SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[LarsV8]

Any rumblings from Houston?

I think I remember you mentioning a Martin/ET swap at some point.

[nickbman]

no way the76ers get Deron Williams lets be forreal

Yet you would settle a bigger Iguodala in Josh Smith. Aren't we already full of tweeners?

josh smith plays D and he can score - bonehead, tho.

[BringBackKorver]

Any rumblings from Houston?

I think I remember you mentioning a Martin/ET swap at some point.

What direction is Houston looking to go in these days? Still hoping for a re-try of last off-season, bringing a star to town? Or is it time to ditch Kmart & Scola and go young? And how do you view Scola, is he a negative now that he's over 30 and making 10+ a year?

A band-aid type trade like Brand & ET for KMart & Scola could be interesting if we could find a defensive center and Houston wants to rebuild. They are both defensive liabilities, but we sorely need an efficient perimeter scorer and post scorer.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I know the Sixers will never do this, but if they can't sign Deron Williams after using the amnesty on Brand, I'd honestly just sit on the cap space and wait until 2013 or 2014. You don't get many chances in the NBA to get cap room and I would not make the same mistake they did with Brand and sign the best guy on the market just because the money is there and they need to spend it. If you can't get that superstar this year, I wouldn't blow the money on a bunch of guys who won't be bringing this team into contending territory.

[Rnd Mnd of Rbnd]

If we do add Deron... I don't know how I feel about Jrue and Turner on the wings. Deron/Jrue/Iggy would be ideal IMO, but it's questionable what type of return you could get for ET in a trade.

[P2K]

I know the Sixers will never do this, but if they can't sign Deron Williams after using the amnesty on Brand, I'd honestly just sit on the cap space and wait until 2013 or 2014. You don't get many chances in the NBA to get cap room and I would not make the same mistake they did with Brand and sign the best guy on the market just because the money is there and they need to spend it. If you can't get that superstar this year, I wouldn't blow the money on a bunch of guys who won't be bringing this team into contending territory.

Wait...unless I missed something like some of the rules being in effect at a later date or I heard something totally untrue, teams can't sit on cap space like before. They have to spend to a certain amount. Or am I wrong? I thought there was a cap floor that every team has to reach by the end of the season.

[freshie2]

Could probably meet that requirement with 1 year deals???

[LongLiveHinkie]

I know the Sixers will never do this, but if they can't sign Deron Williams after using the amnesty on Brand, I'd honestly just sit on the cap space and wait until 2013 or 2014. You don't get many chances in the NBA to get cap room and I would not make the same mistake they did with Brand and sign the best guy on the market just because the money is there and they need to spend it. If you can't get that superstar this year, I wouldn't blow the money on a bunch of guys who won't be bringing this team into contending territory.

Wait...unless I missed something like some of the rules being in effect at a later date or I heard something totally untrue, teams can't sit on cap space like before. They have to spend to a certain amount. Or am I wrong? I thought there was a cap floor that every team has to reach by the end of the season.

I know the NFL has that. Not sure about the NBA. That would be terrible for the NBA. How can you force someone to spend money to reach a certain "floor" when the contracts are guaranteed? You are basically forcing yourself to screw yourself over in terms of cap space unless you load up on a bunch of one year deals. If true, it would just be another black eye on the worst run league in pro sports.

[Sixerscan]

Well they're not gonna cut Brand and then not sign anyone. If there isn't anyone worth signing then they would probably just have Elton stick around another year.

But as far as the question above goes, the salary floor is still something like $15 million below the salary cap so it would be pretty easy to reach it just by filling out the roster.

[P2K]

Could probably meet that requirement with 1 year deals???

That's what I was thinking, but would the players go for that was what I thought would make that hard to do.

But as far as the question above goes, the salary floor is still something like $15 million below the salary cap so it would be pretty easy to reach it just by filling out the roster.

$15 mil sounds better. I intially heard it was about $6 mil below the cap. But if it's the figure you gave, I'm alright with that (somewhat lol).

[KKell2507]

In the new CBA there is a cap floor. I believe its 85% of the Cap. So if the cap is 58mil then your salary cap has to be atleast 49.3mil. So if we did amnesty Brand and dont get a major FA, then wed have to sign a couple of 1 year deals to guys to get to 49mil, but still have our cap space in 2013. Which isnt really as bad as it sounds. You can afford to overpay for a guy if need be and make it easier to sign him if hes willing to do a 1 year deal.

[P2K]

In the new CBA there is a cap floor. I believe its 85% of the Cap. So if the cap is 58mil then your salary cap has to be atleast 49.3mil. So if we did amnesty Brand and dont get a major FA, then wed have to sign a couple of 1 year deals to guys to get to 49mil, but still have our cap space in 2013. Which isnt really as bad as it sounds. You can afford to overpay for a guy if need be and make it easier to sign him if hes willing to do a 1 year deal.

Thanks so much for the info. I knew there was something like that. When I first heard about it when the new CBA was signed off on, it pissed me off on top of the matching salaries to a certain % for trades.

Makes no sense you would HAVE to sign a couple of "meh" players to reach a dumb cap floor because the NBA made this their so-called way of getting teams to be "competitive". Please.

[Sixerscan]

There's been a salary floor for quite some time, it's just a little higher now. I'm sure it wasn't the NBA pushing for this; the players wanted more of a guarantee that the owners would spend money to balance out the tougher luxury tax rules. Damn unions wanting to get paid.

Larry Coon's FAQ on the new CBA

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA ... s-last-one

Minimum team salary

• 2005 CBA: Teams must spend at least 75 percent of the salary cap.

• 2011 CBA: Teams must spend at least 85 percent of the cap in 2011-12 and 2012-13, and at least 90 percent of the cap in later years of the agreement.

• Who benefits? The players. Although it was once rare for teams to be below the salary cap, it became more common in the latter years of the 2005 agreement as teams struggled to cope with financial markets. For example, the Sacramento Kings traded for Marquis Daniels at the 2011 trade deadline because their payroll was below the 75 percent minimum. By raising the salary floor, teams are required to spend more money on player salaries.

The higher salary floor could also affect teams' amnesty decisions. Teams might decide to hang on to high-salaried players rather than amnesty them in order to meet the new minimum team salary requirements.

[76ciology]

Well they're not gonna cut Brand and then not sign anyone. If there isn't anyone worth signing then they would probably just have Elton stick around another year.

But as far as the question above goes, the salary floor is still something like $15 million below the salary cap so it would be pretty easy to reach it just by filling out the roster.

Or we can use our cap space to absorb contracts.

But yeah, we won't use the amnesty on EB42 if we won't be able to use that money into something useful.

[P2K]

There's been a salary floor for quite some time, it's just a little higher now. I'm sure it wasn't the NBA pushing for this; the players wanted more of a guarantee that the owners would spend money to balance out the tougher luxury tax rules. Damn unions wanting to get paid.

Larry Coon's FAQ on the new CBA

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA ... s-last-one

Minimum team salary

• 2005 CBA: Teams must spend at least 75 percent of the salary cap.

• 2011 CBA: Teams must spend at least 85 percent of the cap in 2011-12 and 2012-13, and at least 90 percent of the cap in later years of the agreement.

• Who benefits? The players. Although it was once rare for teams to be below the salary cap, it became more common in the latter years of the 2005 agreement as teams struggled to cope with financial markets. For example, the Sacramento Kings traded for Marquis Daniels at the 2011 trade deadline because their payroll was below the 75 percent minimum. By raising the salary floor, teams are required to spend more money on player salaries.

The higher salary floor could also affect teams' amnesty decisions. Teams might decide to hang on to high-salaried players rather than amnesty them in order to meet the new minimum team salary requirements.

75% doesn't sound much better, but it was. And after next season, it could be up to 90%??? Awful. How completely awful.

[Sixerscan]

may seem like a big deal but it really doesn't come up very often. The only teams under 90% this year were the Kings and the Raptors. The previous year (went it was still 75%) it was only the Kings under 90. The increases to 90% also coincide with the luxury taxes going up and revenue sharing increasing, so the two or three teams that might otherwise have lower salaries end up getting money to pay for it in other ways. And as previously said it's not like 1 year deals effect anyone's long term plans.

[SixersfutureGM]

maybe doesnt belong in this thread but is FA before or after the draft? i always forgot. Depending on what goes first, you can start to guess what the direction of this team might be.

[The Sixer Fixer]

maybe doesnt belong in this thread but is FA before or after the draft? i always forgot. Depending on what goes first, you can start to guess what the direction of this team might be.

It's after

Oh, but trades can happen before the draft.

[SixersfutureGM]

I knew trades can happen but it is a shame FA is not beforehand. What happens before and during the draft should dictate what direction we are going in FA. I would imagine deron williams would want iggy on the team and some other ways of upgrading the roster (howard being the big target).

I wonder if trading iggy for 7 then using that to get dwight could be enough to get dwight and dwill here. Wouldnt seem ideal bc id imagine if you are to get dwight and dwill, you want iggy on board too.

Not sure if anyone asked you yet sixers1976 but if making an offer for deron williams is an idea we are tossing around, is there anything about us trying to trade for dwight?

[eyeatoma]

Turner is not a bad defender and can get better. If you have Dwill, Holiday, Turner, Lavoy, and Dwight as your starting five, you are not going to miss Iggy...