Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition)

[meatwad4343]

why would we need wallace? unless you want to flip him. if dwight is gone we're going to be a lottery team on the rebuild, a 31 year old wallace won't really do us any good. not to mention he'll probably be unhappy here on a losing team.

At least he is an expiring after next season, Hedo and Duhon aren't.

we should be able to get hedo or duhon out with dwight but not both. i love gerald wallace but i don't think we could get him and lopez both. and i would prefer lopez because he is young enough to be in a rebuild and would have great value around the league if we wanted to move him. then again, the nets could be desperate enough. dwight, hedo, duhon for #1, lopez, brooks, wallace. lol.

[Darth Magic]

Am looking at our roster and for the first time i realize how absolutely bloated these contracts are. It's just chocked full with middling players on these fat contracts that make no room for super star players.

[meatwad4343]

Am looking at our roster and for the first time i realize how absolutely bloated these contracts are. It's just chocked full with middling players on these fat contracts that make no room for super star players.

yeah its amazing. the only people on this roster that played up to their deals this season was dwight, ryan and jj. everyone else is terrible.

[meatwad4343]

if we can get dwight to stay i wonder if anyone would be interested in a sign and trade of ryan, jj and a pick for tyreke evans? i think a change of scenery would do him good and he could be the scorer on the perimiter we need.

[trebone]

Am looking at our roster and for the first time i realize how absolutely bloated these contracts are. It's just chocked full with middling players on these fat contracts that make no room for super star players.

yeah its amazing. the only people on this roster that played up to their deals this season was dwight, ryan and jj. everyone else is terrible.

more than terrible, they were turrible!

[MoMM]

Am looking at our roster and for the first time i realize how absolutely bloated these contracts are. It's just chocked full with middling players on these fat contracts that make no room for super star players.

yeah its amazing. the only people on this roster that played up to their deals this season was dwight, ryan and jj. everyone else is terrible.

more than terrible, they were turrible!

Nelson had a good second part of the season, IMO.

In terms of producing by contract, i wouldnt say Clark and Liggins were that bad too.

Now let me ask something... why people value JJ so much?
JJ: 11.6, 2.3, 2.5 in 27.2 at $6,750,000.
Jrich: 11.6, 3.6, 2.0 in 29.5 $5,395,000 (he also steals and blocks more than JJ).

I know Jrich plays bad D, but JJ isnt a premier defender neither, far from this, btw.

[NEM]

if nets get a top 3 pick, we STILL cant trade with them, at least if we are wanting lopez, because he is a FA. so we would have to wait until he re-signs (probably 50/4 because it would be a sign and trade and i think thats MAX for a player of his caliber i.e all star appearances and other criteria outlined by the new CBA), then they would have to add crash (who hopefully wouldn't have opted out, davis (who they would have drafted for us), and brooks for dwight, hedo, and q-rich... it will be quite difficult to move dwight to brooklyn, as a lot of pieces have to fall into place for that to happen...

[NEM]

Nelson had a good second part of the season, IMO.

In terms of producing by contract, i wouldnt say Clark and Liggins were that bad too.

Now let me ask something... why people value JJ so much?
JJ: 11.6, 2.3, 2.5 in 27.2 at $6,750,000.
Jrich: 11.6, 3.6, 2.0 in 29.5 $5,395,000 (he also steals and blocks more than JJ).

higher bball IQ, he's more of a glue guy, better shooter, better overall player (shooter, defender, ball handler), and he's also younger... HOWEVER, he is not worth nearly 7 million per...

[rcklsscognition]

JJ and JRich are bench players and would only be starters on a team with a superstar SF or PG. We're not that team, so we've got 3 backup SGs (JJ, JRich, Liggins) eating up about 13 million in cap space.

[mhectorgato]

Nelson had a good second part of the season, IMO.

In terms of producing by contract, i wouldnt say Clark and Liggins were that bad too.

Now let me ask something... why people value JJ so much?
JJ: 11.6, 2.3, 2.5 in 27.2 at $6,750,000.
Jrich: 11.6, 3.6, 2.0 in 29.5 $5,395,000 (he also steals and blocks more than JJ).

higher bball IQ, he's more of a glue guy, better shooter, better overall player (shooter, defender, ball handler), and he's also younger... HOWEVER, he is not worth nearly 7 million per...

Agree completely (and add in better playmaker)... except for the not worth 7.

I would even say he's got the highest BBall IQ on the team.

[eyriq]

My new style. I'm testing to see how much influence I have on you sheep.

You purposefully held back Ryno's scoring so that Wafer would hold the higher point total, didn't you?!!!

....

I have a long history of ....

OT, but what's with the quotes on the bottom of the post? kinda makes it hard to know who you're replying to.

[mhectorgato]

My new style. I'm testing to see how much influence I have on you sheep.

OT, but what's with the quotes on the bottom of the post? kinda makes it hard to know who you're replying to.

[OrlChamps2030]

My opinion of Ryan Anderson as #2 or #3 option:

He is not a true "top 3 option". Being a #2 or #3 means you can put the ball on the floor, score from the post, be a playmaker, or score from the triple threat.

Ryan Anderson does not fit any of the criteria above. I wholehearted agree that he outproduced most #4's/roleplayers in the league. But that was simply him hitting three's, not creating his own shot.

His production would lead you to think that he could be a top option, however his offensive arsenal is too limited to be relied upon. He has shown that when the game slows down in the playoffs, when Dwight is out, and when the three's aren't falling, that he does not have any offense to speak of. And his defense definitely does not make up for his lack of offense in these situations.

Trade him while his value is what it is. Too bad we didn't trade him at the deadline, his stock took a hit following his Brian Cook esque playoff performance. But we can still package him with a 1st and/or JJ for a solid piece.

[MoMM]

I also think that JJ is a better player than Jrich, but my point is, JJ earns more than Jrich and is just a little bit better than him, but people complain a lot about Jrich and treat JJ like an all-star.

JJ doesnt worth 7M a year, but at least next season he will make only 6.2M. He is a MLE player at maximum, but we had to overpay him because Otis let him explore the open market and Bulls offered a huge deal on him.

[mhectorgato]

I also think that JJ is a better player than Jrich, but my point is, JJ earns more than Jrich and is just a little bit better than him, but people complain a lot about Jrich and treat JJ like an all-star.

JJ doesnt worth 7M a year, but at least next season he will make only 6.2M. He is a MLE player at maximum, but we had to overpay him because Otis let him explore the open market and Bulls offered a huge deal on him.

Just "a bit" better? I disagree.

JJ is an important piece to the team, imo. He's a guy you can count on to come in and make positive contributions and do anything "stupid".

I wouldn't say he's a core of the team, but I would hate to see him walk.

Another difference is that JJ is getting better. While JJ is a 3pt specialist, he's greatly expanded his game.

With JRich, we've seen that he needs a system to excel in. And he's no spring chicken anymore.

[eyriq]

My new style. I'm testing to see how much influence I have on you sheep.

OT, but what's with the quotes on the bottom of the post? kinda makes it hard to know who you're replying to.

The real motivation was making it easier to find my past posts. When looking through posts it doesn't show the quote tags and it gets confusing, so I figured I'd avoid the confusion and post my response above the quote! Alas, it appears to cause more confusion than avoided, and being as I'm a humble and agreeable fella I'll revert to the norm.

[mhectorgato]

The real motivation was making it easier to find my past posts. When looking through posts it doesn't show the quote tags and it gets confusing, so I figured I'd avoid the confusion and post my response above the quote! Alas, it appears to cause more confusion than avoided, and being as I'm a humble and agreeable fella I'll revert to the norm.

No need to bow to social pressure -- do your own thang.

[Blue_and_Whte]

My opinion of Ryan Anderson as #2 or #3 option:

He is not a true "top 3 option". Being a #2 or #3 means you can put the ball on the floor, score from the post, be a playmaker, or score from the triple threat.

Ryan Anderson does not fit any of the criteria above. I wholehearted agree that he outproduced most #4's/roleplayers in the league. But that was simply him hitting three's, not creating his own shot.

His production would lead you to think that he could be a top option, however his offensive arsenal is too limited to be relied upon. He has shown that when the game slows down in the playoffs, when Dwight is out, and when the three's aren't falling, that he does not have any offense to speak of. And his defense definitely does not make up for his lack of offense in these situations.

Trade him while his value is what it is. Too bad we didn't trade him at the deadline, his stock took a hit following his Brian Cook esque playoff performance. But we can still package him with a 1st and/or JJ for a solid piece.

if you could search posts you would find about 30 of mine referencing the game slowing down and Ryan being rendered in effective because of his lack of versatility on offense. Those were usually followed by a graph of advanced stats in an attempt to discredit my opinion of Ryan....despite the fact that I was dead on about him being useless in the playoffs when the game slows down and good defensive teams key in on him....and what did Indiana do? They had a guy in his shirt and he couldn't do a damn thing about it....+1 glad I'm not the only one.

[eyriq]

Basic stats should tell that you're dead wrong. Advanced stats should deliver the knock out punch. You just have quite the chin.

My opinion of Ryan Anderson as #2 or #3 option:

He is not a true "top 3 option". Being a #2 or #3 means you can put the ball on the floor, score from the post, be a playmaker, or score from the triple threat.

Ryan Anderson does not fit any of the criteria above. I wholehearted agree that he outproduced most #4's/roleplayers in the league. But that was simply him hitting three's, not creating his own shot.

His production would lead you to think that he could be a top option, however his offensive arsenal is too limited to be relied upon. He has shown that when the game slows down in the playoffs, when Dwight is out, and when the three's aren't falling, that he does not have any offense to speak of. And his defense definitely does not make up for his lack of offense in these situations.

Trade him while his value is what it is. Too bad we didn't trade him at the deadline, his stock took a hit following his Brian Cook esque playoff performance. But we can still package him with a 1st and/or JJ for a solid piece.

if you could search posts you would find about 30 of mine referencing the game slowing down and Ryan being rendered in effective because of his lack of versatility on offense. Those were usually followed by a graph of advanced stats in an attempt to discredit my opinion of Ryan....despite the fact that I was dead on about him being useless in the playoffs when the game slows down and good defensive teams key in on him....and what did Indiana do? They had a guy in his shirt and he couldn't do a damn thing about it....+1 glad I'm not the only one.

[rcklsscognition]

Clips are staying with Del Negro.

Howard Beck ‏@HowardBeckNYT

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