SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[Winejk]

Right now, I think it's between LA and Philly.

If he's sincere that he's looking to win. He would consider Philly.

If winning is the only thing that mattered to D12, Chicago should be at the top of the list. And if D12 considers Philly a legitimate option, Indiana would be in the running too.

A Rose/Howard team up would be a nightmare for most teams, but also would be killer to the Heat. Putting the best PG (when he returns from injury) and best low post C on the same team would exploit the Heat's shortcomings big time. While Chicago would like to get rid of Boozer, a package featuring Noah and possibly Deng or Gibson would be reasonable. And it would likely trump anything Philly could give up (assuming Igoudala and Jrue are not in the package). Plus Chicago is a big market and a club with rich history, much like Philly.

Indiana is in a similar position to Philly - lots of good players, but no star. I'm sure whatever Philly could come up with in a trade scenario, Indiana could match. The key difference is Philly is a big market team and Indiana isn't.

But what is certain is nothing. D12 doesn't know what he wants. That's why he waffles all the time. He's really handled this situation about as poorly as possible. Philly does have a legitimate sales pitch, but ultimately trying to push the right buttons to convince D12 is tricky exercise because D12 himself doesn't even know what he wants.

[76ciology]

Chicago?

D-Rose is out almost the whole year next year. And I don't think they have the assets to beat what we can offer.

We're offering a young promising guard in ET or Jrue + Iguodala (All-star last season).

[Kova]

Chicago doesn't even seem to be interested in Dwight.. I think they might end up trading for Gasol this summer..
Indiana on the other hand.. Well, they could offer re-signed Hibbert, George, Collison, fillers and picks.. Not bad..

[76ciology]

^Pacers and Bulls

What does Bulls have to offer for Magic? Noah? Boozer? Deng? Contract wise, you can only trade one. And even if you are able to trade them to the Magic, will they be interested in those three guys who I think have reached their ceiling?

Pacers, Ok. Offer it to them then what? Magic accepts, but will D12 want to play with Granger, George Hill and David West? Not only that, we have a bigger market than the Pacers.

With us, Magic and D12 wins. Magic gets a pretty good package for a rebuilding team (either Jrue or ET). For D12, we have the cap to sign Deron after amnestying EB42 and he can play with either Jrue or ET.

Plus, we have probably one of the best coach in the league. Like what Joshua Harris said, DC is an asset in this organization.

[steveb21]

Here's a thought...but I'm no cap expert so I don't know how this will pan out.

Everyone talks about amniesting Brand but couldn't we use him in a trade for D12? He is a HUGE expiring contract...

[KrazySixersD]

^ I hope so.

With D12 signing the one year extension, it gives the Magic the leverage in trading him. Now, D12 can't just say where he wants to be traded. It's not that simple anymore.

I don't know. But IMO things are going our way in the D12 sweepstakes.

2012 lockout introduces the amnesty.
76ers gets media attention with almost making it to the ECF.
D12 signing the one year extension that gives the Magic FO the leverage.
Nets not getting a top 3 pick that consequently giving their 1st rounder to the Blazers.

Now, we are the biggest market team that is committed to winning and has the MOST asset that has to offer for Magic. And we can also sign Deron after amnestying EB42.

Nets got Brook lopez and who? Dallas got no assets.

Right now, I think it's between LA and Philly.

If he's sincere that he's looking to win. He would consider Philly.

guys, why?

why wont you realize hes not coming here and doesnt want too and winning isnt his main goal?

[51X3RF4N]

If we used Brand in the D12 trade, no Deron Williams to follow, which means no D12 extension.

We don't necessarily have to offer Iggy in the deal either though. Brand's money is replaced by Deron Williams. Hawes and Lou walk. Nocioni's money is gone. Let's say Turner, Thad, Vucevic are involved in the trade. If the only salary we take back is D12, we can make that work. And we also include 2 1st round picks probably.

Deron/2nd rounder
Jrue/Meeks
Iggy/S. Young
?/2nd rounder
D12/Battie

And there should still be enough salary room to sign a PF in free agency, granted not a star.

Why didn't I include Lavoy in my lineup you might ask? Well I think ORL wants a big man back in the trade, and since Lavoy established his rep in these playoffs, it's possible he could be the key to making the trade work. Already giving them Turner and draft picks, now adding Vucevic and Allen who are 2 young bigs with potential? Throw in Thad to balance out salaries a bit and give them a good bench role player.

ORL might like that better than what other teams are offering. Is it overpaying from Philly? Probably. But does getting D12 and Deron on a team with Iggy and Jrue make this team a legit contender for the CHIP? Yes. STAR power. Even after Rondo drops 44 and the 4 HoF'ers in Beantown have a 15 point lead, 2 of the top 15 players in the NBA win the game.

D12 and Deron bring immediate star power to the team. Along with being dominant at the 2 most important positions on the floor, and knocking Iggy down a peg. Jrue, Iggy, and D12 on the same team defensively?? Sick.

i know it ain't happening, but it's fun to get excited about the possibility.

[JordanMars]

Sure it seems to be a good fit for Dwight and Deron but do they want to play here??? We dont know, we dont know if the sixers will even pursue Deron or Dwight.

I for one think Iggy needs to be on the team for these guys to want to play for us. Turner really???? Turner was god awful to end the playoffs and he is a solid question mark. Sure i think he can improve but Deron and Dwight want to win now. They cant wait for ET to get his shooting down and all the other issues. on the other side i could see the want to play with Jrue. Jrue has tons of potential and i wouldnt give him up in a trade that easily.

[SixerFever215]

^^^^^ That was a perfect way to sum up the whole Dwight and Deron talk. Its safe any where they go they want to play with good players so u right about Iggy having to be part of the team. I still can't believe people believe in ET like why say about Iggy he it was he is. ET is a 6'6 kid with a bad shot that hasn't improved in 2 years plays OK defense good rebounder and has a solid handle. We need to trade him ASAP to get value for him.

[voodooguru]

Wow, only Sixers fans on this forum would pass up a bonafide superstar in order to hold onto a player that will never, ever reach that plateau.

Sure, and I bet there are some Knick fans that wished they never traded for Carmello. Sometimes that bonafide superstar isn't all that you wished for.

New York traded their team for two superstars who both play half court ball.

[voodooguru]

I for one think Iggy needs to be on the team for these guys to want to play for us.

For two.

[51X3RF4N]

Of course that's true. Why wouldn't they want to play with an All Star SF who can defend and run the court over a 3rd year bust of a #2 overall pick?

That doesn't mean they wouldn't settle for playing with Jrue and other role players, if Iggy needed to be traded to make it work.

Bottom line is D12 wants to play with Deron, and Deron wants to play with D12. if they can get on the same team and have a decent lineup around them, I'm not so sure it matters where they end up. They'll be happy campers getting paid huge money and playing on the same team. So why can't it be Philly? Everyone is arguing about why it has to be LA or Brooklyn or Chicago. Nobody is giving me a legit reason as to why it can't be Philly.

Competitive city, big market, money available, assets to trade. that's the combination for how to build a "Big 3". So why not Philly??

[Kobblehead]

Our biggest problem is that there's always something exciting about being part of a team in a new city in a huge market. The quicker people realize it's just the same ole Nets, the better for us.

[Mik317]

Don't do this to yourselves.

Setting yourselves up for the fall....hard.

Dwight's not walking though that door...he doesn't like it. It's too cold and stuff.

[Gsraider]

why wont you realize hes not coming here and doesnt want too and winning isnt his main goal?

Everyone will probably realize it right around the point that you realize that you don't need to post the same thing 100 times in every thread when this subject is brought up.

I know full well that Howard isn't a realistic option either, but unlike you, that doesn't mean I wouldn't roll the dice and try to grab him if it was even a slight possibility. Sure, he may never win anything of consequence, but most guys in the NBA won't either and I like my chances with him better than about 90-95% of the rest of the league.

[KrazySixersD]

i mean its fine to argue that you can win with the dude...

but what im saying is, first and foremost, hes NOT coming here because he DOESNT WANT TOO, yet people are making long threads on some pipe dream that has zero percent chance of happening

should we start a thread about trading for kevin durant? cuz that has the same likelihood of happening

[Gsraider]

should we start a thread about trading for kevin durant? cuz that has the same likelihood of happening

If Durant was either a FA or demanding a trade, you can sure as hell bet that a thread or three would already be started. Whenever someone is available, particularly when they are all-stars or potentially franchise type players, fans will always try to envision how they could end up on their team. For what it's worth, I happen to agree with you in that the likelihood of getting Howard is close to zero. The difference is that everyone else not abandoning that premise seems to really bother you a lot more than it does me.

[51X3RF4N]

Krazy,

I understand that AS OF THIS MOMENT IN TIME, Dwight does not want to come to Philly. However, you do realize that people change their minds every second of every day, right?

You can't say for certain that D12 will not be in Philly next year or the following year in Free Agency. You act like he's not on the market right now, we don't have the assets to trade for him, and he isn't a free agent next offseason. He may not want to play in Philly right now, but that doesn't mean he won't want to in the future, or that it won't be his choice and Philly will trade for him on the basis of courting him into signing an extension. Would it be a stupid move? Hell yeah! But might Philly still do it? YES.

[bedjaw]

As I see it Philly will be in the DH sweepstakes. We can offer a pretty competative package and playing in Philly is also a positive. Additonally since we have so much depth we don't have to completely gut the roster to acquire him. It will be up to DH if he will extend here and just how much the Magic like our pieces.

[Rnd Mnd of Rbnd]

Let's say Lou opts in for whatever reason... does that effect our cap space to the point that it would prevent us from adding Deron/D12?