Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition)

OrlandO · Post #1221 » by **OrlandO** » Wed May 30, 2012 4:28 pm

magic04life wrote:Now that one of the best NBA Insiders has officially said that Dwight is gone, let's start thinking about who we can realistically get in a trade......

His "league sources" also said in March that dwight would either be traded before the deadline or leave for the Nets in free agency this summer... no mention of waiving his option. :wink:

magic04life · Post #1222 » by **magic04life** » Wed May 30, 2012 4:30 pm

magic111 wrote:
magic04life wrote:Hey Dwight,

What ever happened to the "Loyalty" you had for Orlando and how you could never leave the city that you "Lvoed so much"?

The guy is a liar and a fraud. He has become the laughingstock of the league. He has become a bigger jerk than LeBron, and that's saying something.

Yeah that article pissed me off, if it is true? The guy talks about LOYALY and how he loves ORL etc. etc.. and NOW he regrets his opt in??? This guys is a fraud if he leaves and WILL BE THE MOST HATED MAGIC EVER!!!! Shaq never put us thru this? By fare, Dwight will be the MOST HATED...hands down. After all the love we showed him OMG

Oh definately. He would be 10x more hated than Shaq. Dwight has done us worse than LeBron did Cleveland. That's for sure.

arkknight1988 · Post #1223 » by **arkknight1988** » Wed May 30, 2012 4:30 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:Anyone see this?

The Orlando Magic are working out Mike Scott, Andrew Nicholson, William Buford, Darrion Pellum, Jeff Taylor, and Moe Harkless today.

i like harkless and taylor, not sure about the other guys.

arkknight1988 · Post #1224 » by **arkknight1988** » Wed May 30, 2012 4:33 pm

darthcheech2000 wrote:WHY DO ALL OF YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ!?!

for the love of god stop it, just stop it! you've turned on your best player because of sources, sources that said dwight was gone already and they were wrong!

Almost all of us could understand why dwight would want to leave... but, changes are being made that could alter this franchise for the better. A more capable GM and possibly a better head coach are on their way. Dwight loves this city... but he's got good reasons to not love this team. They are trying to show him why he needs to stay.

LET THE OFF SEASON HAPPEN! and try not to hate a guy who has done nothing but pour his heart and soul into this city.

agreed. people around here sit on the edge ready to jump at the slightest bit of doubt. we have dwight under contract another season while deron is a free agent, who should be panicking here?

Rick Rolled · Post #1225 » by **Rick Rolled** » Wed May 30, 2012 4:36 pm

Really hoping that Portland hires Bower ASAP so I can stop dreading the inevitable alternative.

I really want a fresh face at GM.

Nemesis21 · Post #1226 » by **Nemesis21** » Wed May 30, 2012 4:41 pm

darthcheech2000 wrote:WHY DO ALL OF YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ!?!

for the love of god stop it, just stop it! you've turned on your best player because of sources, sources that said dwight was gone already and they were wrong!

Almost all of us could understand why dwight would want to leave... but, changes are being made that could alter this franchise for the better. A more capable GM and possibly a better head coach are on their way. Dwight loves this city... but he's got good reasons to not love this team. They are trying to show him why he needs to stay.

LET THE OFF SEASON HAPPEN! and try not to hate a guy who has done nothing but pour his heart and soul into this city.

chunnyboy · Post #1227 » by **chunnyboy** » Wed May 30, 2012 4:45 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:Anyone see this?

The Orlando Magic are working out Mike Scott, Andrew Nicholson, William Buford, Darrion Pellum, Jeff Taylor, and Moe Harkless today.

where are our draft experts to speak about this?

Of those names - the only one worth a first round draft pick is Moe Harkless - a freshman SF out of St. John's - great frame for a NBA SF - 6'8"/205 - he's fluid and has some open court game- he' also displays good energy most of the time and has been known to have a "scrappy" side to his game - all pluses i would think. i've seen harkless play in person and he can disappear at times and his jump shot isn't quit there yet, but given his age and his reported work ethic, he's worthy of the 19 pick. i would say his ceiling is gerald wallace with a floor of quincey pondexter

jeff taylor is okay too but he's maxed out imo - i don't see how he gets much better considering that he's 23 or 24 years old already - and is not nearly the athlete harkless could be - wouldn't be a terrible pick at #19, but harkless i assume is the first name on the board - but taylor could turn into a SF version of arron afflalo though i would say the chances of that are about 20-25%

i would imagine they're also potentially looking at andrew nicholson as a first round pick but that's a trap - he's got an okay offensive skillset, but is still way too undersized to play his type of game in the league.

i'm gonna go ahead and trust that all the other names are potential second round guys because a couple of those guys would be lucky to get drafted

magic111 · Post #1228 » by **magic111** » Wed May 30, 2012 4:54 pm

YES im pissed with all these rumors, but Magic fans REMEMBER. Everyone has an AGENDA. I would not be surprised if 12s agent or someone in his camp is putting this stuff out, just to get rumors going. REMEMBER THAT!!! People in his camp want him out, does not mean he does. JUST REMEMBER THAT.

rcklsscognition · Post #1229 » by **rcklsscognition** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:03 pm

Of the 5 or 6 guys I mentioned the Magic were working out, they went in reverse order of their projected draft position. Except for Harkless (19th pick) and Taylor (26th), the other guys were late 2nd round projections.

I don't like that we're looking for more PFs, even in the 2nd round, as it doesn't put a lot of confidence early in Harper. He don't need 4 PFs. It's still early though, and the more information we have the better I guess.

Here is some stuff on Taylor and Harkless:

Taylor: Taylor's rising draft stock is attributable to one development in particular: the discovery of a jump shot. Taylor has knocked down a solid 35% of the 113 3-pointers he's taken as a junior, leaving plenty of room for optimism when analyzing his excellent shooting mechanics.

Taylor has always been one of the most athletic players in college basketball. He's spectacular in transition, a product of his excellent speed in the open floor and his highlight reel-caliber explosiveness. He has great size at 6-7 and an outstanding frame, showing the strength and toughness to finish through contact in difficult situations.

He still lacks polish offensively—his touch is just average and his overall scoring instincts leave something to be desired, particularly as a shot-creator. Taylor has a rare blend of prototypical physical tools, excellent toughness and a very good feel for the game. He shows all the characteristics the NBA looks for in a complimentary wing player (a la Raja Bell or Thabo Sefolosha), but he is a far more explosive.

Harkless:

He is a very good athlete as well, looking fluid and explosive around the basket, and showing a solid first step and excellent quickness in transition. Furthermore, Harkless is a scrappy player, with solid energy and aggressiveness, which allows him to capitalize on his athletic potential. Not a prolific shot-creator, Harkless gets a good amount of production moving off the ball intelligently in St. John's half-court offense. Harkless' perimeter shooting is very raw at this stage and may be the main thing hampering him from making a full transition to the small forward position at this time. He is making just 24% of his nearly three 3-point attempts per game on the season, and 66% of his foul shots. On film, inconsistent shooting mechanics and release points are definitely a concern, as Harkless rarely shoots the ball the same way twice. Not a great ball handler. Could be viewed by some as a Trevor Ariza-type prospect in the late first or early second round.

ChildishGambino · Post #1230 » by **ChildishGambino** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:05 pm

magic111 wrote:YES im pissed with all these rumors, but Magic fans REMEMBER. Everyone has an AGENDA. I would not be surprised if 12s agent or someone in his camp is putting this stuff out, just to get rumors going. REMEMBER THAT!!! People in his camp want him out, does not mean he does. JUST REMEMBER THAT.

yeah but at the same time....he's the boss....with one word he can stop all that ish...but chooses not too....of course assuming that it is his camp causing this circus.....

Post #1231 » by **eyriq** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:06 pm

The organization's preference is to get the best possible trade package for him and start retooling the franchise.

Several of the potential GM candidates in Orlando have already been devising trade scenarios for Howard and plan to propose those ideas to Orlando president Alex Martins in the interview process.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nets- ... DUGtu8vLYF

rcklsscognition · Post #1232 » by **rcklsscognition** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:09 pm

eyriq wrote:
The organization's preference is to get the best possible trade package for him and start retooling the franchise.

Several of the potential GM candidates in Orlando have already been devising trade scenarios for Howard and plan to propose those ideas to Orlando president Alex Martins in the interview process.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nets- ... DUGtu8vLYF

The next story about the Magic GM will involve Alex Martins, wine, and a traditional game of Orlando paddle. It's the only way to choose a competent GM.

OrlChamps2030 · Post #1233 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:09 pm

So the new GM could possibly be decided upon by the quality of their trade scenario for Dwight Howard...

Interesting...But I like it...

ChildishGambino · Post #1234 » by **ChildishGambino** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:11 pm

i think the Nets are going to get a top 3 pick courtesy of the NBA coincidence machine.....I would love Davis but Drummond wouldn't be bad either.....what do you guys think about Drummond? He is compared to Dwight....He himself idolizes and patterns his game after Dwight....even going as far as wearing the same number.....If the NBA is as rigged as people think then i would expect the Nets getting a top 3 pick....i mean Cleveland getting the First pick after Lebron left them?....what a coincidence.....

rcklsscognition · Post #1235 » by **rcklsscognition** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:12 pm

My wish is we would finally take this as fact and just move on instead of spending the next month discussing divergent ideas for our franchise based on keep Dwight/trade Dwight.

That'll never happen.

Phantom418 · Post #1236 » by **Phantom418** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:13 pm

eyriq wrote:
The organization's preference is to get the best possible trade package for him and start retooling the franchise.

Several of the potential GM candidates in Orlando have already been devising trade scenarios for Howard and plan to propose those ideas to Orlando president Alex Martins in the interview process.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nets- ... DUGtu8vLYF

After reading this and watching that gif I heard Cersei's voice saying "Enjoy."

The life of a Magic fan.

blue and white · Post #1237 » by **blue and white** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:14 pm

eyriq wrote:
The organization's preference is to get the best possible trade package for him and start retooling the franchise.

Several of the potential GM candidates in Orlando have already been devising trade scenarios for Howard and plan to propose those ideas to Orlando president Alex Martins in the interview process.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nets- ... DUGtu8vLYF

Is this gif from the hatfields and mccoys series on history?

ChildishGambino · Post #1238 » by **ChildishGambino** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:14 pm

I think Cersei's pretty hot for an older lady....

Hotshot Hower · Post #1239 » by **Hotshot Hower** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:16 pm

eyriq wrote:
The organization's preference is to get the best possible trade package for him and start retooling the franchise.

Several of the potential GM candidates in Orlando have already been devising trade scenarios for Howard and plan to propose those ideas to Orlando president Alex Martins in the interview process.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nets- ... DUGtu8vLYF

Well, when it comes to being creative trade-wise Pritchard would be our man. I like Weaver because of the upside but Pritchard has the experience. Pritchard > Bower any day of the week.

rcklsscognition · Post #1240 » by **rcklsscognition** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:17 pm

ChildishGambino wrote:i think the Nets are going to get a top 3 pick courtesy of the NBA coincidence machine.....I would love Davis but Drummond wouldn't be bad either.....what do you guys think about Drummond? He is compared to Dwight....He himself idolizes and patterns his game after Dwight....even going as far as wearing the same number.....If the NBA is as rigged as people think then i would expect the Nets getting a top 3 pick....i mean Cleveland getting the First pick after Lebron left them?....what a coincidence.....

I don't want our next franchise player to be a center, or a PF. It's got to be a guard or SF. It's hard to look down on a prospect as great as Davis, but I can do it. In fact, if the Nets got the 1st pick and traded it to Orlando, I'd trade it to whoever got the 2nd or 3rd pick and try to get even more out of the trade.