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Post#301 » by Flashpoint » Fri May 18, 2012 6:12 am

BennyGfromFL wrote:Fantastic post, flashpoint.

Thinking about the joy I felt on July 8th and witnessing what we are two years later; seeing the red flags from day 1 without the ability to do anything about it or stop it; watching us have to fail over and over again without the proper changes being made until it all becomes **** beyond any kind of repair -- the whole thing makes me want to cry.

Spo is to blame, as much as a doofus who's trying to "fake it til he makes it" can be blamed. Riley is definitely to blame for not seeing this thing through. I also place part of the blame on the big 3 themselves. I'm pretty sure they've known what they've had in Spo, but never tried to force a change because they still felt they could just "do it themselves" despite his deficiencies, that they didn't have to be psychologically motivated by a coach to play to their highest level, all in the name of avoiding long, tough practices.

Yes, I believe we'll win this series. Yes, I think and hope we can still win the championship. However, we can win 5 titles in a row, and so long as it's in this broken, disjointed offense predicated on the individual talents of the big 3 bailing us out, we'll never come close seeing what could've and should've been.

I totally agree with you. I don't think any of us expected this to be such a grinding, broken experience. The euphoria of everything coming together perfectly that July. To find us now on this precipice of potentially epic disappointment. If we don't win this year things become very ugly. Even doing the right thing and replacing Spo will still mean we've wasted 2 years of their primes. Wade's prime might soon be ending and that window to see something really special will be closed.

I'll be honest, I don't enjoy this team as much as I've enjoyed past Heat teams. I don't even think of this as much of a team. I have faith our heroes can drag us to a chip, but I would love to have seen this become a real team. Few things are as grating to me as poor leadership and management. Spo isn't suited for this. A lot of us saw it. But Riley's human, he has an ego and it's bitten us hard. Or maybe some of the blame can be laid on the players and they were vain enough to not want a coach who pushed them. I'd hate to think they wanted that but maybe they did and they're paying for it now.

As a fanbase, it feels like something has been stolen from us. Last year, we stood by the team through waves of bitter hypocrisy from the rest of the country. We get rewarded with a Finals loss to my most hated team on our homecourt. As great as it was to advance so far, that was a nightmare scenario. And a lot of the reasons for that loss stem from poor coaching and leadership. A lot of us got a sense from watching the team and Spo's inadequate coaching that at some point in the playoffs the HC would have to provide some added resolve (through motivation or scheme) to the players to win and he's just not capable of that. That's why it's a very small fraternity of coaches who have won it all. We survived that sickening loss just to expect this year for the team to have experience and chemistry developed. This is not a better team than last year's. There's been no progress, maybe even regression, and you lay that directly at Spo's feet.

These two years have been a strange ride. It's good to see some fellow fans I can relate to with their eyes open as we go through this. It's a necessary change from the squawking about what a super awesome job Spo is doing that dominated this thread just a week ago.
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Post#302 » by EscapoTHB » Fri May 18, 2012 6:26 am

Ditto on this being a not fun team to root for. Its been a far cry from the hoopla of when they all joined forces. This has been a complete failure and has tainted the legacies of all involved. I feel bad for lebron. He gave up so much and takes so much crap and yet where's the payoff? His job is actually harder now than in cleveland

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Post#303 » by HIF » Fri May 18, 2012 9:49 am

I realise that I'm wasting my time here but it seems Spo tried all of the things that you lot have been complaining about.
He benched UD and played Pittman (but as I told you Pittman is no way near good enough to play more than the 13th man role he has).
He played Turiaf - who did pretty well but cannot match a 7'2" center and is a career bench player.
He played JJ when the 3s weren't dropping - and JJ couldn't hit a barn door with 3 hours to do it.
He rested Lebron at the start of the 4th - Lebron missed FTs in the first so enough with the miss because he's tired - but without Lebron we had absolutely nothing to claw back.
He played cole - he did nothing but a couple of ouls
He talked to Wade about his poor choice of shooting 3 pointers and he lack of 3 point coverage - we saw the result.
He changed plays and personnel - but without Bosh and with Wade playing so terribly we never had a chance.

Again I think you're blaming Spo because it's easy for you.

Chalmers was the only guy who played well today and Bron played Okay.

We lost because Bosh wasn't there hurting us in every area of our game, our 3 pt shooters couldn't hit open shots but mostly because my hero DWade was diabolical!!!! Did he even attack the basket more than twice tonight?

If we go out in this round I'll have no qualms with spo getting axed in the off-season but I'll never think he truly deserved it. The team on the day hasn't been good enough in games 2 and 3.
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Re: Spo Spo Spo 

Post#304 » by Big Dee Chi-Born » Fri May 18, 2012 11:29 am

dolphinatik wrote:so you build this super race car and your goal as a race team is to win the race championship. all we need to do is find a driver. We have proven drivers that know the courses and have handled similar cars but not one as powerful. Then there is this young guy that is the mechanics assistant who has never raced before, has never even driven actually but he has seen how the engine works. Lets give him a shot. Wow look at him go he can blow away the others in a straightaway. But everyone catches him in the corners since he doesnt know when to change gears and how to maneuver the corners. he will learn he will get it. One day he will learn to keep the wheels on the track in the corners like he can in the straightaways.

Unfortunately this doesnt work in racing and doesnt work in basketball either. I dont blame Spo. Anyone would have taken the job given that opportunity. I blame Riley for being stubborn and pigheaded in hiring and staying with him. Even if we win the series or the championship we still need to system and management.

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Post#305 » by radikalBaller » Fri May 18, 2012 11:36 am

HIF wrote:I realise that I'm wasting my time here but it seems Spo tried all of the things that you lot have been complaining about.
He benched UD and played Pittman (but as I told you Pittman is no way near good enough to play more than the 13th man role he has).
He played Turiaf - who did pretty well but cannot match a 7'2" center and is a career bench player.
He played JJ when the 3s weren't dropping - and JJ couldn't hit a barn door with 3 hours to do it.
He rested Lebron at the start of the 4th - Lebron missed FTs in the first so enough with the miss because he's tired - but without Lebron we had absolutely nothing to claw back.
He played cole - he did nothing but a couple of ouls
He talked to Wade about his poor choice of shooting 3 pointers and he lack of 3 point coverage - we saw the result.
He changed plays and personnel - but without Bosh and with Wade playing so terribly we never had a chance.

Again I think you're blaming Spo because it's easy for you.

A little too late...dumbfoak

Chalmers was the only guy who played well today and Bron played Okay.

We lost because Bosh wasn't there hurting us in every area of our game, our 3 pt shooters couldn't hit open shots but mostly because my hero DWade was diabolical!!!! Did he even attack the basket more than twice tonight?

If we go out in this round I'll have no qualms with spo getting axed in the off-season but I'll never think he truly deserved it. The team on the day hasn't been good enough in games 2 and 3.



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Post#306 » by HIF » Fri May 18, 2012 11:46 am

If I'm dumb you my friend are a moron - and quite possibly if I'm not.

And you really shouldn't add your own words inside a quote - it isn't a quote then - but maybe you didn't understand how to use a quote.
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Post#307 » by Ratchet_Rio » Fri May 18, 2012 11:49 am

The head coach doesn't even command the respect of the team captain, how pathetic is that? Spo is gone this offseason, we're just delaying the inevitable at this point. This clown was giftwrapped 3 stars from his rich Daddy and didnt know how to act.
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Post#308 » by HIF » Fri May 18, 2012 12:10 pm

Of course the Head coach has the respect of the team captain.

Your ignorance is shared by many.

If we lose to the Pacers and Spo gets fired, that's how the game goes.

Fact is people like you and many many others had unreal imaginary belieifs about how much better the "big 3" made the Heat compared to every other team. They didn't, even fit and on form the team had glaring holes which haven't been filled yet.

If bosh was playing and Wade was on form, I'd expect the Heat to narrowly beat the best of the West for the title. It wouldn't be a complete surprise if they didn't. Yet with bosh out and Wade far from 100% , you and many others believe that it is only Spoelstra who is stopping the Heat from winning the title let alone beating the insignificant Pacers.

I think you are delusional.
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Post#309 » by Ratchet_Rio » Fri May 18, 2012 12:14 pm

HIF wrote:Of course the Head coach has the respect of the team captain.

Your ignorance is shared by many.

If we lose to the Pacers and Spo gets fired, that's how the game goes.

Fact is people like you and many many others had unreal imaginary belieifs about how much better the "big 3" made the Heat compared to every other team. They didn't, even fit and on form the team had glaring holes which haven't been filled yet.

If bosh was playing and Wade was on form, I'd expect the Heat to narrowly beat the best of the West for the title. It wouldn't be a complete surprise if they didn't. Yet with bosh out and Wade far from 100% , you and many others believe that it is only Spoelstra who is stopping the Heat from winning the title let alone beating the insignificant Pacers.

I think you are delusional.


Do you think Wade gives that half-assed effort last night with Riley on the sideline?

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Post#310 » by radikalBaller » Fri May 18, 2012 12:14 pm

HIF wrote:If I'm dumb you my friend are a moron - and quite possibly if I'm not.

And you really shouldn't add your own words inside a quote - it isn't a quote then - but maybe you didn't understand how to use a quote.


You should stick to sucking spo, your come backs are pretty weak
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Post#311 » by Ratchet_Rio » Fri May 18, 2012 12:16 pm

radikalBaller wrote:
HIF wrote:If I'm dumb you my friend are a moron - and quite possibly if I'm not.

And you really shouldn't add your own words inside a quote - it isn't a quote then - but maybe you didn't understand how to use a quote.


You should stick to sucking spo, your come backs are pretty weak


nah let him tell it. Spoelstra is the LAST person we should be blaming for this team failing to win a title 2 years in a row :roll:
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Post#312 » by HIF » Fri May 18, 2012 12:17 pm

Ratchet_Rio wrote:
HIF wrote:Of course the Head coach has the respect of the team captain.

Your ignorance is shared by many.

If we lose to the Pacers and Spo gets fired, that's how the game goes.

Fact is people like you and many many others had unreal imaginary belieifs about how much better the "big 3" made the Heat compared to every other team. They didn't, even fit and on form the team had glaring holes which haven't been filled yet.

If bosh was playing and Wade was on form, I'd expect the Heat to narrowly beat the best of the West for the title. It wouldn't be a complete surprise if they didn't. Yet with bosh out and Wade far from 100% , you and many others believe that it is only Spoelstra who is stopping the Heat from winning the title let alone beating the insignificant Pacers.

I think you are delusional.


Do you think Wade gives that half-assed effort last night with Riley on the sideline?

*Grabs popcorn*


I imagine that DWade is injured and playing through it as well as he can.

Riley was on the sideline and attends the training sessions at the moment. I don't think it would have made the slightest bit of difference to Dwyane's game.

He lacked lift not motivation.
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Post#313 » by HIF » Fri May 18, 2012 12:19 pm

radikalBaller wrote:
HIF wrote:If I'm dumb you my friend are a moron - and quite possibly if I'm not.

And you really shouldn't add your own words inside a quote - it isn't a quote then - but maybe you didn't understand how to use a quote.


You should stick to sucking spo, your come backs are pretty weak


I'm surprised that your personal comments haven't had you banned. I was banned for less insults to non-Heat supporters on this board last year.

Still insults is about all your posts are good for. If you don't like that I don't agree with you then just block my posts. :roll:
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Post#314 » by radikalBaller » Fri May 18, 2012 12:26 pm

It was just figurative...don't try to interpret it too much and take it personal unless you're having a Freudian slip. You should have been banned already for spreading your craziness and idiocy on this board.
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Post#315 » by NoComparison » Fri May 18, 2012 12:29 pm

radikalBaller wrote: You should have been banned already for spreading your craziness and idiocy on this boards.


lololol this.

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Post#316 » by HIF » Fri May 18, 2012 12:31 pm

radikalBaller wrote:It was just figurative...don't try to interpret it too much and take it personal unless you're having a Freudian slip. You should have been banned already for spreading your craziness and idiocy on this boards.


:D

apparently I have been but managed to convince myself I was only warned. :(
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Post#317 » by radikalBaller » Fri May 18, 2012 12:43 pm

HIF wrote:
radikalBaller wrote:It was just figurative...don't try to interpret it too much and take it personal unless you're having a Freudian slip. You should have been banned already for spreading your craziness and idiocy on this boards.


:D

apparently I have been but managed to convince myself I was only warned. :(


Ok Spo is waiting now, you've been talking too much, you can get back to your business...
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Post#318 » by BennyGfromFL » Fri May 18, 2012 3:41 pm

Flashpoint wrote:I totally agree with you. I don't think any of us expected this to be such a grinding, broken experience. The euphoria of everything coming together perfectly that July. To find us now on this precipice of potentially epic disappointment. If we don't win this year things become very ugly. Even doing the right thing and replacing Spo will still mean we've wasted 2 years of their primes. Wade's prime might soon be ending and that window to see something really special will be closed.

I'll be honest, I don't enjoy this team as much as I've enjoyed past Heat teams. I don't even think of this as much of a team. I have faith our heroes can drag us to a chip, but I would love to have seen this become a real team. Few things are as grating to me as poor leadership and management. Spo isn't suited for this. A lot of us saw it. But Riley's human, he has an ego and it's bitten us hard. Or maybe some of the blame can be laid on the players and they were vain enough to not want a coach who pushed them. I'd hate to think they wanted that but maybe they did and they're paying for it now.

As a fanbase, it feels like something has been stolen from us. Last year, we stood by the team through waves of bitter hypocrisy from the rest of the country. We get rewarded with a Finals loss to my most hated team on our homecourt. As great as it was to advance so far, that was a nightmare scenario. And a lot of the reasons for that loss stem from poor coaching and leadership. A lot of us got a sense from watching the team and Spo's inadequate coaching that at some point in the playoffs the HC would have to provide some added resolve (through motivation or scheme) to the players to win and he's just not capable of that. That's why it's a very small fraternity of coaches who have won it all. We survived that sickening loss just to expect this year for the team to have experience and chemistry developed. This is not a better team than last year's. There's been no progress, maybe even regression, and you lay that directly at Spo's feet.

These two years have been a strange ride. It's good to see some fellow fans I can relate to with their eyes open as we go through this. It's a necessary change from the squawking about what a super awesome job Spo is doing that dominated this thread just a week ago.


Oh man, it has definitely, without a doubt, been the most harrowing two years of following sports in my life, mostly because, with the unprecedented gift we'd been given last offseason, I in turn wasted so much time hoping and stressing that the obvious, correct moves would be made to deliver on this incredible fortune for the team I've loved since I was eight years old and preserve what I initially believed the assemblage of talent could be. At least in the Wannstedt years, it was pretty clear we were doomed when combining his incompetence with our roster, but to watch in slow motion as we bungle what's perfectly winnable, all because of stupidity and hubris and the notion that "we can't fire this guy because he got us to the finals" or "we can't fire this guy because it'd look desperate" when things have never been right, when we have never consistently passed the eye test, when hard-headed men have those hard heads so far up their asses and into their own shtick that they fail to see what 99% of casual fans can point out -- it brings on a whole new level of stress as a fan. It's like knowing that a person has an effortless capability to do something monumental to change the world, and then watching him fall into a long, drawn out addiction, never using those gifts and realizing that potential. I feel like we're all living presidential years right now, haha.

And it'd still all be worth it for a title or two, even though it could've been so much more.
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Post#319 » by Flashpoint » Sat May 19, 2012 10:28 am

BennyGfromFL wrote:Oh man, it has definitely, without a doubt, been the most harrowing two years of following sports in my life, mostly because, with the unprecedented gift we'd been given last offseason, I in turn wasted so much time hoping and stressing that the obvious, correct moves would be made to deliver on this incredible fortune for the team I've loved since I was eight years old and preserve what I initially believed the assemblage of talent could be. At least in the Wannstedt years, it was pretty clear we were doomed when combining his incompetence with our roster, but to watch in slow motion as we bungle what's perfectly winnable, all because of stupidity and hubris and the notion that "we can't fire this guy because he got us to the finals" or "we can't fire this guy because it'd look desperate" when things have never been right, when we have never consistently passed the eye test, when hard-headed men have those hard heads so far up their asses and into their own shtick that they fail to see what 99% of casual fans can point out -- it brings on a whole new level of stress as a fan. It's like knowing that a person has an effortless capability to do something monumental to change the world, and then watching him fall into a long, drawn out addiction, never using those gifts and realizing that potential. I feel like we're all living presidential years right now, haha.

And it'd still all be worth it for a title or two, even though it could've been so much more.

Word. Great post. Nothing like frustration at a dimpled stooge to bring out impassioned, eloquent insight from our fanbase. I really don't want this team to become some tragic parable for the perils of hubris. I just want to **** win some **** championships.
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Post#320 » by Nupe_1911 » Sat May 19, 2012 1:52 pm

I have been saying Spo. needs to go for like 3 to 4 years now. He has been awful. I don't know what Spo. has accomplished that justifies such a long long long leash and rabid support from certain posters on this board. The guy has literally no notches on his belt.

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