SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[SixersfutureGM]

I just assume dwight and dwill would rather play with iggy then turner. In this dream world, I would imagine iggy would stay and turner would be traded in a package for dwight.

[HartfordWhalers]

There's been a salary floor for quite some time, it's just a little higher now. I'm sure it wasn't the NBA pushing for this; the players wanted more of a guarantee that the owners would spend money to balance out the tougher luxury tax rules. Damn unions wanting to get paid.

Larry Coon's FAQ on the new CBA

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA ... s-last-one

Minimum team salary

• 2005 CBA: Teams must spend at least 75 percent of the salary cap.

• 2011 CBA: Teams must spend at least 85 percent of the cap in 2011-12 and 2012-13, and at least 90 percent of the cap in later years of the agreement.

• Who benefits? The players. Although it was once rare for teams to be below the salary cap, it became more common in the latter years of the 2005 agreement as teams struggled to cope with financial markets. For example, the Sacramento Kings traded for Marquis Daniels at the 2011 trade deadline because their payroll was below the 75 percent minimum. By raising the salary floor, teams are required to spend more money on player salaries.

The higher salary floor could also affect teams' amnesty decisions. Teams might decide to hang on to high-salaried players rather than amnesty them in order to meet the new minimum team salary requirements.

75% doesn't sound much better, but it was. And after next season, it could be up to 90%??? Awful. How completely awful.

Couple of quick things:
That recap was from before the deal was finalized. I italicized the part about amnesty, because:

Amnestied players continue to count toward the minimum team payroll

So if we amnesty Brand, we could have a team payroll of ~35 million and be above that dreaded salary floor.

Second, its worth spelling out what happens if you are below the dreaded awful salary floor:
Your players get bonus checks, bringing the team's salary up to 90%.

Thats not exactly the worst thing in the world, and there isn't a great reason to avoid it for the sake of avoiding it. Now, if you are at a 45m payroll and are going to be spending an extra 7m, you might think about getting someone for the money.

[SparksFly87]

I just assume dwight and dwill would rather play with iggy then turner. In this dream world, I would imagine iggy would stay and turner would be traded in a package for dwight.

Amnesty Brand
sign Deron Williams

propose trade

Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner, Thaddues Young, Nikola VUcevic and Hawes s&t for Dwight Howard and Turkgulu.

Orlando builds around Ryan Anderson and this core of young talent.

Philly takes a chance on Dwight Howard , Deron Williams and Third Banana Andre Iguodala.
Resigned Lou Williams , Meeks and Lavoy Allen
add shooters and defenders.

[sixers hoops]

The Celtics are no good and the Sixers would have been out in round 1 again had Rose and Noah not gotten hurt. Don't let this fraudulent run delude your thinking.

This team needs a superstar(or two) and major changes.

Clear cap room, go after Deron Williams and start from there. He's a guy other players would want to play with, and with him you have the young pieces to trade for another top tier piece. Like Dwight Howard or a Bynum.

With that said, do I think that will happen? No, because great things like that never happen with this franchise, but the opportunity is there to rebuild this team into a contender, and trading for declining vets is not the way to do it.

You basically summed up my thoughts. Do I think we have a great chance at signing Deron? No. Would I make him our priority and put together all of our resources for a great sales pitch? Of course.

This league is clearly star driven, and having Deron and Iguodala gives us two All-Star, defensive building blocks. Along with our new ownership, we would become a much more attractive destination.

We wouldn't be there yet with the Heat (Lebron, Wade, Bosh), OKC (Durant, Westbrook, Harden), Chi (Rose, Deng, Noah), or the Spurs with Duncan and Parker. However, we would have two major building blocks and, more importantly, the roster to attain another.

Despite the likelihood, pursuing Deron would be my one priority.

[moefro44]

I know people have joked about it, but it really does seem so easy at this point. We have the young pieces (I think) that would interest Orlando in a trade. If you trade Jrue, ET, Thad, Vucevic and our 1st round pick this year and next, why wouldn't Orlando be interested? Especially after the post season Jrue had. The trade does in fact work salary wise. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=7xu6p3f

Then if we were able to get Dwight, I feel like Deron would want to come here as well and we would easily have the money to sign him once Brand is amnestied. Clearly they want to play together, that's no secret. And if we were to keep Iggy then they would both probably be more interested in coming here than if we didn't keep him.

We've seen other teams do things like this before in the past, so why can't we do it this offseason? The opportunity is staring us right in the face.

[Sixersftw]

I agree Sixershoops, Deron has to be the priority. There is one Franchise level talent in the market and we have to pursue him doggedly. This team has constantly failed to achieve step 1, get a franchise talent. Franchise level talent allows everything in this league.

If we had Deron in tow w/o losing any of our key players (sorry chevy) we are sitting pretty to make a sensible trade for a big man. We have to be smart, we can't gut our team ala New York just to get the 2nd star w/ no flexibility and no supporting team.

[eyeatoma]

Anyone got insider? There are some rumors of our options without brand...

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features ... 0528#25352

A recap of what insider says would be appreciated...

[sixers hoops]

I know people have joked about it, but it really does seem so easy at this point. We have the young pieces (I think) that would interest Orlando in a trade. If you trade Jrue, ET, Thad, Vucevic and our 1st round pick this year and next, why wouldn't Orlando be interested? Especially after the post season Jrue had.

I don't know if it seems easy. Assuming Orlando is going to take the best deal (in reality, Dwight's unwillingness to sign an extension with certain teams will limit offers), then I don't know if we would be their top choice. Evan's best accomplishment is being the #2 pick, Vuc couldn't get off the bench ahead of Lavoy, Thad makes a lot of guaranteed money for someone best suited coming off the bench, and our #1 pick will be mid-round. However, Jrue is a very good piece for any rebuilding team.

My point being, Orlando has to really like Evan, Thad, and Vuc or the package may not be as attractive as we think. It could be quantity over quality.

If the Lakers were interested in trading for Dwight without an extension, would they offer Bynum? Would Orlando prefer a young, All-Star big over our package?

Would a team like the Nets be willing to take Turkoglu off Orlando's hands and give them Brooke Lopez?

I don't know. In reality, due to Dwight turning this process into a circus, I don't know how many teams want to get involved.

Also, do we want to give up so much for him if he may bolt for Brooklyn anyway? Probably worth the risk.

[HartfordWhalers]

Anyone got insider? There are some rumors of our options without brand...

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features ... 0528#25352

A recap of what insider says would be appreciated...

Insider summarizes: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/28/sport ... .html?_r=1

[eyeatoma]

Anyone got insider? There are some rumors of our options without brand...

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features ... 0528#25352

A recap of what insider says would be appreciated...

Insider summarizes: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/28/sport ... .html?_r=1

Didn't really say who we would trade with though? Did insider not either?

[ProcessDoctor]

If we want to attract All-star players (Deron, Dwight) we have to already have all-star players. And that only includes Iguodala. If we want to make a splash, then we must keep him (similar to what Boston did by keeping Pierce and obtaining Ray Allen and Garnett). Here's my proposal:

1) June 28th draft BPA
2) Amnesty Brand
3) On the first day of free agency (July 1st) have Deron Williams contract offer and Dwight Howard trade offer ready (Turner, Young, Vucevic, 2013 1st and 2014 2nd). Let both agents know deals are in place.
4) Let Lou Williams walk
5) Re-sign Lavoy Allen, Sam Young, and Jodie Meeks
6) Sign Kirk Hinrich, Antwan Jamison, and Tony Battie to vet minimum contracts...fill out the rest of the roster with vets as well.

Williams/Hinrich/2012 2nd
Holiday/Meeks
Iguodala/Young
Allen/Jamison
Howard/2012 1st/Battie

[Kobblehead]

Do people on here even attempt to be realistic in their trade offers anymore?

Any offer to get Orlando seriously considering trading Dwight to us would have to include Jrue, Turner and our next 3 first round picks. And that's just to open a productive dialogue with them.

[SparksFly87]

Do people on here even attempt to be realistic in their trade offers anymore?

Any offer to get Orlando seriously considering trading Dwight to us would have to include at least Jrue, Turner and our next 3 first round picks.

This!

[The Sixer Fixer]

Anyone got insider? There are some rumors of our options without brand...

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features ... 0528#25352

A recap of what insider says would be appreciated...

Insider summarizes: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/28/sport ... .html?_r=1

Didn't really say who we would trade with though? Did insider not either?

No, there was nothing in there about trades. Only speculation on Brand and Lou with the amnesty and player options. Only speculation on who we might sign (Humphries?). Insider is usually just re-distributing the information/speculation for local reporters and well as those ESPN guys. I mean, I doubt the Sixers even know what they plan to do at this point so it's not like they can give us "inside" information. They can't talk about trade targets on other teams so any time you hear a player name (under contract) it's just someone in the media trying to read between the lines and figure out who they MIGHT be referring to.

[Kobblehead]

I still think our highest probability of getting better as this team is currently constructed would be an Iguodala for Gay swap with Memphis. As proven, Gay and Randolph can't seem to play together and both the Sixers and Memphis would get better individually with this swap.

[Sixersftw]

Do people on here even attempt to be realistic in their trade offers anymore?

Any offer to get Orlando seriously considering trading Dwight to us would have to include at least Jrue, Turner and our next 3 first round picks.

Disgruntled stars don't get giant hauls though. I can't think of the CP3 trade as getting back real value. Other than that who did? Not shaq, not carmelo, not A.I., not Williams, not KG. Its usually 1 good but flawed prospect, decent filler, and a number of picks.

[Kobblehead]

It's irrelevant that Dwight is disgruntled because he put all the leverage back in Orlando's hand when he signed the opt-in clause. Also, none of those guys you mentioned was a 26 year old undisputed best center in basketball with no (major) injuries or weight problems.

[76ciology]

I still think our highest probability of getting better as this team is currently constructed would be an Iguodala for Gay swap with Memphis. As proven, Gay and Randolph can't seem to play together and both the Sixers and Memphis would get better individually with this swap.

If that's the case, I guess the grizz would choose Gay over Randolph.

I don't think the Grizzlies are going to trade Gay for Iguodala. Talentwise, Gay is better. Team needs, I don't see Iguodala being a good fit with their team.

[Sixersftw]

Age wise there really isn't anything analogous but Shaq was the clear best center w/ less pressing injury problems but more weight problems (don't think this is relevant). Kg was probably still the 2nd best pf to the greatest pf of all time when traded (in a league with 1.5 centers). all the other players save Melo are dominant at their position

The leverage isn't swayed in either parties favor. The Magic now have the offseason to get rid of him but Dwight just has to say, he won't resign there, wherever that is, and he is going to be unhappy there to put a lot of teams off.

[BullRosed]

We need a strong players at the 3 to stop LeBron as long as he is in MIami. Miami is this teams raodblock and i think the eastern champinship will be through MIami for the next couple of years. Turner, Jrue, Artest, Gasol, and Allen. Is a great defensive team. Brand and Vucevic can play backup to this team.

This team can also trade Brands last year also for another good player a team might want to unload. This teams options are limitless.

i find it amazing how hard headed "sixer" fans are.

It's amazing that you think your team is good enough to win the NBA final's, i bet you think Boston beating you guys was a fluke and got lucky.

You do realize that your team was the 8th seed correct? you do realize that your team was 4 games over .500 correct?

you do realize that the only reason your team made it to the second round of the playoffs was because of the following:

Rose (Out)
Noah (Out)
Deng (Injured)

your "nba final's potential team" was playing against our bench players all series, all of you "fans" do realize this?

i find it amazing with rose we spanked you guys by 19 point's then all of your fan's get hard because the beat a team with bench players?

how can you guys be proud of that, me as a bull's fan i knew our chances were done, so going to the 2nd round meant nothing, because i was expecting a 7th title.

the ignorance of this fan base, is by far the most hard headed i have ever witnessed.

Miami is your only roadblock? lol realize that you played a ancient Boston team, and you pretty much played the Bulls Bench, and not that i care, but if it wasnt for C.J Watson to make that moronic pass to a 48 percent free throw shooter, it could of went to 7 games.

by all mean's not sour or anything cause of the loss, i was sour when derrick went down, but i just find it the ignorance amazing.

i was at game 6 in Philadelphia, everyone making fun of Rose and Noah and throwing it in my face that the Sixer's Have won?

snap back into reality the only reason you made it to the 2nd round, was for what i stated above, i just found it very funny of the "Miami is your only roadblock"

you do realize that you were 4 games over .500? and the 8th seed

do you guys just ignore fact's?