Is Roy Hibbert a Max contract player?

winter_mute_13 · Post #81 » by **winter_mute_13** » Fri May 18, 2012 12:15 pm

ShamrockBHV wrote:
MaxRider wrote:Big Marc got close to max
Hibbert will get about the same amount

60 Million $ in 4 years is not close to max...

Uh what? The MAX that another team can offer Hibbert is 4 years $55m. Only the Pacers can offer more.

Indy2thaWindy · Post #82 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Fri May 18, 2012 12:17 pm

ShamrockBHV wrote:
MaxRider wrote:Big Marc got close to max
Hibbert will get about the same amount

60 Million $ in 4 years is not close to max...

I don't think he can make much more than that.

Prospect Dong · Post #83 » by **Prospect Dong** » Fri May 18, 2012 1:03 pm

winter_mute_13 wrote:Roy was always getting a max or near max offer. Haven't you guys been paying attention? Big men get paid.

Marc Gasol is a good comparison. Gasol I think is still the better player, but the gap isn't huge and Hibbert is younger anyway. If Marc Gasol deserves his contract then so will Hibbert.

Yeah, this.

In general, if anyone on realgm thinks a guy's getting the max then he's getting the max. A lot of people just don't understand how NBA salaries are determined, and they think the max will be reserved for the top five or ten players in the league...

Indy2thaWindy · Post #84 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Fri May 18, 2012 1:06 pm

I don't think some of the people realize some players have a lower ceiling on how much they can make compared to others.

83SixersRocked · Post #85 » by **83SixersRocked** » Fri May 18, 2012 1:24 pm

He's going to get paid but I think a max contract is too much. He's under 50% shooting, which is meh for a big man, and doesn't shoot FTs well either. He did have a great game last night though.

Indy2thaWindy · Post #86 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Fri May 18, 2012 1:33 pm

83SixersRocked wrote:He's going to get paid but I think a max contract is too much. He's under 50% shooting, which is meh for a big man, and doesn't shoot FTs well either. He did have a great game last night though.

He's 48% for his career from the floor and 72% from the line for his career. There isn't any reason to think his FG% won't get better as he keeps improving his low post scoring and with a full off season and training camp to get better with David West. How many centers who aren't mainly shooters, shoot above 70% from the free throw line? He's not Dwight Howard or DeAndre Jordan at the line.

Post #87 » by **jr lucosa** » Fri May 18, 2012 1:42 pm

Played like it last night but hell no. He will recieve probably 12m+ annualy just because he's a Center who isn't a complete stiff. But I wouldn't want to be the team handing him that contract. I am a fan of his but Max player hell no.

GoNYK1288 · Post #88 » by **GoNYK1288** » Fri May 18, 2012 1:42 pm

No more questions for you, bro.

Deus · Post #89 » by **Deus** » Fri May 18, 2012 1:44 pm

I bet he gets close to the max. 13-15 million per year.

FlipTSO · Post #90 » by **FlipTSO** » Fri May 18, 2012 3:09 pm

Well most ppl here thought Harden, a 6th man, deserved a max deal. So I'd say a starting Center coming off an All-Star season, entering his prime, deserves at least the same consideration.

imo, he will stay with IND for around $10-12 mil/yr. IND's whole team is based on lots of guys contributing, without the superstars. They couldn't afford to pay him max money and keep the same type of team intact. And I don't think he's good enough to carry them by himself.

MalReyn · Post #91 » by **MalReyn** » Fri May 18, 2012 3:16 pm

Two separate questions:

Does he deserve a max contract?
No. He's an excellent player, but doesn't dominate either offensively or defensively in the way a max player really should. He has certain shortcomings in his game that will be difficult to improve upon. Also, frankly, his ceiling is not much higher than where he is right now. Despite the hard work he puts in, athletically he just isn't at the level at a lot of centers in this league. His success is largely due to his hard work and having a good head, but this will ultimately also limit him in the end.

Will he get a max contract?
Maybe, or at least pretty close. There's that much of a premium on legitimate centers in this league. Plus he's a great character guy, young, and hasn't displayed any injury issues or other red flags to this point in his career.

And a third question.... will a team regret giving him a max/near-max contract?
It really depends. Roy is a system player in many ways. He just doesn't have the tools to fit with every team in the league. However, if he signs with a team that utilizes his skills properly, he can easily be a productive 15 and 8 player, and strong defensive presence. However, it also wouldn't particularly surprise me if he seems to "regress" after signing with a new team, largely because of role on a new team that doesn't suit him.

Spottieottie · Post #92 » by **Spottieottie** » Fri May 18, 2012 3:18 pm

I will laugh at whatever team throws him a max contract. Huge salary cap stuff coming in 2 years, and your max contract space is taken up by Roy **** Hibbert.

As a Jazz fan who had to deal with max AK47 just trust me, these contracts for undeserved players are nothing to sneeze at!

I like Roy, but not as a max! Never as a max.

Indy2thaWindy · Post #93 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Fri May 18, 2012 3:26 pm

Kirilenko was also a 6-year deal. Hibbert will be a 4, at most 5 year deal. He'll be 30 when his contract expires and I don't think he's ever missed a game because of an injury, which is ridiculous for a 7'2 player which shows how serious he's been about taking care of his body the last few seasons.

Spottieottie · Post #94 » by **Spottieottie** » Fri May 18, 2012 3:44 pm

Indy can do what they like, lessons gotta be learned the hard way, but don't think I won't say I told you so

Indy2thaWindy · Post #95 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Fri May 18, 2012 3:47 pm

Spottieottie wrote:Indy can do what they like, lessons gotta be learned the hard way, but don't think I won't say I told you so

We can't all have the Al Jefferson's of the world.

celticfan42487 · Post #96 » by **celticfan42487** » Fri May 18, 2012 7:15 pm

55/4 ?

Under 14 million. Is that really the max an opposing tan can throw at him? If so thank god, this guy doesn't seem much better then AL jefferson but BOS would throw at least 16mil at him. Capping it at just under 14 makes me happy we can't overpay!

winter_mute_13 · Post #97 » by **winter_mute_13** » Fri May 18, 2012 7:43 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:55/4 ?

Under 14 million. Is that really the max an opposing tan can throw at him? If so thank god, this guy doesn't seem much better then AL jefferson but BOS would throw at least 16mil at him. Capping it at just under 14 makes me happy we can't overpay!

That's fine. I'd say Boston's chances of getting Al Jeff back are much higher than ever signing Hibbert. Heard that Al Jeff is obtainable for a couple of first rounders - and oh, what luck, Celtics just happen to have 2 firsts this year. Sounds like a match made in heaven

Post #98 » by **Trader_Joe** » Fri May 18, 2012 8:07 pm

Prospect Dong wrote:
winter_mute_13 wrote:Roy was always getting a max or near max offer. Haven't you guys been paying attention? Big men get paid.

Marc Gasol is a good comparison. Gasol I think is still the better player, but the gap isn't huge and Hibbert is younger anyway. If Marc Gasol deserves his contract then so will Hibbert.

Yeah, this.

In general, if anyone on realgm thinks a guy's getting the max then he's getting the max. A lot of people just don't understand how NBA salaries are determined, and they think the max will be reserved for the top five or ten players in the league...

This.
The only reason he may not get the max is because Indy can offer him a 5th year, but more money overall.

daschysta · Post #99 » by **daschysta** » Fri May 18, 2012 8:07 pm

Indy is matching, easily, no chnce he goes anywhere.

His "max" is only 4/55 he still has upside and is already easily worth that to Indy.

clevceltics · Post #100 » by **clevceltics** » Fri May 18, 2012 8:18 pm

Never pay fringe all stars like you would pay a superstar. It always comes back to bit you. Just look at the Hawks.