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Re: The 2012 NBA Draft: 6th & 11th picks, and some random 2n 

Post#921 » by DusterBuster » Thu May 31, 2012 5:00 am

Lillard is growing on me, particularly with the how the PG spot has evolved over the past few years. Not sure I'd reach as high 6 for him, but if his stock rises close to the draft, maybe.
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Re: The 2012 NBA Draft: 6th & 11th picks, and some random 2n 

Post#922 » by GreenRiddler » Thu May 31, 2012 5:00 am

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Case2012 wrote:Damian Lillard at 6 AND Kendall Marshall at 11.

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seriously though..BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA
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Re: The 2012 NBA Draft: 6th & 11th picks, and some random 2n 

Post#923 » by Fitz303 » Thu May 31, 2012 5:02 am

BPA @ 6.. Likely either Drummond, Beal, or Barnes

Marshall or Lillard @ 11

If both PGs are gone at 11 (likely only if NOH and Toronto take them at 8 and 10), then take a chance on Perry Jones, Austin Rivers, or Tyler Zeller
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Re: The 2012 NBA Draft: 6th & 11th picks, and some random 2n 

Post#924 » by GreenRiddler » Thu May 31, 2012 5:02 am

tindogg wrote:NBA.com has us selecting Damian Lillard at #6 ....that's a bit of a reach, surely there's a better player available at that pick?

People like that are just lazy they see "Oh Portland they need a pg here Lillard or Marshall" even though we will go BPA with either MKG, Beal, T-Rob, Drummond or Barnes.
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Post#925 » by Milkdud » Thu May 31, 2012 5:17 am

I like Lilliad but not at #6, Portland needs a talent infusing its BPA.
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Post#926 » by GreenRiddler » Thu May 31, 2012 5:19 am

I think it is pretty likely both Wes and Babbitt get moved Wes for the appealing talent and possible need for a sg and Babbitt for filler. for what though I don't know.
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Post#927 » by PhilipNelsonFan » Thu May 31, 2012 5:23 am

Remove Davis, MKG, Beal and Barnes from the equation and I don't see a better player available than Damian Lillard. It isn't Drummond, whose production was menial even for a big as touted as he was (DeAndre Jordan wasn't nearly the HS prospect Drummond was). Thomas Robinson and Jared Sullinger are talented, but they're both going to struggle to score at the next level.

I don't see anyone likely available at No. 6 overall who can score like Lillard can or who could play PG like Lillard can, and those are vital needs at this time.

Now, I didn't think Ricky Rubio would fall to No. 5 overall a couple years back, so that option always exists, but I think the four best prospects will be gone in a hurry and, from there, Nos. 5-25 are all on about the same plane of talent.
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Post#928 » by PhilipNelsonFan » Thu May 31, 2012 5:26 am

Milkdud, you were absolutely right about the dearth of top-end talent in this draft, though. Only I see Kidd-Gilchrist much closer to Davis than the rest of the pack.

This is a painfully weak year to have four picks in the top 41. I hope Portland swings some future considerations out of all this somehow.
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Post#929 » by kdawg32086 » Thu May 31, 2012 5:39 am

To be honest, I don't see a difference between Damian Lillard and J'Covan Brown...
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Post#930 » by GreenRiddler » Thu May 31, 2012 5:40 am

PhilipNelsonFan wrote:Remove Davis, MKG, Beal and Barnes from the equation and I don't see a better player available than Damian Lillard. It isn't Drummond, whose production was menial even for a big as touted as he was (DeAndre Jordan wasn't nearly the HS prospect Drummond was). Thomas Robinson and Jared Sullinger are talented, but they're both going to struggle to score at the next level.

I don't see anyone likely available at No. 6 overall who can score like Lillard can or who could play PG like Lillard can, and those are vital needs at this time.

Now, I didn't think Ricky Rubio would fall to No. 5 overall a couple years back, so that option always exists, but I think the four best prospects will be gone in a hurry and, from there, Nos. 5-25 are all on about the same plane of talent.

Honestly bro I would rather have us move the team then reach for another friggin PGOTF, even though I still like Smith ( although I always hated the move of him over Faried) I think the only reason why Lillard is a lottery prospect is cause this is a weak PG draft class. So please just stop with this Lillard over T-Rob and Drummond, and don't use the Drummond/Deandre comp cause I can just use Flynn and Bayless...
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Post#931 » by PhilipNelsonFan » Thu May 31, 2012 5:42 am

kdawg32086 wrote:To be honest, I don't see a difference between Damian Lillard and J'Covan Brown...


I wouldn't go within 10 feet of a Texas player. Aldridge and Durant are the lone exceptions; otherwise, you have at least 10 years of failure.
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Post#932 » by PhilipNelsonFan » Thu May 31, 2012 5:44 am

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PhilipNelsonFan wrote:Remove Davis, MKG, Beal and Barnes from the equation and I don't see a better player available than Damian Lillard. It isn't Drummond, whose production was menial even for a big as touted as he was (DeAndre Jordan wasn't nearly the HS prospect Drummond was). Thomas Robinson and Jared Sullinger are talented, but they're both going to struggle to score at the next level.

I don't see anyone likely available at No. 6 overall who can score like Lillard can or who could play PG like Lillard can, and those are vital needs at this time.

Now, I didn't think Ricky Rubio would fall to No. 5 overall a couple years back, so that option always exists, but I think the four best prospects will be gone in a hurry and, from there, Nos. 5-25 are all on about the same plane of talent.

Honestly bro I would rather have us move the team then reach for another friggin PGOTF, even though I still like Smith ( although I always hated the move of him over Faried) I think the only reason why Lillard is a lottery prospect is cause this is a weak PG draft class. So please just stop with this Lillard over T-Rob and Drummond, and don't use the Drummond/Deandre comp cause I can just use Flynn and Bayless...


Comparing prospects is what we're supposed to do. :D

Flynn isn't a bad comparison, but Bayless had some obvious issues that never rectified themselves in the NBA. I'm not really sure why Flynn never succeeded, though defense had a lot to do with it.

Sacrilegious as this may be, I DO NOT want to see Portland acquire a big man in this draft. I don't believe the big men likely available can contribute to this team in any meaningful way. Even Drummond.
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Post#933 » by kdawg32086 » Thu May 31, 2012 5:48 am

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kdawg32086 wrote:To be honest, I don't see a difference between Damian Lillard and J'Covan Brown...


I wouldn't go within 10 feet of a Texas player. Aldridge and Durant are the lone exceptions; otherwise, you have at least 10 years of failure.


If it weren't for Rodney Stuckey, we could say the same thing about players from the Big Sky...
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Post#934 » by PhilipNelsonFan » Thu May 31, 2012 5:50 am

I loved Rodney Stuckey coming out of college too.

Shows what I know, right? :D

I'm still sticking with my opinion that this draft is a glorified scrap heap.
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Post#935 » by kdawg32086 » Thu May 31, 2012 5:55 am

I'd say that for top of the board talent, the draft is weak. For overall talent, I think it's probably deeper than normal. I think the quality of guys who will be drafted between 20-30 this year are top 15-20 picks in most years. I'd also make the argument that there are guys like Jeff Taylor and Kris Joseph who are early 2nd rounders in some mocks are legit first talents.
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Post#936 » by GreenRiddler » Thu May 31, 2012 5:59 am

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GreenRiddler wrote:
PhilipNelsonFan wrote:Remove Davis, MKG, Beal and Barnes from the equation and I don't see a better player available than Damian Lillard. It isn't Drummond, whose production was menial even for a big as touted as he was (DeAndre Jordan wasn't nearly the HS prospect Drummond was). Thomas Robinson and Jared Sullinger are talented, but they're both going to struggle to score at the next level.

I don't see anyone likely available at No. 6 overall who can score like Lillard can or who could play PG like Lillard can, and those are vital needs at this time.

Now, I didn't think Ricky Rubio would fall to No. 5 overall a couple years back, so that option always exists, but I think the four best prospects will be gone in a hurry and, from there, Nos. 5-25 are all on about the same plane of talent.

Honestly bro I would rather have us move the team then reach for another friggin PGOTF, even though I still like Smith ( although I always hated the move of him over Faried) I think the only reason why Lillard is a lottery prospect is cause this is a weak PG draft class. So please just stop with this Lillard over T-Rob and Drummond, and don't use the Drummond/Deandre comp cause I can just use Flynn and Bayless...


Comparing prospects is what we're supposed to do. :D

Flynn isn't a bad comparison, but Bayless had some obvious issues that never rectified themselves in the NBA. I'm not really sure why Flynn never succeeded, though defense had a lot to do with it.

Sacrilegious as this may be, I DO NOT want to see Portland acquire a big man in this draft. I don't believe the big men likely available can contribute to this team in any meaningful way. Even Drummond.

Never said we should I said we should get BPA with; MKG, T-Rob, Drummond, Beal and Barnes on the board...one will fall to us take who's left...
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Post#937 » by Wickzki » Thu May 31, 2012 6:21 am

I would love to draft Harrison Barnes. As much as I'm personally not a fan of his I'd accept if the team drafted Kendall Marshall with the 11. Re-sign Batum to play 2/3 and make Matthews your long-term sixth man backing up Batum and Barnes. Good chance there you have the best perimeter defense in the NBA inside three years.
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Post#938 » by Cro_Ruption » Thu May 31, 2012 6:49 am

hope drummond falls, then take lamb at 7. sign nash and resign batum and hickson.
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Post#939 » by JustBlaze52 » Thu May 31, 2012 6:53 am

Personally I'm hoping for Dragic over someone like Marshall. I'd rather fix our PG problem through free agency or trade than through the draft.

My hopes are that Beal falls to #6, if he doesn't take BPA. But let's say he does. Then with the #11 I would take the best big available, which would probably be Henson or (gag) Zeller/Leonard. Maybe trade Nolan Smith and the #11 to move up a spot or two and make sure we get Henson.

Then resign Hickson/Batum, sign Pryz back and bring over Freeland and Claver.

Dragic/Smith/Vet Minimum
Beal/Matthews/Williams
Batum/Claver/Babbitt
Aldridge/Hickson/Thomas
Henson/Freeland/Pryzbilla

I assume Pryz would continue to be the starter for a while the two rookies are groomed, or Hickson starts. But That's a pretty decent looking young team. I'd be happy with it.

If Drummond falls to #6, I'd take him and reverse the #11, take the best wing available, preferrably Lamb. Then Drummond is your starting center and Lamb comes off the bench behind Wes.
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Re: The 2012 NBA Draft: 6th & 11th picks, and some random 2n 

Post#940 » by deanwoof » Thu May 31, 2012 6:59 am

i would love to see beal fall to 6, but i don't think he would make it past cleveland, barring a trade in the top .

anyone else feel like portland drafting Kendall Marshall is a lock at 11?

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