Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Harrison Barnes

HSOB SIRHC · Post #261 » by **HSOB SIRHC** » Thu May 24, 2012 9:28 pm

Lets just trade Demar for Barnes and then package our pick with something else to move up and grab Beal.

Dragic
Beal
Barnes
Bargs
JoVa

Success! 8-)

DA_SCOUT · Post #262 » by **DA_SCOUT** » Thu May 24, 2012 9:51 pm

HSOB SIRHC wrote:Lets just trade Demar for Barnes and then package our pick with something else to move up and grab Beal.

Dragic
Beal
Barnes
Bargs
JoVa

Success!

Having three players in your starting line up that have never stepped on an NBA court is not a good move to win now. But it is a good move for the future. Colangelo would never do it lol

C_Money · Post #263 » by **C_Money** » Thu May 24, 2012 10:22 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:I've been rewatching some UNC games to make a video for Barnes and one thing I'll say is that he is extremely smooth. I think he's a great athlete even though he doesn't have a first step. Fluidity is a huge part of athleticism. I would predict 18 pts 6 rebounds on a weak efficiency because he seems to be pretty in love with his midrange jumpshot game. He took a lot of fadeaways and "fancy" shots in the games I watched.

Ell Curry brought up a comparison yesterday I like and have used before - I could see him being a SF Nick Young type. Young to me is pretty smooth and can shoot but doesn't have quite the speed or explosion to be an attack the paint player, so he ends up with a lot of herky jerky jumpshots. More intelligent version of Young maybe. I see Barnes having a better career than half the guys taken top 20. My problem is I can't buy the upside like some other prospects

He only looks fluid because he moves so slow.

Post #264 » by **Undefeated** » Thu May 24, 2012 10:24 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:I've been rewatching some UNC games to make a video for Barnes and one thing I'll say is that he is extremely smooth. I think he's a great athlete even though he doesn't have a first step. Fluidity is a huge part of athleticism. I would predict 18 pts 6 rebounds on a weak efficiency because he seems to be pretty in love with his midrange jumpshot game. He took a lot of fadeaways and "fancy" shots in the games I watched.

I always thought of Barnes' athleticism as functional athleticism meaning he makes good use of his athleticism and applying it in games. He's not the off-the-charts type athletic freak that would make you jump out your seats when he's alone in an empty gym. But you've got plenty of high-flying guys out there, but they can't translate that athleticism in games. Whenever I hear Barnes is a grounded athlete, I just don't see it. He's got a great core which allows him to contort his body in air space and maneuver mid-air adjusting to the shot-blocker without getting his lay-up altered or avoiding the charge. How many times did Barnes even get stuffed at the rim this year? He's not the type of athlete who needs momentum on the move either in order to gather himself to take off the ground. That's the difference between a two-legged leaper and a one-legged leaper. Barnes got that instant "pop" in his vertical -- how fast he's able to jump. And I think a first step is overrated for a SF. LeBron James himself has said his first step isn't even that great, but it's his second step that's devastating.

“My first step ain’t never been that great. It’s my second step, that’s where I’ll get you.”

http://www.cavstheblog.com/?p=1698

So, when you add it all up, you've got a good ball player who's able to make good use of his athleticism unlike many other who cannot harness it. The game of basketball is about making good use of what you have and actually doing it in games which Barnes does.

Young to me is pretty smooth and can shoot but doesn't have quite the speed or explosion to be an attack the paint player, so he ends up with a lot of herky jerky jumpshots. More intelligent version of Young maybe.

The smaller paint in college basketball could be attributed as to why Barnes didn't put the ball on the floor a lot. And it didn't help that Tyler Zeller and John Henson who are useless outside of 10-feet always camped down low along with their defenders didn't exactly open up the floor for the dribble-drive.

fredericklove · Post #265 » by **fredericklove** » Fri May 25, 2012 1:48 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:I've been rewatching some UNC games to make a video for Barnes and one thing I'll say is that he is extremely smooth. I think he's a great athlete even though he doesn't have a first step. Fluidity is a huge part of athleticism. I would predict 18 pts 6 rebounds on a weak efficiency because he seems to be pretty in love with his midrange jumpshot game. He took a lot of fadeaways and "fancy" shots in the games I watched.

Ell Curry brought up a comparison yesterday I like and have used before - I could see him being a SF Nick Young type. Young to me is pretty smooth and can shoot but doesn't have quite the speed or explosion to be an attack the paint player, so he ends up with a lot of herky jerky jumpshots. More intelligent version of Young maybe. I see Barnes having a better career than half the guys taken top 20. My problem is I can't buy the upside like some other prospects

What the? You just took a 180 degrees turn on Barnes now? You went from anti-Barnes to this, unbelievable.

fredericklove · Post #266 » by **fredericklove** » Fri May 25, 2012 1:57 pm

C_Money wrote:
He only looks fluid because he moves so slow.

It seems like you don't understand what fluid means.

JamesNaismith · Post #267 » by **JamesNaismith** » Fri May 25, 2012 3:24 pm

I'm just hoping teams fall in love with PJ3 and Sully so Barnes can fulfill his destiny as a Toronto Raptor lol I also gotta say that if we somehow fluke into drafting him then I hope we try to get him to trim back down a little bit. Personally he seemed a bit quicker imo but maybe I'm off...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsV1SzGEc68[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fdzmUAqilg[/youtube]

CTG · Post #268 » by **CTG** » Mon May 28, 2012 1:50 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b5G_VFFT0A[/youtube]

fredericklove · Post #269 » by **fredericklove** » Mon May 28, 2012 5:21 pm

CTG wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b5G_VFFT0A[/youtube]

these are pretty good dunks considering his athleticism is negatively perceived by the haters as "weak hop". I want more Barnes pre-draft workout, more!

tdotrep2 · Post #270 » by **tdotrep2** » Mon May 28, 2012 5:31 pm

he better be doing more than just dunking with no one around lol.

Post #271 » by **DG88** » Mon May 28, 2012 5:43 pm

Barnes = role player

drew_8730 · Post #272 » by **drew_8730** » Mon May 28, 2012 6:19 pm

were not gettin barnes, hes not a top 3, and were at 8, he isnt fallin, what r we gonna move up to #3 and take barnes? id rather andre drummond or beal, with davis and mkg at 1 and 2

lolwut · Post #273 » by **lolwut** » Mon May 28, 2012 8:48 pm

drew_8730 wrote:were not gettin barnes, hes not a top 3, and were at 8, he isnt fallin, what r we gonna move up to #3 and take barnes? id rather andre drummond or beal, with davis and mkg at 1 and 2

what

provecy15 · Post #274 » by **provecy15** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:01 pm

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft201 ... -version-9

Not sure if everyone can see, but if he slips to 8..I think its safe to say the raps will pick him

AkelaLoneWolf · Post #275 » by **AkelaLoneWolf** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:02 pm

don't have access to Insider; could u post teh whole blurb about the raps thx

Garmfay · Post #276 » by **Garmfay** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:03 pm

Move the hell up BC to secure him then

hankscorpioLA · Post #277 » by **hankscorpioLA** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:03 pm

If he slips to 8 I think its safe to say that the Raps draft him and then have to hire an industrial cleaning crew to get rid of the gallons of jizz they spew all over their draft room.

ty123 · Post #278 » by **ty123** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:03 pm

This is the time where a lot of speculation & smokescreens come into play.

BillyGM · Post #279 » by **BillyGM** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:03 pm

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:don't have access to Insider; could u post teh whole blurb about the raps thx

MastaMindz · Post #280 » by **MastaMindz** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:03 pm

hankscorpioLA wrote:If he slips to 8 I think its safe to say that the Raps draft him and then have to hire an industrial cleaning crew to get rid of the gallons of jizz they spew all over their draft room.

If still on the Board by our pick what are the chanches we draft him?