2012 3:58 am

NiGhtWiSh wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:This doesn't make any sense. The argument that Lilfishi is giving you, is because we lack superstars, Phil most likely will be worthless for us. So you push back with MJ? Are talking about the terrible GM MJ or MJ in his prime? Neither would be an option for us, but if you were talking about the player (in his prime), it would negate Lilfishi's constraint of lacking a superstar.

My main issue with Phil, would be a total change in system. I want a coach that will keep many aspects of the run and gun, just adding a buttload of defense and rebounding.

However, I really would like to get rid of Gentry, he is terrible in the head position.


I understand Lil'fishi very well. But, still, I think that a pro franchise have to sign the best options possible. Zen master is NOT ONLY a superstar teams coach. He's a BBALL COACH. The greatest in this game since Auerbach's time. And not taking PJax in consideation is the same bulls...t like Portland's 1st pick in MJ23 draft.


No, you understand me at all since you're still coming back with the same argument that having a superstar coach = elite team.

Just like having a superstar player doesn't necessarily make you an elite team, having a superstar coach won't make us an elite team either. That isn't how basketball works.
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Post#24 » by NiGhtWiSh » Thu May 17, 2012 9:15 am

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NiGhtWiSh wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:This doesn't make any sense. The argument that Lilfishi is giving you, is because we lack superstars, Phil most likely will be worthless for us. So you push back with MJ? Are talking about the terrible GM MJ or MJ in his prime? Neither would be an option for us, but if you were talking about the player (in his prime), it would negate Lilfishi's constraint of lacking a superstar.

My main issue with Phil, would be a total change in system. I want a coach that will keep many aspects of the run and gun, just adding a buttload of defense and rebounding.

However, I really would like to get rid of Gentry, he is terrible in the head position.


I understand Lil'fishi very well. But, still, I think that a pro franchise have to sign the best options possible. Zen master is NOT ONLY a superstar teams coach. He's a BBALL COACH. The greatest in this game since Auerbach's time. And not taking PJax in consideation is the same bulls...t like Portland's 1st pick in MJ23 draft.


No, you understand me at all since you're still coming back with the same argument that having a superstar coach = elite team.

Just like having a superstar player doesn't necessarily make you an elite team, having a superstar coach won't make us an elite team either. That isn't how basketball works.


Phil is not only a superstar coach, he's superb coach, too. With him, Suns will be much better destination for better players. That's all.

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Post#25 » by RandomVillain » Thu May 17, 2012 10:39 pm

I would start crying from sheer happiness if Suns hired Phil Jackson.
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Post#26 » by TASTIC » Sat May 19, 2012 5:49 am

If the Heat lose, off to MIA...where him and Riley would have a creepy Emperor/Darth Vader thing going on...
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Post#27 » by Orange_Blooded » Sat May 19, 2012 7:11 am

Kerrsed wrote:After next year, Thunder Dan will be our coach. Speaking of which, did anybody catch the Diamondbacks game?

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Post#28 » by RunSunRun » Sat May 19, 2012 10:47 pm

Just simply can't say we can plug in any coach and suddenly be more successful. Love Phil Jackson, but he would be insane to join a team that has no idea what we will be next year. At least with the Heat and Knicks, they know who they got and the personality of their teams with probably very little roster changes next year, at least with those teams he can see what he has to work with and if he feels it can be a good fit.

Right now our roster can be anywhere from vastly improved to complete trainwreck depending on what happens with Nash and free agents.
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Post#29 » by lilfishi22 » Mon May 21, 2012 12:33 am

NiGhtWiSh wrote:Phil is not only a superstar coach, he's superb coach, too. With him, Suns will be much better destination for better players. That's all.

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No one is arguing that he isn't a great coach, he is a great coach, but he's not a good fit for the Suns. Also players are more attracted to good team mates and a good system than a good coach.

He's a great coach when he has the right pieces. But he doesn't have the patience for player development and we're still so far from a title, it's not worth our time to invest $10m in him and it's not worth his time to spend 3-4 seasons to bring in the right pieces. We're better off sepdning that 10m on good FA's.
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Post#30 » by bigfoot » Mon May 21, 2012 4:36 am

I'd by far take D'Antoni over Phil. I think Mike can take a group of youngsters and create a winning team. He really got screwed over by the Melo trade. New York gave up too much to get Melo and then amnesty Mr Big Shot. At least the Suns front office is not that inept!!!
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Post#31 » by lilfishi22 » Mon May 21, 2012 6:29 am

bigfoot wrote:I'd by far take D'Antoni over Phil. I think Mike can take a group of youngsters and create a winning team. He really got screwed over by the Melo trade. New York gave up too much to get Melo and then amnesty Mr Big Shot. At least the Suns front office is not that inept!!!


I'd say definitely D'Antoni over Phil only because Nash is (for now) still with the team. Phil with this team would brutalise Nash's game and try and turn Nash into a strictly 3PT shooting DFish.

I do agree wthat D'Antoni got shafted when the Knicks throw everything and the kitchen sink for Melo. They were a pretty well-balanced team and Amare was looking like a leader.
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Post#32 » by tsherkin » Mon May 21, 2012 11:23 am

Phil would be a waste of money. He's a great coach, but he's also a guy you call in when your team isn't hung with an extreme lack of competitive talent. You don't drop millions per year on your coach when you aren't giving him what he prefers to work with and, more importantly, he wouldn't sign.

The Budenholzer idea is a great one, though; great pedigree, clearly will have a strong defensive focus and should help make the transition away from Nash (pardon the pun) easier once he's gone.
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Post#33 » by NiGhtWiSh » Mon May 21, 2012 11:52 am

bigfoot wrote:I'd by far take D'Antoni over Phil. I think Mike can take a group of youngsters and create a winning team. He really got screwed over by the Melo trade. New York gave up too much to get Melo and then amnesty Mr Big Shot. At least the Suns front office is not that inept!!!


OMG... D'Antoni... He's not a coach. He's a... a... a joke? It will be a greatest mistery of the NBA: how the hell this funny man signed in the NBA... D'Antoni... No, no, no, no...
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Post#34 » by tsherkin » Mon May 21, 2012 3:22 pm

I LOL @ D'Antoni, if only because it's clear he is a bad coach who can only work within an EXTREMELY specific paradigm. He's an ass-tastic defensive coach with little offensive creativity. We saw that here in 04 and have seen it since in New York.
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Post#35 » by jcsunsfan » Fri May 25, 2012 9:01 pm

Majerle is not head coach material.

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