1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall (Poll Added)

Liver_Pooty · Post #101 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:11 am

Drummond will run up and down the court like a deer like Darko Milicic in his workouts, and throw down some thunderous windmills, but he is absolutely brain dead when it comes to 5 on 5 basketball.

MBash721 · Post #102 » by **MBash721** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:11 am

TayP wrote:MJ is probably sick as hell right now. Stern ass is about to be on the line now because I'm sure MJ knows all his s##t. Benson paid for that pick it's so obviously. He is a serial cheater. I hate conspiracy theories but this one is the truth.

If I was MJ/Cho I would offer #2+Kemba+31+2013 Portland 1st+Mags expiring for #1+Emeka or threaten with an investigation.

go ahead.... offer that.... NO will hang up the phone immediately

people really cant be stupid enough to believe the Bobcats have ANYTHING that would bring back the #1 pick

New Orleans is not going to trade the #1 pick unless they get a superstar in return.... and even then they may not accept because Davis will be making 1/3 of what a superstar makes per season, leaving the team with a potential superstar and cap flexibility

countryboi · Post #103 » by **countryboi** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:12 am

Badd_Intentions wrote:We can't afford to not draft Drummond bc of how he fits with biz. We need to take someone with superstar potential. I think mkg and throb will be good players but I just don't see them making much of a difference here or even being cornerstones.

the bobcats are just not good enought to say we cant draft this guy or that guy because he does not fit....right now everyone fits. i am waiting to i see how drummond works out but he is 100 percent potential pick...

MBash721 · Post #104 » by **MBash721** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:12 am

Rich4114 wrote:Wonder if Orlando and D12 would consider a trade of Howard for #2.

If we could make that happen and have enough room to sign Deron to a max deal, would that be something we could build into a contending team in the east? I know it sounds far fetched now, but that is certainly the type of move a team like the Celtics made to go from bottom dwellers to champs over night.

you cant be serious

people posting need to stop thinking real life is NBA 2k12

Liver_Pooty · Post #105 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:13 am

The Nets lost more than we did tonight/ Hoping to get the first pick to trade it with a package for Howard to appease Williams. Not only did they not get the first pick, hell they lost it altogether. Talk about getting drilled in the Wallace trade.

I think Williams' agent is on the phone right now with the Lakers for a potential sign and trade.

captaincrunk · Post #106 » by **captaincrunk** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:13 am

Norm2953 wrote:Blazers fan.

I feel bad for Rich Cho and the Bobcats but I wonder if Portland and the Bobcats
could do a deal involving a player +2 for 6&11 for I would agree Drummond would
be too big a gamble for the Bobcats and players like MKG and Robinson would do
little to really improve your team. Portland wants a big and likes Zeller but he's
not going to be there at 11 and he's a big reach at 6 which is why a trade with
the Bobcats makes the most sense if Drummond is the best center in the draft.

yeah we've been talking about this for weeks. 6 and 11 aren't exactly a gold mine, though. I think I'd want portland to remove protections on their pick to us for next year as well at least.

toddlincoln · Post #107 » by **toddlincoln** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:13 am

Honestly, if we keep the pick, Robinson MKG and Harrison Barnes are probably the best 3 prospects for us.

Barnes and MKG could both play SF (something we desperatle need) and Robinson could get boards for us I guess

bobcats3wallace · Post #108 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:15 am

Slam, I agree with you. Thomas Robinson is my man, for now. It does scare me a little having a front court of Biz and Robinson size wise, but ultimately I don't think it would be that big of a deal. I still don't get the love for Drummond. Sure he may have an "NBA body", but he doesn't know what to do with it and hasn't shown any kind of resemblance of being able to learn. I just don't want Drummond. I could easily see him being MJ's Kwame 2.0. Not in skill or anything, but just in terms of being a HUGE bust at the top of the draft. T-rob in my opinion is an NBA ready player NOW and has the potential to be a fringe star. I think his ability to score the rock will translate to the NBA and therefore I think he will be a very good NBA player. Maybe not a superstar, but probably a player that has all-star potential.

If we were to do a trade to Portland for 6 and 11, who would everyone want? I just don't like what we could get at that 11 spot and I actually think that Trob would be of greater value for us. Now if we keep 2 and sent DJ to Portland for 11, that's obviously a different story. But right now I think I draft Trob and run with it.

Liver_Pooty · Post #109 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:16 am

captaincrunk wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:Blazers fan.

I feel bad for Rich Cho and the Bobcats but I wonder if Portland and the Bobcats
could do a deal involving a player +2 for 6&11 for I would agree Drummond would
be too big a gamble for the Bobcats and players like MKG and Robinson would do
little to really improve your team. Portland wants a big and likes Zeller but he's
not going to be there at 11 and he's a big reach at 6 which is why a trade with
the Bobcats makes the most sense if Drummond is the best center in the draft.

yeah we've been talking about this for weeks. 6 and 11 aren't exactly a gold mine, though. I think I'd want portland to remove protections on their pick to us for next year as well at least.

Question is who would Charlotte draft at 6 and 11? Barnes and Sullinger? Sure we would fill some holes, but we thought we were doing that as well when we refused to trade up for Chris Paul and drafted Felton and May as well.

Different circumstances since there isn't a guard in this draft like Paul, but you get my drift.

MBash721 · Post #110 » by **MBash721** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:16 am

toddlincoln wrote:Honestly, if we keep the pick, Robinson MKG and Harrison Barnes are probably the best 3 prospects for us.

Barnes and MKG could both play SF (something we desperatle need) and Robinson could get boards for us I guess

Barnes is a terrible fit

he needs to play with a great PG that can get him open looks..... who on Charlotte can do that?

he cant create off the dribble at all, he's not a great defender, and he doesnt create for other... he is a straight up shooter.... adding him to this team makes zero sense

MKG makes the most sense at #2

captaincrunk · Post #111 » by **captaincrunk** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:17 am

robinson or drummond are the only that I'd be happy with. Shoot for the fences, you might get a homerun, or at least a double. they can't catch a flyball you didn't hit, better than a groundball trying to be safe. there's two outs right now, and this metaphor is far too extended.

therebirth · Post #112 » by **therebirth** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:17 am

Drafting Drummond may just be the end of this franchise in charlotte. Do you want to risk that? I don't think cho would do that.

Eoghan · Post #113 » by **Eoghan** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:17 am

MBash721 wrote:Drummond and Biyombo as a frontcourt pairing makes absolutely no sense..... it shows me you know nothing about basketball

and I dont get your obsession with Sullinger.... he is not even on the radar at #2

Lol at the cheap shots now. Me having to justify why the Cats should take an absolute physical specimen at 6'11 as opposed to guys that do pretty much grow on trees doesn't speak to highly of your basketball knowledge either.

Drummond has already shed 22 lbs to improve his body so that damages your "doesn't care about basketball" theory. He could be a better, bigger Amare, that would pair nicely with a rim protector in Biyombo, no?

And I know Sully isn't on the radar at 2, I'm talking about various trade scenarios.

doc.end · Post #114 » by **doc.end** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:19 am

Trade for Stern.

Post #115 » by **BigSlam** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:20 am

bobcats3wallace wrote:If we were to do a trade to Portland for 6 and 11, who would everyone want?

Barnes and Sullinger would work for me.

Kemba - Hendo - Barnes - Sullinger - Biz

Sure, why not. Young enough to have promise for the future but not good enough in its 1st season to impact our draft pick too much next year.

KingCat · Post #116 » by **KingCat** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:21 am

For me, the absolute do not wants are 1. Drummond 2. Gilchrist (Unless we trade down) 3. Sullinger 4. Thomas Robinson. I will be tempted to give up on the 'Cats if we draft anyone of these player with the 2nd pick.

Post #117 » by **BigSlam** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:22 am

MBash721 wrote:MKGis a terrible fit

he needs to play with a great PG that can get him open looks..... who on Charlotte can do that?

he cant create off the dribble at all, he's terrible shooter, and he doesnt create for other... he is a straight up defender.... adding him to this team makes zero sense

Others make the most sense at #2

Sees whats I dids theres?

HasheemThabeet · Post #118 » by **HasheemThabeet** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:23 am

Let's just argue that Drummond has the superstar potential people claim he does. Which is more likely to happen with a guy with motor issues, bad hands, bad bbiq and a slow learning curve. Being a bust or becoming a superstar?

countryboi · Post #119 » by **countryboi** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:28 am

do not want Sullinger...if we trade for 6, 11 i want barnes and PJ3...or lamb and moe harkless or lamb and terrence jones

Eoghan · Post #120 » by **Eoghan** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:38 am

To me, it's very simple. We're not trying to win now, next year, or maybe even year after next. We have the rare privilege of having tons of time to develop and stockpile assets. All we have to do is not be better than last year and most fans are happy. Guys like Drummond do not come around very often at all. Even if Drummond does not reach his potential, his floor is likely to be a Robinson and in a year or two he'll be just as good at least, still have size and amazing athleticism and still be much more valuable as trade bait than a Robinson or MKG or Beal etc.

We're getting a coach with a focus on developing talent, Cho said as much. So if we get a guy like Sloan, he'll teach physical marvel how to play basketball and the league will chit themselves b/c we'll continue to add good rookies next year and the year after, and FA.

If we go with Robinson, I'm fine but I feel like we should go for it with gusto. Picking Robinson, Beal, MKG, etc or trading down for someone like Barnes and Sullinger just smacks of the same "let's play it safe" strategy we have always done which has led us to treadmill glory. We can get guys like that anytime in future drafts, there won't be another Drummond in the near future.

Who should the Bobcats draft at #2?