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Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12

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Would you be happy if the Raptors drafted... (check all that apply)

Harrison Barnes
154
21%
Andre Drummond
90
12%
John Henson
7
1%
Perry Jones III
63
9%
Terrence Jones
22
3%
Jeremy Lamb
159
22%
Damian Lillard
80
11%
Kendall Marshall
52
7%
Austin Rivers
59
8%
Jared Sullinger
50
7%
 
Total votes: 736

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#721 » by Undefeated » Thu May 31, 2012 3:33 am

Garmfay wrote:Settles way too much for jumpers. Skinny frame which I don't think can gain a ton of muscle to be able to take alot of contact attacking the rim. Can he create for others? We know DeRozan can't. And of course, the lack of motor which is why he settles for jumpers


He did settle for the outside jumpers a bit too much, but most of those outside jumpers came from running off staggered screens for the catch-and-shoot because of two ball-dominant Guards in the backcourt. It's nearly impossible for Lamb to put the ball on the floor or create off the dribble when he doesn't even have the ball in his hands to speak with Napier and Boatright having their head turned the other way looking off Lamb when he had a perfect opportunity to attack a rotating defense as defenders were out of position with a quick hitter for the tight curl rim attack. Lamb had a 23.9 USG% which is almost comparable to a 3rd option, yet he still managed to drop 17.7 points per game on .589 TS%. So, ~4.0 FTA per game isn't bad given his usage rate. And when Lamb has had ample opportunity with the ball in his hands, he isn't afraid to put the ball on the deck and serve up a poster. He's got a wide variety of floaters and teardrops attacking the middle, so he definitely knows how to get his shot off with a shot-blocker trying to challenge his layup. If he was afraid to go inside, he wouldn't have all these moves.

Which 19-20 year old prospect isn't thin coming into the NBA? Although his shoulders aren't wide, it's not that narrow either that he can't pack on muscle. Again, he attempted 4.0 FTAs given his relatively low usage rate, so it's not like he doesn't get to the line at all. And look at Kevin Martin, he's skinny too, but still draws fouls.

And there's a reason why Jeremy Lamb looked much, much more effective when Boatright was suspended during the months of November and early January because him and Napier would share ball-handling duties instead of Boatright and Napier which forced Lamb to play out of position at the 3 and reduced his share at bringing up the ball. A small sample size here, but for what it's worth, in the 9 games where Boatright was suspended and UConn was starting Napier and Lamb in the backcourt together, Lamb averaged nearly 3 apg up from his 1.6 apg on the season. So yes, he can create for others when that opportunity presents itself.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#722 » by Undefeated » Thu May 31, 2012 3:34 am

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Undefeated wrote:Okay, if you don't think Lamb is flawless offensively, tell me what his weaknesses are offensively. I'm all ears.

If he was flawless offensively he'd be in the discussion of being top 3. He's not because he mainly settles for jump shots, he doesn't dish assists well and he doesn't get to the line enough.


Again, that point is moot when you have MKG in the conversation for a top 3 pick. And read what I wrote above to see what I'm getting at.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#723 » by turner10 » Thu May 31, 2012 3:44 am

really sounds like BC is going to deal the pick because he and the coaching staff want more experience and have a "win now" attitude..already have one rookie coming in (Val) so i don't know if they want to add another rookie..we shall see though!
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#724 » by ballislife » Thu May 31, 2012 3:46 am

turner10 wrote:really sounds like BC is going to deal the pick because he and the coaching staff want more experience and have a "win now" attitude..already have one rookie coming in (Val) so i don't know if they want to add another rookie..we shall see though!


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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#725 » by Rapsfan07 » Thu May 31, 2012 3:53 am

How long have I been on this thing here preaching about Tony Wroten?!

That guy is going to be a player in this league. Possibly better than a lot of players taken in the lottery. John Wall lite but with a better jumper. If Colangelo can move Ed for him, that move would be bigger than most here can understand.

Also, on the Lamb discussion. Mark my words - Lamb will very likely be a better player than MKG. The ONLY knock on Lamb is he settles for too many jumpers. Fine, we know that. But he's skinny so it's not hard to see why he's not apt to driving the ball into the paint. Should he gain some more weight and strength, that shouldn't be problem. We know he has no issue creating for himself or shooting it so that is the only major thing. And his "motor"... his "laid back" attitude. That doesn't phase me at all. They said the same thing about Rudy Gay and a bunch of other players. If Casey can motivate Bargs, there's nothing he can't do and no one he can't get through to. He's already dealt with the worst possible.

About the pick. My hope is that the instant trade rumours emerge about us trading the pick for a player that is NOT Harden, Monroe, Cousins, Favours etc, Colangelo is fired and Stefanski takes over. We are a rebuilding team that has NO stars. No cornerstone. No franchise player. You have ABSOLUTELY NO business trading a lottery pick in a deep draft for vets. You do that AFTERWARDS. Let's not put the cart before the horse. We've come too far now to screw this up. If BC wants vets, let him sign them. No need to move picks. Barring an unexpected event on draft night, Lamb or Lillard should be there at least. And if you MUST trade this pick, its for young talent ONLY. not for overpaid mediocre vets that put us back on the treadmill.

Draft Day:
First Round: Lamb at #8, trade Ed for one of Miller/Wroten/Fournier (draft and stash)
Second Round: Plan A - Package the picks for a later first. Plan B - William Buford, Will Barton
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#726 » by DA_SCOUT » Thu May 31, 2012 4:05 am

Colangelo on the draft. Casey is there too on the next vid.

http://www.nba.com/raptors/video/bryan- ... ay-30-2012
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#727 » by Waylon Mercy » Thu May 31, 2012 4:07 am

Rapsfan07 wrote:How long have I been on this thing here preaching about Tony Wroten?!

That guy is going to be a player in this league. Possibly better than a lot of players taken in the lottery. John Wall lite but with a better jumper. If Colangelo can move Ed for him, that move would be bigger than most here can understand.


The problem with Wroten is hes a horrific shooter and outside shooting is a huge thing
this team is looking for.
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Post#728 » by Undefeated » Thu May 31, 2012 4:11 am

Waylon Mercy wrote:The problem with Wroten is hes a horrific shooter and outside shooting is a huge thing this team is looking for.


Not with 8th, but acquiring Wroten with a possible late-first rounder would be a steal through some sort of trade. The Raptors also lack a player with good vision and passing which Wroten is. Talent is talent.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#729 » by Rapsfan07 » Thu May 31, 2012 4:22 am

Undefeated wrote:
Waylon Mercy wrote:The problem with Wroten is hes a horrific shooter and outside shooting is a huge thing this team is looking for.


Not with 8th, but acquiring Wroten with a possible late-first rounder would be a steal through some sort of trade. The Raptors also lack a player with good vision and passing which Wroten is. Talent is talent.


+1

We can't afford to pick and choose where our talent is going to come from and what it's going to look like. In short, beggars can be choosers. And we're a bottom feeder in the NBA. If a cheap look at Wroten is available, we need to take it and work out the kinks later.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#730 » by Waylon Mercy » Thu May 31, 2012 5:55 am

Undefeated wrote:
Waylon Mercy wrote:The problem with Wroten is hes a horrific shooter and outside shooting is a huge thing this team is looking for.


Not with 8th, but acquiring Wroten with a possible late-first rounder would be a steal through some sort of trade. The Raptors also lack a player with good vision and passing which Wroten is. Talent is talent.


I agree with that I think we all do...

Highly doubt he slips to the second round...

Highly doubt Colangelo is competent enough to trade up for him in the 20's to get him.
Also factor in Calderon is still here, Bayless has been hinted at as resigning and we could
be interested in Nash, Lin, Lowry, Dragic, etc.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#731 » by Rhettmatic » Thu May 31, 2012 1:21 pm

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Another big group workout happening in Minnesota today and tomorrow. All 30 teams are there … here's a look at who's playing.


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Group 1 at 2:30 pm today: Tomas Satoransky, J'Covan Brown, Khris Middleton, John Shurna, Miles Plumlee, Drew Gordon


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Group 2 today: Casper Ware, Scott Machado, Ramone Moore, Kevin Murphy, Jae Crowder, Quincy Acy
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Post#732 » by bboyskinnylegs » Thu May 31, 2012 1:26 pm

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#733 » by BillyGM » Thu May 31, 2012 1:40 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:
Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider
Another big group workout happening in Minnesota today and tomorrow. All 30 teams are there … here's a look at who's playing.


Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider
Group 1 at 2:30 pm today: Tomas Satoransky, J'Covan Brown, Khris Middleton, John Shurna, Miles Plumlee, Drew Gordon


Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider
Group 2 today: Casper Ware, Scott Machado, Ramone Moore, Kevin Murphy, Jae Crowder, Quincy Acy

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#734 » by Consequence » Thu May 31, 2012 1:44 pm

I think the odds of us picking up an additional pick this year are less than 10% at this point. It never sounded likely, but BC really hammered it home last night. Sorry draftniks.

I think we'll hang onto the pick though. We'll probably end up with Lamb or Lillard, either of which I am entirely happy with.
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Post#735 » by Rhettmatic » Thu May 31, 2012 1:50 pm

BC interview here, where he pokes fun at DX:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Pos ... -more-3933
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#736 » by DG88 » Thu May 31, 2012 1:51 pm

If we get Lillard I'd like BC to try and get Darius Miller in the early second round through a draft day trade. Would be a nice haul coming out of the draft.
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Post#737 » by Waylon Mercy » Thu May 31, 2012 1:55 pm

Can someone post a recap of this interview Colangelo did with Draft Express last
night for those of us not privy to audio right now?

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Pos ... -more-3933
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Post#738 » by Rhettmatic » Thu May 31, 2012 2:51 pm

Well I'm less interested than I was:

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Mass withdrawals in Minnesota group workout already: Tomas Satoransky, Kris Joseph, Khris Middleton and Garrett Stutz will not attend.


I'll try to recap the BC interview.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#739 » by Rhettmatic » Thu May 31, 2012 3:08 pm

DX: Did you allow yourself to get your hopes up?
BC: I think you always do. Your heart starts racing a little bit as you're going through the order, and they're opening envelopes. I was just happy to hear we didn't move back. Last year in this situation we came in with the third greatest odds, ended up moving back two spots. Still got the guy we wanted but it's not always going to work out that way. Staying at 8 is a success in some ways. We're obviously content with 8, we've talked about it hard, talked about the options that are there. It's a pretty big group of players, a nice range of players we're going to be looking at. Obvoiusly you've gotta now conclude the work we've put in the process.

DX: Any thoughts on the class in general, after Davis?
BC: Well, there's a couple of 2s, there's a couple 3s and a couple 4s everyone's talking about. I think it's a diverse group, a deep group, there's no one that stands out like perhaps the No. 1 pick, but I think team needs are going to start playing in a little bit. I think we're in a position where, as we're building, we're trying to get the best possible talent, the best possible assets, even if that means duplication. We're deep at 4 but if a 4's the best player on the board, we may take a 4. We're all over the board in the way we're looking at the draft. Our decision will come down to best talent available. Then you start looking at trade possibilities. We're one of the few teams with cap space right now as a result of the Barbosa deal, we have about 12 million in cap flexibility pre-July 1. We can absorb contract in a trade. That may mean we're committing future cap dollars. But maybe it puts us in a position draft-wise to look at another player. It may even involve including the 8th pick in a deal, which certainly has good value. I'm not shopping the pick, but we'll look at all options that we have as a means to improve our basketball team.

DX: How much trade discussion has there already been?
BC: It pretty much starts now. We've talked about various scenarios but now that the order is pretty much set, we have an idea of where certain players are, or a better idea where certain players are going, the order now determines the possibility to talk about specific assets being exchanged. So you know, now there'll be a little more clarity. Teams will talk about packaging, multiple picks to move up. Houston's got two picks if I'm not mistaken, they may try to move up to get a higher pick. There are various options out there that can be contemplated. That's what the phone lines are for.

DX: Looking at the various draft boards and all that, is that pegged fairly accurately right now?
BC: Well, you know, for the most part, there's all these mock drafts that are fairly consistent, but you've always got this random one called Draft Express that throws everything into turmoil. But we don't pay much attention to it. We obviously have our own rankings and we look at players a certain way, you know, it's kind of interesting to hear other people's outside observations and again, a lot of that, those mock draft rankings are based on intelligence that people like yourself obtain from talking to people in various personnel positions, so some of it is legit, some of it's smokescreens, it's a big chess game as you know. But for the most part, the mock drafts at the end, when you average them out, we look at about six-10, it's generally fairly accurate to how the draft plays out.

DX: Are you a big smokescreen guy?
BC: I haven't been much of a smokescreen guy but you've gotta protect your franchise's interests, so you can't be forthright with everything. You need to hold things back. Sometimes telling the truth is the best way to deceive somebody because everybody assumes that everyone is lying. What we try to do is go about our business with a certain level of integrity. It's pretty obvious what our team needs are. I'm sure most people evaluate it wthe way we do for the most part. Look, we are certainly looking at improving our roster and I think tehre are several players we might take a look at. I haven't really seen anything -- [congratulates Dell Demps, calls him "Babe"] -- but again, you try to handle your business a certain way. I've always been a big believer in, if you don't have anything honest to say, don't say it. Don't deceive people just to deceive people. You've gotta protect your franchise and if you don't want to share something, don't share it. If you do want to share it, let people interpret it the way they feel it necessary.

DX: Can we anticipate Jonas in Toronto next year?
BC: That's certainly the hope. He's got a buyout provision in his contract, terms that need to be worked out in regard to payment, that requires a three-party agreement between the club, Jonas and us. That needs to be resolved. And a letter of clearance is issued by FIBA, once that happens, he's free to sign a contract. So there are some steps involved in the process. It is fairly complicated. We're initiating that process now. Some of it had to do simply with the notion that he was about to embark on a tour of duty with the Lithuanian national team. Wanting to potentially avoid any kind of exposure for him, it would be nice if he could have his contract taken care of, or adequate insurance there to cover him if the contract isn't covered. So I know the agent and the player are seeking out those things now. I'm in touch with the club to see if there's a timeline that might work in his favour and their favour to conclude the process. That's something that's in process now. The goal is to have him in a uniform this year. It's doable, it's a matter of getting it done. You asked about summer league, that depends on what happens to the Lithuanian NT. They're going to Venezuela to qualify for the Olympics. If they qualify, he'll work with the NT to try to compete in the Olympics. If not, the anticipation would be he'd join us for Summer League but we'd have to raise those same issues, what are the insurance parameters to protect him and us in that regard? We need to make sure all those details are buttoned up. It's not a simple yes, no. The goal would be to have him in Summer League.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#740 » by Al_Oliver » Thu May 31, 2012 3:21 pm

awesome, thanks Rhett

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