1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall (Poll Added)

debo23 · Post #261 » by **debo23** » Thu May 31, 2012 5:32 am

The more I read up on him, the better Robinson looks... I didn't know he's been working on his 3 range, which pretty much makes him a lock for me

http://www.hoopsworld.com/robinson-coming-for-the-number-one-spot

SWedd523 · Post #262 » by **SWedd523** » Thu May 31, 2012 5:32 am

1. He still looks scrawny in that picture. He looks cut because he's in motion, but definitely not "big", and I'd be surprised if he weighed in at 220. Barnes is only listed at 223 and he's noticeably bigger than MKG.

2. To the guy asking if Lamb could play the SF. Eh, maybe in spot minutes. He's certainly long enough and on the edge height-wise at around the 6'5-6'6 range. But I wouldn't do it full time as his frame isn't strong enough to take the punishment of the bigger guys out there.

3. The biggest problem I have with Robinson is that his numbers go unnoticed to me. I watched him play a few times this year and at the end of the game went, "yeah I guess he played pretty good" then checked the box score and saw he went for like 25/15. Does that mean he doesn't affect the game and puts up empty stats? or does it mean he plays within the flow of the game and doesn't need to stand out? Can't decide yet.

SWedd523 · Post #263 » by **SWedd523** » Thu May 31, 2012 5:34 am

and LeBron was noticeably bigger than MKG, by the way

There's a reason people said he looked like a grown man when he was a rookie. MKG not so much.

Not holding it against him as he has a good frame and will surely fill out some. But he won't ever be a bruiser.

Stun704 · Post #264 » by **Stun704** » Thu May 31, 2012 5:35 am

BrotherDave wrote:
Stun704 wrote:
but seriously T-Rob did outplay the Unibrow in college basketballs biggest stage.

Well, Royce White outplayed the Unibrow during the tourney also, should we draft him too?

(actually, I'd be over the moon if we left this draft with Royce and Drummond somehow)

Sure if Royce wasn't a bigger headcase then Tyrus Thomas, my dream draft would be a T-Rob and a marcus thorton type player in the 2nd round

Eoghan · Post #265 » by **Eoghan** » Thu May 31, 2012 5:36 am

debo23 wrote:The more I read up on him, the better Robinson looks... I didn't know he's been working on his 3 range, which pretty much makes him a lock for me

http://www.hoopsworld.com/robinson-coming-for-the-number-one-spot

That's a double edged sword with him though. He does tend to fall in love with his shot. I'd rather him not walk down the path of Antoine Walker or Al Harrington. I do really like this kid though, one of the best stories you'll hear in sports.

TheKingofSting · Post #266 » by **TheKingofSting** » Thu May 31, 2012 5:37 am

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7985312

Post #267 » by **The J Rocka** » Thu May 31, 2012 5:39 am

SWedd523 wrote:1. He still looks scrawny in that picture. He looks cut because he's in motion, but definitely not "big", and I'd be surprised if he weighed in at 220. Barnes is only listed at 223 and he's noticeably bigger than MKG.

My point is that he plays like he's built. Just because he doesn't have T-Rob arms doesn't make him out to be some string bean that's ready to snap and can't hold a jock strap. The way he plays with a thinner frame, imagine him with an NBA body. Guy could bully big men in the paint in college with that thin frame. He'll soon get bigger muscle and when he does, watch out. Kid is going to be a great prospect.

Best of luck in the draft.

Marino · Post #268 » by **Marino** » Thu May 31, 2012 5:40 am

SWedd523 wrote:1. He still looks scrawny in that picture. He looks cut because he's in motion, but definitely not "big", and I'd be surprised if he weighed in at 220. Barnes is only listed at 223 and he's noticeably bigger than MKG.

2. To the guy asking if Lamb could play the SF. Eh, maybe in spot minutes. He's certainly long enough and on the edge height-wise at around the 6'5-6'6 range. But I wouldn't do it full time as his frame isn't strong enough to take the punishment of the bigger guys out there.

3. The biggest problem I have with Robinson is that his numbers go unnoticed to me. I watched him play a few times this year and at the end of the game went, "yeah I guess he played pretty good" then checked the box score and saw he went for like 25/15. Does that mean he doesn't affect the game and puts up empty stats? or does it mean he plays within the flow of the game and doesn't need to stand out? Can't decide yet.

I am a big NC State mark and to be honest, I knew Robinson was there, but he really didn't do anything that stood out and made me go wow, during the game against my Wolfpack. I mean, he was good, just nothing that stood out.

When do draft workouts begin?

TheKingofSting · Post #269 » by **TheKingofSting** » Thu May 31, 2012 5:52 am

Marino wrote:When do draft workouts begin?

Can't find any info online but I'm guessing next week.

freakon0mics · Post #270 » by **freakon0mics** » Thu May 31, 2012 6:18 am

It's obvious for me who we will be picking and that's MKG. Thomas Robinson would be nice but I think Cho and Jordan see's more potential in MKG whereas Robinson's ceiling just isn't that high in comparison.

gethigh · Post #271 » by **gethigh** » Thu May 31, 2012 6:23 am

Is Stun seriously trying to talk down Anthony Davis now that the bobcats didn't get the #1 pick? Seriously?

TheKingofSting · Post #272 » by **TheKingofSting** » Thu May 31, 2012 6:37 am

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider
Drummond has lost 22 pounds since ending the season. He's at 268 now. He's very quick laterally for a big guy. VERY QUICK

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7984310

Stun704 · Post #273 » by **Stun704** » Thu May 31, 2012 6:55 am

T-Rob looks to be the same height as Drummond

Kabookalu · Post #274 » by **Kabookalu** » Thu May 31, 2012 6:59 am

Those comparing Drummond with Thabeet, it's not even comparable. Everyone knew, and I mean EVERYONE knew that Thabeet was going to bust. For some unknown reason the Grizzlies took him anyways. He was the most likely to flop and he had a low ceiling. Literally the only thing that separated him from someone like Solomon Alabi was 3 inches. Average athlete, limited skills, there was absolutely nothing about him that screamed lottery pick. Drummond is one of the freakiest athletes we've seen in years. Davis is more gifted as an athlete (a big man with his measurements and dexterity is just unheard of) but Drummond's combination of mobility, agility, strength, and size are mind blowing. Drummond>>>>Thabeet and it's not even close.

Stun704 · Post #275 » by **Stun704** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:15 am

Choker wrote:Those comparing Drummond with Thabeet, it's not even comparable. Everyone knew, and I mean EVERYONE knew that Thabeet was going to bust. For some unknown reason the Grizzlies took him anyways. He was the most likely to flop and he had a low ceiling. Literally the only thing that separated him from someone like Solomon Alabi was 3 inches. Average athlete, limited skills, there was absolutely nothing about him that screamed lottery pick. Drummond is one of the freakiest athletes we've seen in years. Davis is more gifted as an athlete (a big man with his measurements and dexterity is just unheard of) but Drummond's combination of mobility, agility, strength, and size are mind blowing. Drummond>>>>Thabeet and it's not even close.

How do you think a drummond/biyombo pairing would work? and which do you think would be a better fit along side Biyombo, Robinson or Drummond?

Kabookalu · Post #276 » by **Kabookalu** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:44 am

Stun704 wrote:How do you think a drummond/biyombo pairing would work? and which do you think would be a better fit along side Biyombo, Robinson or Drummond?

It would probably be miserable in the first couple of seasons. And Robinson would be a better fit because he shows an all around game so he wouldn't be really stepping on Biyombo's shoes like Drummond would.

The thing is though Drummond's physical talents are just so extraordinary. It's not that everything else can be ignored, but Drummond has been breezing through basketball his entire life with no peers to challenge him. He may not have taken basketball seriously until his freshman year at UCONN. Losing 20 pounds is an encouraging sign already. Although there are concerns of his attitude you never know how much of an impact Biyombo's own attitude could rub off on him. And Drummond did show an all around game in high school.

Robinson is the safer pick and still has great potential, although Drummond's potential is just so sky high. The thing with drafting is that all things are never going to be equal. Certain environments can effect the way a prospect turns out. If Paul Silas was still coach I would say forget about it, go with Robinson 100%. With Drummond in the right environment he could really shrug off all the negatives that have surrounded him. Having someone of Biyombo's attitude is a start, now the Bobcats need to load up on a coaching staff dedicated to their development.

Liver_Pooty · Post #277 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:54 am

We may as well start discussing trade down scenarios, because Gilchrist will be the pick. Thank God.

Det the Threat · Post #278 » by **Det the Threat** » Thu May 31, 2012 8:15 am

Too bad you guys couldn't pull it out and win that #1 pick. :-?

Though, #2 is great as well and there'll be a real good player available for your rebuilding project.

I think, in the end, the Bobcats will decide between Drummond and Robinson.

MKG has great potential but I doubt a small forward with trouble scoring(especially shooting) the ball is going to be picked at #2.
And Beal is nice, but not a guy you take at #2 IMO, especially with talented bigs like Robinson or Drummond available.

So the tough part about that desicion will be if the FO thinks that Drummond can get it or if it's better to go for the more polished Robinson.

Anyways, should be fun times with loads of discussions about what to do with that pick. :wink:

KembaWalker · Post #279 » by **KembaWalker** » Thu May 31, 2012 8:19 am

k put in some research and my rankings have already changed a lot

right now I'm at

1. Robinson
2. Drummond

decent drop off

3. MKG
4. Beal

MPM · Post #280 » by **MPM** » Thu May 31, 2012 8:29 am

My preferred route is that we tell Stern we know where the bodies are buried. Trade #2 for NOH’s #1, #10, and Eric Gordon.

For the Drummond supporters – at the end of a night of poker, the guy who takes home the pot is not the one who makes long shot bets all night. This draft is our first hand. You really going all in on the first hand? I get long shots, but not on this guy. Raw and motivated is one thing (Biz). Raw and unmotivated is another. The types of questions surrounding Drummond are not the types of questions that surrounded D12.

This being said, god forgive us if we take MKG at #2. I’d much rather take Drummond.

We aren’t going to be able to solve all of the problems of this team with one draft (or two). This means if we stick with #2, you take a sure thing in T-Rob. At a per 40, he was the top rebounder in college basketball, can put it in the hoop, is showing flashes of developing a solid outside game, and will never be outworked on the floor.

On T-Rob and Biz being too short to play together effectively. Who cares? We’re rebuilding. You’d likely just be rotating in a combination of BJM, Biz, and T-rob this year which is A-OK for a rebuilding squad. As we know, Biz d’s up perfectly fine on big 5’s (looking at you Dwight). My only hope is that he surprises during measurements. If he comes in at 6’8”, it would be unsettling.

I love the idea of trading DJA to grab another top 12 pick.

BTW – after Davis, the mocks are a cluster – all over the place – hilarious. NBADraft has us taking Barnes at #2. NEVER gonna happen.

Who should the Bobcats draft at #2?