SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

Kobblehead · Post #221 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:35 am

Lou might like to score the basket as much as possible, but he's never been as bad as either of those two.

Semaj · Post #222 » by **Semaj** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:45 am

Nick Young is a certified black hole. Do not want.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #223 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:50 am

SparksFly87 wrote:
Westbrook36 wrote:That doesn't mean you need to offer more than it would take to get him. That is what the job of a GM is. To get the best deal possible. Not give up the most they could to make sure a deal goes through.

What's the best deal possible then? Acquiring the best center in the league and locking him up long term is the goal period.

I don't know the best deal possible, but I do know that you don't start negotiations with the maximum offer. That is negotiating 101.

Post #224 » by **Sixerscan** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:51 am

Ok well we aren't negotiating here we're just shooting the ****. If they said "take this offer or we're holding onto him" would you do it?

LongLiveHinkie · Post #225 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:56 am

I'd have to think about that, but my point was I don't think it will take that. I don't think it will take close to an offer of that caliber. Some of the offers I was reading this season that Orlando wanted were a total joke.

I'm not even a Dwight Howard fan. In fact, I can't stand the guy, but I would take him for the good of the franchise without having to trade away almost the entire roster. Because I personally think he is an overrated player.

Edit: Ok after thinking about it, no, I wouldn't do that deal with Orlando. It's just too much. They still need to fill out the roster and giving up those picks on top of that many players would hurt the ability to fill out depth now and in the future with picks as well.

KKell2507 · Post #226 » by **KKell2507** » Wed May 30, 2012 4:01 am

dbodner wrote:Correct.

Ok you guys are right, just checked it out myself. Thanks for clarification. Learn something new everday.

sixersreal · Post #227 » by **sixersreal** » Wed May 30, 2012 9:42 am

I think the priorites have to be set in this way:
1) Let Hawes and Williams walk, amnesty Brand. Keep Allen.
2) Try to get D12/Bynum/Hibbert as a big guy plus D-Will as a guard. But really I don't believe we can get one of those players, i would really like it tho, but honestly I just don't think that Indiana would let Hibbert go, and that any of these team would like the package of Thad Turner (althought i really like him) Vuc and picks for their franchise big.
3) If we fail to sign one of those, don't be afraid to do trades and sign players. I really like Evan Turner, really love the kid, but if we are going to have a chance on Gordon, go for him. He is same age as Turner, 23, but fits DC system more, Doug would use him much better then Turner. He was back after his injury and played 7 games in april (NO went 5-2 in them by the way) and put 20PPG. Him and Jrue in the back would be great. If we can take him, go for Al Jefferson, he is the best big avaliable after Hibbert/D12/Bynum. I just think McGee is too dumb even for DC. Jefferson this season per 36minutes: 20.3 PPG, 10.1 RPG, 1.8 BLK. Trade Thad and Turner for him, maybe pick if ness. And as Sixersfan mentioned trade Iggy for resigned Batum and Matthews. Batum can defend and is athletic and young. Matthews in a great SG off the bench to score, and a nice defender. And we will have enought money to sign Kris Humphries for like 9 mil. Sign Sam Young and Meeks for cheap, and vet PG like Hinrich for 2.5 exeption.

C - Jefferson(15)/Vuc(1.5)
PF - Humphries(9)/Allen(1.5)
SF - Batum(7)/Young(1.5)
SG - Gordon(13)/Matthews(6)
PG - Jrue(3)/Hinrich(2.5)

58.5mil + 2.5mil Hinrich.
That is still a young (Jefferson and Humphries are the oldest in the starting5, and they are both 26), athletic team. But now we have a real scorer (Gordon), post up big (Al), and finally rebounding (Al+ Kris). Defensive wings in Jrue, Batum, Matthews. There are no bad contracts exept Gordon maybe. Jefferson exp. I know thats a lot of new faces in one summer, but this team is much better then the one we have now, and can really compete with all the East teams. I think DC can make them all play great together.

ankle420breaker · Post #228 » by **ankle420breaker** » Wed May 30, 2012 1:37 pm

I like that we are at least taking a shot at D-Will. When you are a young team and you make it to game 7 in the second round, you tend to get noticed. I doubt that it influences Deron's decision, but stranger things have happened. New ownership is doing the right thing by involving Dr J in the recruitment process. Truly excited to see how they do. Crucial off-season.

Humphries isn't a bad safety net option, depending on how things unfold. That said, he's not the answer either. If I had it my way, I'd package Lou Will, Thad, and our pick this year if it can get us a true big man that can grow with this team. A solid building block that makes us better. I'd also keep Iguodala, Jrue, and Turner in-tact. I honestly feel we have enough young pieces and cap flexibility to keep that core and surround them with better talent.

steveb21 · Post #229 » by **steveb21** » Wed May 30, 2012 1:51 pm

Please, I don't want any part of DWill on this team. Sure he's talented but he drove Jerry Sloan into retirement, f*cked Utah with his "I'm not signing here" attitude and now is doing the same to NJ after they gave up a lot to get him. I can't see him meshing with Collins anyway.

KrazySixersD · Post #230 » by **KrazySixersD** » Wed May 30, 2012 2:15 pm

Westbrook36 wrote:I'd have to think about that, but my point was I don't think it will take that. I don't think it will take close to an offer of that caliber. Some of the offers I was reading this season that Orlando wanted were a total joke.

I'm not even a Dwight Howard fan. In fact, I can't stand the guy, but I would take him for the good of the franchise without having to trade away almost the entire roster. Because I personally think he is an overrated player.

Edit: Ok after thinking about it, no, I wouldn't do that deal with Orlando. It's just too much. They still need to fill out the roster and giving up those picks on top of that many players would hurt the ability to fill out depth now and in the future with picks as well.

i wouldnt take howard if you paid me... dude is a career cancerous loser whose stats are completely irrelevant because they are at the expense of the team on the offensive end.

now if it came with deron williams then thats different simply because i would love deron williams and williams would probably keep howard in check..

BUT, all of this has a ZERO PERCENT CHANCE OF HAPPENING and i wish we would stop talking about it

Kobblehead · Post #231 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:26 pm

steveb21 wrote:Please, I don't want any part of DWill on this team. Sure he's talented but he drove Jerry Sloan into retirement, f*cked Utah with his "I'm not signing here" attitude and now is doing the same to NJ after they gave up a lot to get him. I can't see him meshing with Collins anyway.

Or maybe Sloan has been senile for the past 4 years. C'mon son. Deron Williams is literally one of the classiest and least high maintenance stars in this league. He's like the guard version of Tim Duncan.

steveb21 · Post #232 » by **steveb21** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:56 pm

Or maybe Sloan has been senile for the past 4 years. C'mon son. Deron Williams is literally one of the classiest and least high maintenance stars in this league. He's like the guard version of Tim Duncan.

I guess you and I have different definitions of the word "class". You don't see Tim Duncan saying he's not resigning unless the Spurs can get Howard, do you? I never was a fan od DWill...and never will be. We have an emerging young PG in Jrue. Why not let him continue to develop?

Typeical · Post #233 » by **Typeical** » Wed May 30, 2012 4:25 pm

@ SixerFan1976
Do you have any tidbits on what the sixers coaches want the young players to work on this Offseason? I already heard that Collins want E.T to loose some weight or get in better shape and he wants Thad to put on muscle. What about the other guys like Jrue, Meeks and Vucevic?

Kobblehead · Post #234 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed May 30, 2012 4:45 pm

steveb21 wrote:
Or maybe Sloan has been senile for the past 4 years. C'mon son. Deron Williams is literally one of the classiest and least high maintenance stars in this league. He's like the guard version of Tim Duncan.

I guess you and I have different definitions of the word "class". You don't see Tim Duncan saying he's not resigning unless the Spurs can get Howard, do you? I never was a fan od DWill...and never will be. We have an emerging young PG in Jrue. Why not let him continue to develop?

So you're jumping to conclusions after once instance where he wanted to call a shot after 5 years of being a model employee of the Utah Jazz?

76ersfan18 · Post #235 » by **76ersfan18** » Wed May 30, 2012 4:53 pm

SF1976,

Do you know if the sixers are interested in Ersan Ilyasova? If they amnesty Elton Brand I think he would be a good replacement paired up with an athletic center. Thanks.

steveb21 · Post #236 » by **steveb21** » Wed May 30, 2012 4:54 pm

So you're jumping to conclusions after once instance where he wanted to call a shot after 5 years of being a model employee of the Utah Jazz?

Once instance with the Utah Jazz...and that it continued with the Nets. Isn't that enough? I wouldn't want that anywhere near our team.

And besides, how do you make the connection between "model employee' and demanding a trade because he won't resign? That's laughable.

Sandalf42 · Post #237 » by **Sandalf42** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:13 pm

steveb21 wrote:
So you're jumping to conclusions after once instance where he wanted to call a shot after 5 years of being a model employee of the Utah Jazz?

Once instance with the Utah Jazz...and that it continued with the Nets. Isn't that enough? I wouldn't want that anywhere near our team.

And besides, how do you make the connection between "model employee' and demanding a trade because he won't resign? That's laughable.

What's laughable is that you think deron Williams is a head case/diva because the guy was honest with his FO about his plans. He's more than earned the right to test free agency. and when the FO asked him what it would take to keep him, he simply said I want to test the market. He Didn't "demand a trade" or "run Sloan outta town". The jazz chose to trade him and try to get at least sumthing for him.

As for the nets, is anyone surprised he doesn't want to go back there?? The nets were dumb to trade for him in the first place. They have no one other than him, and they struck out on howard. Why should he have to sign with the nets?

Deron has handled himself as well as you could hope with his situation. And now he gets to choose where he goes. And if he wants to come here, idc if jrue is here, YOU MAKE THAT MOVE. He's a top 3 pg in the league. Either holiday will learn to play with him or we'll trade him. But having deron would b a godsend.

The Sixer Fixer · Post #238 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:16 pm

If the guy is still doing his "job" to the best of his ability, nothing wrong with him coming out and saying he can't commit to signing a new deal with his current team. What's wrong with the guy wanting to go somewhere else? It was freaking Utah he was playing in...not exactly a hot bed for FA's.

I think it's better to say "I'm not going to re-sign here" if he knows he will eventually go somewhere else. At least he's giving his current team a chance to get something back in return for him before he walks for nothing as a FA.

Think about your job....it would be like them coming to you and saying "we want you to sign an agreement, that you won't leave here in the next 5 years". You wouldn't want that would you...? People should have some control over where they get their paycheck from. Free agency is something that NBA guys rarely get to experience...a chance to go where they want to play...with guys they think they fit well with. How can you fault a guy for wanting that? I mean, sure it would be great if everyone was like Durant and Love and don't mind playing in small markets and make it their mission to turn a franchise around, but let's be real....that's not the norm in today's NBA.

I'm sure Deron looks at that Nets roster and isn't impressed. He had that option to terminate his contract put in there during negotiations...what would be wrong with him using it? The Nets were fully aware of the risk when they traded for him. It's their fault if he walks....they have done nothing to improve that roster since he got there.

Kobblehead · Post #239 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:22 pm

LOL, Dwight Howard is an overrated diva and Deron Williams is a head case. I've come to the conclusion that at least 60% of the users on here don't know s*** about the NBA outside of the Sixers.

steveb21 · Post #240 » by **steveb21** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:31 pm

What's laughable is that you think deron Williams is a head case/diva because the guy was honest with his FO about his plans. He's more than earned the right to test free agency. and when the FO asked him what it would take to keep him, he simply said I want to test the market. Didn't "demand a trade" or "run Sloan outta town".

As for the nets, is anyone surprised he doesn't want to go back there?? The nets were dumb to trade for him in the first place

What's really laughable is all the Deron appologists coming out of the woodwork. He didn't want the Jazz, he doesn't want the Nets (unless it's with Dwight Howard). What makes anyone think he wants us?

He wanted to go home to Dallas...no wait, he doesn't think that a great place long term. He wants to stay in Brooklyn...no wait, he changed his mind...unless they can get D12. Does anyone know his FA plans? Does even HE know his FA plans? If that's not a head case/diva then please tell me what is. Dude is as non-committal as they come. How can you try to build around a guy that you have no idea when he'll change his mind and decide he doesn't want to play for you? Does anyone here want to go through Melo-drama like in Denver? Or what Orlando is going through with D12? But hey, if that's what you want then it's cool. I'm just not a fan...