Gasol talk - Sam (pg 1), Thonus (pg 10)

[Ralphb07]

The interesting part, according to Lakers’ insiders, is Gasol would like to play for the Bulls. And what you hardly need any sources for is to see how he and Bryant basically can’t stand one another.

But if you can add Gasol to go with Boozer, Omer Asik and Taj Gibson, you can move Joakim Noah, who also has great value. That, of course, would be if the Bulls decided to start anew and provide a new and different kind of cast to play with Rose. It’s maybe the biggest philosophical question to begin to consider these next few weeks.

You could get two players for someone like Noah to replace Noah and get a guard. Maybe Atlanta with a sign and trade for Kirk Hinrich and Marvin Williams; Charlotte for B.J. Augustin, Gerald Henderson and B.J. Mullens, Houston with some package including Kyle Lowry and Courtney Lee; New Orleans for Trevor Ariza, Jarrett Jack and one of their lottery picks; Denver with Wilson Chandler and Andre Miller or Arron Afflalo; Minnesota with Luke Ridnour, Derrick Williams and maybe Anthony Randolph or Wes Johnson, though they’d need something back like the Bulls’ No. 1 pick.

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_120528.html

The bold part is for Red . Looks like Smith is on the same page as you, just swapped Deng with Noah...

I think I'd be all for a Deng and Hamilton trade for Gasol. Pau can play C and play along side Boozer and those two can hold the fort down until Rose comes back and when he does that's a nice offensive punch Rose-Gasol-Boozer. Carlos is overpaid but IMO is a great #3 option that will still give you 15 and 9. People can hate his contract but if we got a 2nd scoring, I don't think many could say Carlos isn't a good #3. Also with Gasol and Boozer, there's a good reason to keep Asik. Gasol, Boozer, Asik and Gibson is some front court.


I love Noah a lot but with that deal Noah can fetch you 2-3 good players to fill out your roster. I think it's something to look at. If we did Deng & RIP for Gasol and followed it up with the Hornets deal, look at that roster come March

G-Rose/Jack
G-Lamb/Butler
F-Ariza/Butler
F-Boozer/Gibson
C-Gasol/Asik

So basically you're trading Noah, Deng and RIP for Gasol, Jack, Ariza and the Hornets pick that allows us to land Lamb.

[boogydown]

It’s usually the losers who provide the trade field with the biggest names being speculated upon these last few weeks also including Andre Iguodala, Pau Gasol, Al Jefferson and Rudy Gay.

The interesting part, according to Lakers’ insiders, is Gasol would like to play for the Bulls.

Forget Carlos Boozer. The Lakers have zero interest and would take Lamar Odom back before taking on Boozer’s $47 million remaining. Or maybe Smush Parker.

Yes, the Lakers probably would love to also have Richard Hamilton to make the deal work as their bench is so weak and he is a longtime competitor of Bryant from their Philadelphia prep days.

[Payt10]

Meh.. Not a big fan of Pau anymore, after watching him struggle for his second consecutive postseason. He looks like he's going downhill faster than Carlos is and he's older. If they're going to take a risk, deal Deng for a lottery pick or go for Howard or Bynum. I definitely do not want Boozer and Gasol together.

[PistolP]

You could get two players for someone like Noah to replace Noah and get a guard. Maybe Atlanta with a sign and trade for Kirk Hinrich and Marvin Williams

That might be one of the worst trades I have seen...ever...from anybody. Wow

Gasol & Boozer would be an amazing combo on offense. You could really use them to space the floor also run PnRs from both sides of the court all game. On defense they would be pretty awful at protecting the basket, but would at least rebound. I could see Thibs closing out games with Gasol & Taj, which would be a pretty good combo on both ends. Noah would definitely have more trade value to go out and get other pieces though than Deng. It's an interesting idea, but really tough to every see such crazy changes all go down at once.

Gasol's salary + trade kicker make trading for him really difficult if the Bulls try to avoid the LT. Maybe Jerry would pay up a little bit this season knowing that in 2014, Gasol expires and Boozer can be amnestied, and the team will be back under the cap. Too crazy for the Bulls to ever pull off, but just for fun, I'd be intrigued if we could do something like this:

To LAL: Deng, Rip
To SAC: Noah, Korver, CHA 1st, Bulls 1st
To CHI: Gasol, Evans, Salmons, SAC 1st

Rose / FA
Evans / Butler
Barnes / Salmons
Boozer / Taj
Gasol / Omer

[boogydown]

My thoughts:

- As for trading Noah for Gasol, just forget about it. We need young youth and by the time Rose is 100%, Gasol will be 34.

- I really don't want us to pursue Gasol unless we're giving up Boozer. Gasol just isn't worth it. He hasn't been good in the playoffs for 2 years. Aren't we looking for a 2nd option, not another guy who vanishes in the playoffs?

- Trading Deng is fine but for something younger.

[cot2]

The Bulls are not going to add a $19M player, with his slip in productivity. The PF/C spot is not an area of need, adding on salary in a year without Rose, and who knows how far that decline will be the following season. Nothing in the article seems to make any sense, at all, as all those trades put the Bulls deep into the tax, in a year with little hope for competing for a title.

[boogydown]

The Bulls are not going to add a $19M player, with his slip in productivity. The PF/C spot is not an area of need, adding on salary in a year without Rose, and who knows how far that decline will be the following season. Nothing in the article seems to make any sense, at all, as all those trades put the Bulls deep into the tax, in a year with little hope for competing for a title.

We'll add Gasol if they take on Boozer basically. Only way I see a deal to be made. This Deng and Noah talk for Gasol is ridiculous. It will never happen.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

Meh.. Not a big fan of Pau anymore, after watching him struggle for his second consecutive postseason. He looks like he's going downhill faster than Carlos is and he's older.

Agreed.

Noah is a better talent with a better contract compared to Gasol, IMHO.

[Indomitable]

The interesting part, according to Lakers’ insiders, is Gasol would like to play for the Bulls. And what you hardly need any sources for is to see how he and Bryant basically can’t stand one another.

But if you can add Gasol to go with Boozer, Omer Asik and Taj Gibson, you can move Joakim Noah, who also has great value. That, of course, would be if the Bulls decided to start anew and provide a new and different kind of cast to play with Rose. It’s maybe the biggest philosophical question to begin to consider these next few weeks.

You could get two players for someone like Noah to replace Noah and get a guard. Maybe Atlanta with a sign and trade for Kirk Hinrich and Marvin Williams; Charlotte for B.J. Augustin, Gerald Henderson and B.J. Mullens, Houston with some package including Kyle Lowry and Courtney Lee; New Orleans for Trevor Ariza, Jarrett Jack and one of their lottery picks; Denver with Wilson Chandler and Andre Miller or Arron Afflalo; Minnesota with Luke Ridnour, Derrick Williams and maybe Anthony Randolph or Wes Johnson, though they’d need something back like the Bulls’ No. 1 pick.

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_120528.html

The bold part is for Red . Looks like Smith is on the same page as you, just swapped Deng with Noah...

I think I'd be all for a Deng and Hamilton trade for Gasol. Pau can play C and play along side Boozer and those two can hold the fort down until Rose comes back and when he does that's a nice offensive punch Rose-Gasol-Boozer. Carlos is overpaid but IMO is a great #3 option that will still give you 15 and 9. People can hate his contract but if we got a 2nd scoring, I don't think many could say Carlos isn't a good #3. Also with Gasol and Boozer, there's a good reason to keep Asik. Gasol, Boozer, Asik and Gibson is some front court.


I love Noah a lot but with that deal Noah can fetch you 2-3 good players to fill out your roster. I think it's something to look at. If we did Deng & RIP for Gasol and followed it up with the Hornets deal, look at that roster come March

G-Rose/Jack
G-Lamb/Butler
F-Ariza/Butler
F-Boozer/Gibson
C-Gasol/Asik

So basically you're trading Noah, Deng and RIP for Gasol, Jack, Ariza and the Hornets pick that allows us to land Lamb.

Only a idiot would want to put Gasol and Boozer in the same lineup. That is the worst Defensive frontline in the league. The Boozer and Gasol would be a bad idea.

Just think about it
ATL kills
Ny kills
Indy maybe
Miami with bosh would hurt it
Minnesota with love. Neither of this guys are great to guard in space.

Plus you will have a 33 Gasol and 31 Boozer.

Lamb has proven dic in the league. Ariza is a good open court player but there is reason why this is his 4 team in 4 years.

[Wonzo23]

Deng or Noah for Gasol would be a disaster. Don't forget, it's not about next season, it's about the future. D-Rose will not be 100 percent for a while and Gasol isn't getting any younger. Boozer is the only player I would trade for Gasol.

[PistolP]

Noah is a better talent with a better contract compared to Gasol, IMHO.

No doubt. There's really no argument to be made to do such a deal unless you have an awesome trade lined up to get some really good assets back for Noah, which would compensate for the long-term downgrade. All the example returns for Noah that Sam mentioned were horrible. It's like he didn't even think through that part at all.

[U boj]

So basically, having Boozer's awful contract and play will ultimately cost the Bulls Noah/Deng.

**** you Carlos Boozer you piece of ****.

[Indomitable]

He also suggested the Tyreke move which appeals to me

[BullsGate]

I do not want pau gasol here....I rather rent Howard for 1 year .

[P.C.]

The Bulls are not going to add a $19M player, with his slip in productivity. The PF/C spot is not an area of need, adding on salary in a year without Rose, and who knows how far that decline will be the following season. Nothing in the article seems to make any sense, at all, as all those trades put the Bulls deep into the tax, in a year with little hope for competing for a title.

We'll add Gasol if they take on Boozer basically. Only way I see a deal to be made. This Deng and Noah talk for Gasol is ridiculous. It will never happen.

Yeah, these trade ideas border on the bizarre. You can't put boozer and gasol on the same roster, financially or in terms of playing styles.

[cot2]

The Bulls are not going to add a $19M player, with his slip in productivity. The PF/C spot is not an area of need, adding on salary in a year without Rose, and who knows how far that decline will be the following season. Nothing in the article seems to make any sense, at all, as all those trades put the Bulls deep into the tax, in a year with little hope for competing for a title.

We'll add Gasol if they take on Boozer basically. Only way I see a deal to be made. This Deng and Noah talk for Gasol is ridiculous. It will never happen.

Yeah, these trade ideas border on the bizarre. You can't put boozer and gasol on the same roster, financially or in terms of playing styles.

Even if the LAL were to take Boozer, for Gasol, or found a 3rd team to take him, that still adds about $5M in extra salary, depending on his you calculate his trade kicker, all taxed. You could try to add Hamilton, but then you have no SG, that is just this coming season, as Hamilton could have expired the next season it is worse, as the more punitive tax kicks in. Once Rose went down, the chance of adding this type of salary went to zero.

[bullsnewdynasty]

Sam Smith is really dumb

[musiqsoulchild]

Gasol should be the Boozer upgrade.

I would do a Taj + Boozer for Josh McRoberts + Gasol.

Obviously salaries dont work out but the idea is that Gasol completely replaces Boozer as the pick and roll big.

[xpmar9x]

I've never been a huge fan of Pau Gasol... I'd have a hard time rooting for him, especially if we have to lose Noah to take him. Dude is a punk.

I'm over the whole Gasol to the Bulls idea. He will be 33, and is making 33 mil the next two years. Is Boozer/Gasol any better of a combo than Boozer/Noah?

[kozelkid]

I've never been a huge fan of Pau Gasol... I'd have a hard time rooting for him, especially if we have to lose Noah to take him. Dude is a punk.

I'm over the whole Gasol to the Bulls idea. He will be 33, and is making 33 mil the next two years. Is Boozer/Gasol any better of a combo than Boozer/Noah?

Seriously? Of course.

Gasol is a top 20 maybe top 15 player in this league; Noah is around top 50.

Granted, Noah might hold as much/more value given his age and significantly smaller contract. Not to mention with Rose down, I'm not sure if Gasol is worth it given that a season will likely be wasted. However, right now, Gasol/Boozer **** on Noah/Boozer.