Jeremy Lin vs. Goran Dragic

[lleepar]

Jeremy Lin ‏@JLin7
Headed back to cali for the offseason...just wanna say thanks NEW YORK for making it an unbelievable five months!!

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sounds like a parting tweet to me

We've got another player who has gone back to the West Coast -- providing another tweet that we can dissect for all possible meanings ...


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[Pharmcat]

Did someone just say Sessions over Lin? Dude is a scrub. Look at his pitiful playoff performance.... He is a good backup PG at best or a poor starting PG. I have only seen him penetrate. He has a pitiful jump shot, made very few plays, has even worse defense than Lin and for some reason he couldn't shoot for 3 if his life depended on it when he could shoot from 3 well during the regular season. Sessions played horribly when the Lakers used a half-court offense. Lin still played fairly well under Woodson who uses a half court offense as well.

Dragic over Lin I can understand but I see LIn surpassing him. He is over two years younger and has had far less playing time and experience. Not to mention Dragic will cost us a hefty 10m+ per year.

teams game plan for the PO game....thats why sessions got exposed a bit, aside from the mike brown lol

[Clyde_Style]

Sorry dude, but all guns, knives and skin transmitted toxins will be checked at the door by the bouncers.

How do you stop that which feels no pain? Plus that's what they've got undetectable carcinogens in tiny needles hidden under the fingernails for.

You know too much. Our agents will be in touch.

[bklynstoops]

There are PGs like Dragic and Sessions that I would probably start over Lin if I was playing one game tomorrow, but, in terms of giving multi-year contract to, I'd take my chances with Lin. It would be interesting to revisit this comparison same time next year.

VERY WELL SAID... I agree with you...

Did both of you guys watch the Lakers in the play-offs? Sessions was playing like a bonafide scrub. Even when Denver doubled Kobe, Gasol and Bynum and Sessions was given a dozen good looks each game his bandwagon managed to break under the weight of all his awful deer-in-headlights moments.

I would take Lin over Sessions 10 times out of 10.

I did and Sessions had a bad POs, for sure. My only point was that there are PGs that are more proven players. I'm pretty high on Lin and what he can bring to the table, not the least of which is his confidence and his ability to handle himself in this market. But it's been less than half a season. And as I said, I'd go with Lin as well as far as my investment in the next few years.

[Rcai]

I would pick Lin in a fight to the death with Dragic on account of his growing up with ninjas and tai chi masters.

Eastern European Gangsters > Ninjas.

Slovenia is not Eastern Europe though.

And ninjas are Japanese, not Chinese nor Taiwanese. Thanks.

[cgf]

I would pick Lin in a fight to the death with Dragic on account of his growing up with ninjas and tai chi masters.

Eastern European Gangsters > Ninjas.

Slovenia is not Eastern Europe though.

It's east of the Adriatic. *shrug* Jeremy Lin grew up in California before going to an Ivy League school, so it's not like we were being all that literal.

[langal]

Did someone just say Sessions over Lin?

Agree. Steve Blake was on the floor at the end of games during the Thunder series.

[Clyde_Style]

Eastern European Gangsters > Ninjas.

Slovenia is not Eastern Europe though.

And ninjas are Japanese, not Chinese nor Taiwanese. Thanks.

Well, excuse me Mrs. Politically Correct. I wasn't making biased assumptions about which martial arts masters he grew up around based on his race, but was joking around based on the fact he grew up in Palo Alto. The Bay Area is a hub for martial arts of all kind in the USA. If you were actually paying attention I didn't say he grew up around Tai Chi, Bagua and Flying Crane masters and included another one of the arts from elsewhere. Ninjas are from Japan. Duh.

[gavran]

It's east of the Adriatic. *shrug* Jeremy Lin grew up in California before going to an Ivy League school, so it's not like we were being all that literal.

I understand that, but this is just (one of) my pet peeve(s). The western border of Eastern Europe are the Carpathian Mountains.

[Rcai]

Well, excuse me Mrs. Politically Correct. I wasn't making biased assumptions about which martial arts masters he grew up around based on his race, but was joking around based on the fact he grew up in Palo Alto. The Bay Area is a hub for martial arts of all kind in the USA. If you were actually paying attention I didn't say he grew up around Tai Chi, Bagua and Flying Crane masters and included another one of the arts from elsewhere. Ninjas are from Japan. Duh.

Haha, relax pal. My bad. I was just joking around bc I saw the east european comment.

[NOODLESTYLE]

Well, excuse me Mrs. Politically Correct. I wasn't making biased assumptions about which martial arts masters he grew up around based on his race, but was joking around based on the fact he grew up in Palo Alto. The Bay Area is a hub for martial arts of all kind in the USA. If you were actually paying attention I didn't say he grew up around Tai Chi, Bagua and Flying Crane masters and included another one of the arts from elsewhere. Ninjas are from Japan. Duh.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ns-kXeQCMk[/youtube]

[Clyde_Style]

Well, excuse me Mrs. Politically Correct. I wasn't making biased assumptions about which martial arts masters he grew up around based on his race, but was joking around based on the fact he grew up in Palo Alto. The Bay Area is a hub for martial arts of all kind in the USA. If you were actually paying attention I didn't say he grew up around Tai Chi, Bagua and Flying Crane masters and included another one of the arts from elsewhere. Ninjas are from Japan. Duh.

Haha, relax pal. My bad. I was just joking around bc I saw the east european comment.

No problem, but I'm pretty accurate most of the time about verbal intent. Ending a post with Thanks meant it was a reprimand, not playful. Its OK though. You're new so you may have missed the amount of politically correct scolding going on during Linsanity. We had a few actual racists show up here, but they were douches and were bounced. Most people love Lin and you'll find no malicious intent in any humor here.

[Clyde_Style]

Well, excuse me Mrs. Politically Correct. I wasn't making biased assumptions about which martial arts masters he grew up around based on his race, but was joking around based on the fact he grew up in Palo Alto. The Bay Area is a hub for martial arts of all kind in the USA. If you were actually paying attention I didn't say he grew up around Tai Chi, Bagua and Flying Crane masters and included another one of the arts from elsewhere. Ninjas are from Japan. Duh.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ns-kXeQCMk[/youtube]

Yo! My Ninja with the timely video.

[NOODLESTYLE]

Yo! My Ninja with the timely video.

No problem!

Interesting video and read here too about the History of the Ninja.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWBFokVoMSQ[/youtube]

http://asianhistory.about.com/od/warsin ... rofile.htm

Mainland Influences on the Early Ninja:

By the year 850, the Tang Dynasty in China was in decline. It would fall in 907, plunging China into 50 years of chaos; the collapse prompted some Tang generals to escape over the sea to Japan.

These commanders brought new battle tactics and philosophies of war with them.

Chinese monks also began to arrive in Japan in the 1020s, bringing new medicines and fighting philosophies of their own. Many of the ideas originated in India, and made their way across Tibet and China before turning up in Japan.

The monks taught their methods to Japan's warrior-monks, or yamabushi, as well as to members of the first ninja clans.

The First Known Ninja School:

For a century or more, the blend of Chinese and native tactics that would become ninjutsu developed as a counter-culture, without rules.

It was first formalized by Daisuke Togakure and Kain Doshi.

[DocZaius]

Well, excuse me Mrs. Politically Correct. I wasn't making biased assumptions about which martial arts masters he grew up around based on his race, but was joking around based on the fact he grew up in Palo Alto. The Bay Area is a hub for martial arts of all kind in the USA. If you were actually paying attention I didn't say he grew up around Tai Chi, Bagua and Flying Crane masters and included another one of the arts from elsewhere. Ninjas are from Japan. Duh.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ns-kXeQCMk[/youtube]

[Clyde_Style]

Yo! My Ninja with the timely video.

No problem!

Interesting video and read here too about the History of the Ninja.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWBFokVoMSQ[/youtube]

http://asianhistory.about.com/od/warsin ... rofile.htm

Mainland Influences on the Early Ninja:

By the year 850, the Tang Dynasty in China was in decline. It would fall in 907, plunging China into 50 years of chaos; the collapse prompted some Tang generals to escape over the sea to Japan.

These commanders brought new battle tactics and philosophies of war with them.

Chinese monks also began to arrive in Japan in the 1020s, bringing new medicines and fighting philosophies of their own. Many of the ideas originated in India, and made their way across Tibet and China before turning up in Japan.

The monks taught their methods to Japan's warrior-monks, or yamabushi, as well as to members of the first ninja clans.

The First Known Ninja School:

For a century or more, the blend of Chinese and native tactics that would become ninjutsu developed as a counter-culture, without rules.

It was first formalized by Daisuke Togakure and Kain Doshi.

Yeah, the Buddha was from India. What ended up in Japan came from the development of Buddhism in China. The word Zen is a derivative of the Chinese Ch'an. Similar transferrals of knowledge occurred in the martial arts. All of the regions had fighting arts of some kind before being introduced to new influences. India probably had the earliest organized martial arts. Buddhism pretty much died out in India and most of its native martial arts knowledge.

The Chinese and Japanese character emphasized less elaborate teaching methods for the meditative arts because of their cultural orientation. When buddhism was brought into Tibet it merged with the native Bon religion which is still going independently in small numbers today. Tibetan Buddhism is populated by many deities which was appropriated from the native Bon and folk traditions.

The father of Tibetan Buddhism was Padmasambhava who was basically imported from India. The story is he showed up in the Tibetan highlands and told all of the more rambunctious local deities he'd kick their butts six ways to Sunday if they did not subjugate themselves to his will and they said get lost. He did some magic, scared them straight and now Tibetans have a whole bunch of gods working for them. It is no longer what came from India.

Ninjas are Japanese, but they got lots of stuff from others too.

[StutterStep]

Dragic over Lin is a conservative person's move. Dragic is who he is and it's set in stone. He will never lead a veteran team to contention. Think of a young Jason "White Chocolate" Williams. Later in his career with guys like Shaq/Wade, he will mature and participate in winning...but when you think PG as Leader of team, that's not Dragic.

Lin's story is more of system. He's the type of player that if you put the right players around him, he can elevate them to contention...BUT Lin has to have the green light to shoot and do what he does.

[dantian]

Dragic over Lin is a conservative person's move. Dragic is who he is and it's set in stone. He will never lead a veteran team to contention. Think of a young Jason "White Chocolate" Williams. Later in his career with guys like Shaq/Wade, he will mature and participate in winning...but when you think PG as Leader of team, that's not Dragic.

Lin's story is more of system. He's the type of player that if you put the right players around him, he can elevate them to contention...BUT Lin has to have the green light to shoot and do what he does.

SYSTEM is the key word. Sloan has it. Woodson needs it.

[HateMyThreads]

Give me Dragic >> ...

We'll match any offer for Lin but I'm afraid we overpay cause a team that is trying to sell tickets with nothing to lose goes super hard after Lin for that reason mainly. I can see the Nets trying to offer a 40 mil deal or so. We need to be careful how we play this. Hopefully Lin realizes that he can make more money playing for the Knicks asap cause A. we're a winning team now and B. Brooklyn is great but the New York name still brings in the attention and more potential endorsements. No way Lin comes behind Rose in jersey sales after playing good for 1 month if he played anywhere else aside from NY ... maybe in LA. One thing this comparison chart doesn't cover is being clutch. Lin showed how clutch he can be and how he's not afraid of the moment. I think thats a big thing to consider. Dragic is much better cause he's not as careless with the ball and he's so savvy inside that lane. His length helps him and his agility is similar to Ginobli (highest compliment ever) ... a guy that slick gets to the lane at will. Knicks could benefit off that dramatically. Lin can't split double teams and traps like Dragic can. Dragic would fit our team much much better but there's no chance we get the guy.

[TheToothFairy]

The amount of disloyalty here disgusts me, did people see what Lin did for this franchise?

Clamoring over other similar players is just plain disrespectful.

I hate fair weather bandwagon fans