OT: Supplement & Nutrition Thread

[W. Unseld]

Sure, we already have a work out thread, but we need something for lazy fat a$$es like me who refuse to do anything but play basketball and pop pills. Here is my initial question:
OxyElitePro v. SuperHD

Anyone ever used either? I went to GNC and Oxyelite pro was recc'd to me and I was told it was getting ready to come off the market so "buy now." I liked it, went back to get more and this time a different GNC employee said "look, you'll crash HARD when you cycle off of that and it may destroy your sense of smell." She recc'd Super HD which I can't even tell I've taken (in stark contrast to Oxyelite). Anyone have experience with either and yes I know there are risks and that I should be training naturally etc.

[closg00]

I have three powder supplements:

Trader Joes Green
Trader Joes Red
Protein powder

Edit: Also have a cabinet full of other supplements ...will post once I get off the iPhone.

[W. Unseld]

A. Please describe the difference between the powders

B. What the heck happened to Nate's post?

[Zonkerbl]

What are you trying to accomplish? Lose weight? Gain bulk? Run a triathlon? Get laid more often?

[nate33]

A. Please describe the difference between the powders

B. What the heck happened to Nate's post?

I deleted it. It sounded too self-serving after I read it.

In summary, I'll just say that I stay lean and fit and avoid muscle soreness by eating a high protein, low carb diet, taking Vitamin D and Krill Oil, and drinking a cheap protein powder shake after lifting weights. I only need to lift once a week to maintain decent muscle mass.

[W. Unseld]

What are you trying to accomplish? Lose weight? Gain bulk? Run a triathlon? Get laid more often?

Basically weight loss but I prefer to be able to know which supplement will give me hyper energy (which has its uses) vs. focused energy (I can take it and still be effective at work). Not really looking to "get laid" more since I'm married and doing okay by married guy standards in that department (married guys, if things are slowing down buy her "50 Shades of Grey" as a late mother's day present--if things are slowing down and you don't have kids yet, re-evaluate your life)--with that said the testosterone supplements do sound interesting for muscle mass etc. but right now I'm focused on appetite suppresent wtih energy and focus. I know all the diet advice, just looking for people who are actually using supplements.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

A. Please describe the difference between the powders

B. What the heck happened to Nate's post?

I deleted it. It sounded too self-serving after I read it.

In summary, I'll just say that I stay lean and fit and avoid muscle soreness by eating a high protein, low carb diet, taking Vitamin D and Krill Oil, and drinking a cheap protein powder shake after lifting weights. I only need to lift once a week to maintain decent muscle mass.

nate, I will second your opinion on the cheap whey protein powder. I was taking CytoGainer by Cytomax or AMP by GNC, but I think the Walmart stuff for $15.00 is good enough and a whole lot cheaper.

--I take Co Q-10 for cardiovascular health.
--I switch up at times and take GNC Mega Men Joint vitamin pack.

When I take protein and supplements/vitamins early in the day, and I also avoid eating sugary/high fat foods I might crave during the day; I feel tons better and have all kinds of energy, all day long. Lately, I've been drinking a lot of green tea, and that is helping with my energy level and my weight loss.

When I'm doing long workouts, hitting the pool for a few laps at the end of the workout keeps my soreness down.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

What are you trying to accomplish? Lose weight? Gain bulk? Run a triathlon? Get laid more often?

I want to lose weight for when I get my sexy on. I don't like having a gut, an expanded waistline, and the dreaded man boobs. Call it vanity or insecurity if you will, but I'm not down with being soft ... anywhere.

My secondary goal is I've been wanting to roll in BJJ. However, at my current weight and fitness level, I am very reluctant to train with the young fellas who keep asking me to join in. I want to be more tone, trim, and flexible to endure relatively intense training, and to give a little and not just take. Most of all I feel like if I lose weight and gain strength and flexibility I can avoid most injuries.

I would love to be involved in training in MMA on into my old age. It is really a way of life.

[Zonkerbl]

I ask because supplements are usually designed for weight lifters. You can get stronger without losing/gaining weight.

For energy, guarana is good. It's just caffeine with some herbs in it to take the edge off. I tried the vitamin B complex stuff that you squirt under your tongue, I suspect it gave me a very energetic toilet. Whey protein is good for energy actually. Sugar is like gasoline -- it burns brightly and then burns out quickly. Protein is more like charcoal -- not as much but a nice consistent burn for a long time. Good for losing weight.

My ADD medication suppresses my appetite. I don't think it's possible to lose weight without taking an appetite suppressant. Your body REALLY wants to stay the same weight and you basically have to cheat.

Been reading this interesting book: "The First 20 Minutes: Surprising Science Reveals How We Can: Exercise Better, Train Smarter, Live Longer." The author relies only on scientific evidence that has tested various conventional thinking about exercise. For example, stretching does not prevent injuries, and the act of stretching reduces your performance by about 30% afterwards. That most flexibility is inherited and stretching will at most improve your flexibility by about 5%. That "active" stretching is the most valuable, where you "stretch" by jumping around. That the best after-workout drink is chocolate milk. Stuff like that. Crazy.

[W. Unseld]

Been reading this interesting book: "The First 20 Minutes: Surprising Science Reveals How We Can: Exercise Better, Train Smarter, Live Longer." The author relies only on scientific evidence that has tested various conventional thinking about exercise. For example, stretching does not prevent injuries, and the act of stretching reduces your performance by about 30% afterwards. That most flexibility is inherited and stretching will at most improve your flexibility by about 5%. That "active" stretching is the most valuable, where you "stretch" by jumping around. That the best after-workout drink is chocolate milk. Stuff like that. Crazy.

Part of me hopes this is correct b/c I stretch about as much as I floss even though I know that both are supposed to be good for me. On the other hand, going all the way back to 8th grade I remember people improving dramatically on the v-sit reach with a stretching program. An extremely scientific analysis I know but I swear it happened.

[W. Unseld]

Also forgot to ask--what is the correct protein formula? I was told 1 gram of protein per pound but that seems high and aren't there risks w/taking in that much protein?

[Zonkerbl]

15 - 21 grams per shake

[Induveca]

1 gram per pound is legit if you're trying to bulk.....bodybuilding. Just normal gym rat, 1/2 per pound is more than enough.

Just include cardio if you're not expending enough calories lifting.

[Zonkerbl]

Been reading this interesting book: "The First 20 Minutes: Surprising Science Reveals How We Can: Exercise Better, Train Smarter, Live Longer." The author relies only on scientific evidence that has tested various conventional thinking about exercise. For example, stretching does not prevent injuries, and the act of stretching reduces your performance by about 30% afterwards. That most flexibility is inherited and stretching will at most improve your flexibility by about 5%. That "active" stretching is the most valuable, where you "stretch" by jumping around. That the best after-workout drink is chocolate milk. Stuff like that. Crazy.

Part of me hopes this is correct b/c I stretch about as much as I floss even though I know that both are supposed to be good for me. On the other hand, going all the way back to 8th grade I remember people improving dramatically on the v-sit reach with a stretching program. An extremely scientific analysis I know but I swear it happened.

Yeah I didn't say that right. I think the study was of college students who were in pretty good shape but just didn't stretch much. If you're already in pretty good shape you'll only get about 5% better. But when you start stretching for the first time in your life, I imagine you can start out pretty far from your genetically determined flexibility limit.